Ireland vs Australia - Discussion Thread

[MMC]

First topic message reminder :

Ireland:
1. Cian Healy
2. Rory Best
3. Mike Ross
4. Donncha O'Callaghan
5. Paul O'Connell
6. Stephen Ferris
7. Sean O'Brien
8. Jamie Heaslip
9. Eoin Reddan
10. Jonathan Sexton
11. Keith Earls
12. Gordon D'Arcy
13. Brian O'Driscoll (c)
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Rob Kearney

Replacements:
16. Jerry Flannery
17. Tom Court
18. Donnacha Ryan
19. Denis Leamy
20. Conor Murray
21. Ronan O'Gara
22. Andrew Trimble


Australia:
15. Kurtley Beale (NSW Waratahs)
14. James O’Connor (Western Force)
13. Anthony Fainga’a (Queensland Reds)
12. Pat McCabe (Brumbies)
11. Adam Ashley-Cooper (Brumbies)
10. Quade Cooper (Queensland Reds)
9. Will Genia (Queensland Reds)
8. Radike Samo (Queensland Reds)
7. David Pocock (Western Force)
6. Rocky Elsom (Brumbies)
5. James Horwill (Queensland Reds, captain)
4. Dan Vickerman (NSW Waratahs)
3. Ben Alexander (Brumbies)
2. Stephen Moore (Brumbies)
1. Sekope Kepu (NSW Waratahs)

Reserves:
16. Tatafu Polota Nau (NSW Waratahs)
17. James Slipper (Queensland Reds)
18. Rob Simmons (Queensland Reds)
19. Ben McCalman (Western Force)
20. Scott Higginbotham (Queensland Reds)
21. Luke Burgess (NSW Waratahs)
22. Drew Mitchell (NSW Waratahs)

COME ON IRELAND!!

littlejohn's thread about how we can beat the Wallabies:

Would like to hear other people's views on what ireland need to do to have a chance of beating Australia this Saturday. Here are some of my naive thoughts on what needs to happen:

1. Ireland to play with same agression when they played England earlier this year. While ireland have not really performed since then, I'm quietly confident they'll be fired up for this game!

2. Steal some of Italy's tactics for the game. Italy did really well in the first half vs Oz by kicking very well timed up and unders (generally aimed at AAC), and they were very well organised in defence, which resulted in frustration creeping in for the Wallabies. If they had a decent 10 this might have been a lot closer!

3. Start with ROG - His tactical kicking and ability to vary it is in my opinion a better fit for this kind of game. We can always bring Sexton on later if we need to change tactics. I think he's also marginally better at kicking penalty and conversions.

4. Whereever Cooper is standing in defence run at him (ideally using O'Brien/Ferris) - Pretty obvious one this, although he does often stand deep covering full back off lineouts, etc.

5. Play Australia at their own game - Australia have been very good at putting pressure on rucks, but Ireland will need to do the same when Australia have the ball, slowing it down where possible to stop Genia getting into gear.

6. Leverage Bowe and Kearney's height - Cross field kicks (timed well) could reap rewards for us. Rog is excellent at this.

All in all I accept this will be a tall order, but Ireland play the underdog tag better than anyone! I'm praying it won't be yet another herioc defeat. Bring on Saturday!

[valjester]

How does a coach maintain the respect of his players when he makes these selections?

I used to think Kidney was a great man manager but now...

I really hope the players don't feel the way I do about this.

Don't get me wrong now. Come Saturday I'll be shouting my little Irish head off for each and every one of the lads in green but I would love to know how Kidney can keep the trust of his players when he does stuff like this.

The players selected are hardly going to be p**sed off at making the team.

[clivemcl]

Anyway, the real bit of info is that Trimble (a winger) hasn't beaten ONE defender in 4 warm-up games and Earls, playing a variety of positions has beaten defenders about 6 times in 3 games?

Sin e, what about consideration for how often the ball got passed out to the winger? also, out of interest, whats the stats for the rest of the backline beating defenders? Don't forget that the whole team struggled to score tries in the warm ups, not just Trimble.

Fitzgerald = 3
Earls = 6
O'Gara = 2
Sexton = 3
Bowe = 1

The rest were 0.

Even Leamy managed to beat a defender against the USA!

Even some of the rest of them were a bit better in attack, Trimble might have got selected ahead of Earls - but he is by far our best attacking player.

Hold the phone here! These stats are from the warm ups and the USA game? Hardly a fair comparison as Trimble only got 10minutes. USA are a lot different to the quality of our warm up teams. You have no idea how Trimble might have performed had he been picked to start.

[Sin é]

Sin

You conveniently use stats to back up your argument and then ignore ones that dont. You're making a rod for your own back. Thats the issue. You mentioned the other games briefly. You dont mention that Trimble didnt concede a penalty in his games, earls didnt manage any offloads or that in the games they played together Earls was turned over more than Trimble and tackles missed column has a big 0 beside Trimble.

The Earls call may turn out to be bang on (and i for one was only critical of him after the France home game where he was poor; he did grand tuilaigi aside, in the others) but cant you understand that if you use Stats to argue your point you need to present the full quota.

Only argument I've made is that Earls is our best attacking threat - and that is why he was selected. The rest haven't posed much of a threat up to now (hopefully Tommy Bowe will have got his mojo back).

Bear in mind Earls played most of his games in the centre which carries a heavier burden of responsibility when defending. In the England game Earls made 6 tackles, missing 1. Trimble made 2, missing 0. And Trimble got turned over 3 times to Earls 2 times.

[Tayto]

Darcy must be having the biggest laugh of all.
The worst performing player in the whole squad and he still gets selected.

Mind you me thinks his captain might have something to do with it.

[GunsGerms]

Darce better play well cause these probably will be his last games for Ireland.

[Mickado]

Earls played at center against England, Trimble played on the wing.
Ireland shipped the ball from side to side in that game, we were terrible. It stands to reason that a winger with no space will find it difficult to beat defenders and is more liable to be turned over by an effective drift defense. Moreso than a center.

Stats without context mean 0. Or 0% if you’d prefer.

[valjester]

Anyway, the real bit of info is that Trimble (a winger) hasn't beaten ONE defender in 4 warm-up games and Earls, playing a variety of positions has beaten defenders about 6 times in 3 games?

Sin e, what about consideration for how often the ball got passed out to the winger? also, out of interest, whats the stats for the rest of the backline beating defenders? Don't forget that the whole team struggled to score tries in the warm ups, not just Trimble.

Fitzgerald = 3
Earls = 6
O'Gara = 2
Sexton = 3
Bowe = 1

The rest were 0.

Even Leamy managed to beat a defender against the USA!

Even some of the rest of them were a bit better in attack, Trimble might have got selected ahead of Earls - but he is by far our best attacking player.

Hold the phone here! These stats are from the warm ups and the USA game? Hardly a fair comparison as Trimble only got 10minutes. USA are a lot different to the quality of our warm up teams. You have no idea how Trimble might have performed had he been picked to start.

Trimble played the scotland game when earls didn't. Not that it makes a difference as stats aren't always useful. Trimble has been in better form than earls and will be disappointed not to start but its not a terrible decision by kidney. Earls is a quality player and had a great finish to the season. The only thing I'm worried about is if bod is still unfit and earls is going to be asked to come into the centre to defend at times which will leave us exposed on the wings.

[Sin é]

Anyway, the real bit of info is that Trimble (a winger) hasn't beaten ONE defender in 4 warm-up games and Earls, playing a variety of positions has beaten defenders about 6 times in 3 games?

Sin e, what about consideration for how often the ball got passed out to the winger? also, out of interest, whats the stats for the rest of the backline beating defenders? Don't forget that the whole team struggled to score tries in the warm ups, not just Trimble.

Fitzgerald = 3
Earls = 6
O'Gara = 2
Sexton = 3
Bowe = 1

The rest were 0.

Even Leamy managed to beat a defender against the USA!

Even some of the rest of them were a bit better in attack, Trimble might have got selected ahead of Earls - but he is by far our best attacking player.

Hold the phone here! These stats are from the warm ups and the USA game? Hardly a fair comparison as Trimble only got 10minutes. USA are a lot different to the quality of our warm up teams. You have no idea how Trimble might have performed had he been picked to start.

OK - I'll take out the USA stats.

Fitzgerald = 3
Earls = 5
O'Gara = 2
Sexton = 0
Bowe = 0

Trimble is the only player to be involved in all 4 warm up games.

[rodders]

Only argument I've made is that Earls is our best attacking threat

Sin Earls is not our best attacking threat. He may make a fair few linebreaks when he gets space but they rarely amount to much because he takes the wrong option too often.

Sean O'Brien is our best attacking threat along with Sexton, Heaslip, Bowe and O'Driscoll.

[Sin é]

Earls played at center against England, Trimble played on the wing.
Ireland shipped the ball from side to side in that game, we were terrible. It stands to reason that a winger with no space will find it difficult to beat defenders and is more liable to be turned over by an effective drift defense. Moreso than a center.

Stats without context mean 0. Or 0% if you’d prefer.

Ok - when they both played wingers against France.

Earls = 1
Trimble = 0

[Sin é]

Only argument I've made is that Earls is our best attacking threat

Sin Earls is not our best attacking threat. He may make a fair few linebreaks when he gets space but they rarely amount to much because he takes the wrong option too often.

Sean O'Brien is our best attacking threat along with Sexton, Heaslip, Bowe and O'Driscoll.

So SOB is moving to the backs now. Jebus the lad will be worn out playing 6, 7 & 8 and now the backs.

Players like Earls keep the opposition honest and create space for others.

[Mickado]

Earls played at center against England, Trimble played on the wing.
Ireland shipped the ball from side to side in that game, we were terrible. It stands to reason that a winger with no space will find it difficult to beat defenders and is more liable to be turned over by an effective drift defense. Moreso than a center.

Stats without context mean 0. Or 0% if you’d prefer.

Ok - when they both played wingers against France.

Earls = 1
Trimble = 0

So Earls is 1 defender beaten better than Trimble. He must be our best attacking threat.

[Rava]

Only argument I've made is that Earls is our best attacking threat - and that is why he was selected.

How the Flip would you know why he was selected?

You are the only person on here who doesn't think Trimble was worthy of his place and continue to throw out useless stats to try to convince yourself you have a point.

The only thing you have done here and during the past few days is to show how much of a tw*t you are. I read the other day where you said you aren't biased towards Munster players! Catch yourself on man and go away so the rest of us can have a proper debate,

[rodders]

Players like Earls keep the opposition honest and create space for others.

So do players like Trimble.

[red_stag]

Rava, to be fair Sin é isn't a real Munster fan anyway. He isn't from Cork or Limerick. I think he overcompensates the whole Munster bias thing just to feel like he belongs to Munster more than he does.

[Mickado]

Just looking at the stats there Sin, Fitzgerald beat twice as many defenders as Earls and had 6 times less time on the pitch. He must be 12 times the player. Come back Luke, all is forgiven.

[Sin é]

Players like Earls keep the opposition honest and create space for others.

So do players like Trimble.

Fair enough. We can now agree that Earls can do both - beat a defender on a regular basis and keep the opposition honest.

[valjester]

Earls played at center against England, Trimble played on the wing.
Ireland shipped the ball from side to side in that game, we were terrible. It stands to reason that a winger with no space will find it difficult to beat defenders and is more liable to be turned over by an effective drift defense. Moreso than a center.

Stats without context mean 0. Or 0% if you’d prefer.

Ok - when they both played wingers against France.

Earls = 1
Trimble = 0

But that doesn't take into account the type of ball they got. Stats are useless without watching a game and if then they only serve to back up someone's opinion of what they want to see. You never see people using stats if they don't back the particular argument they are trying to push. Earls is probably the back most likely to make a break but he will only make that break if he is provided with decent ball, the same with sob, trimble etc.

Arguing over trimble or earls is pointless because whichever you favour, they are both quality players. The major issue is at 12, darcy has to play his best game in over a year or we will lose. He is going to have to defend well and just as importantly make sure that the ball doesn't die with him. The biggest problem I have with darcy is that he seems unwilling, or unable, to pass to those outside of him in space and prefers to cut back inside and take contact. If he continues to do this we will be thumped. The pack is going to decide the game. We did our pack to be at the top of their game and for our halfbacks to offer control. From 1-10 kidney has got the decisions right and if they perform we will have a great chance.


Edit; when debating with sin there is no need to run down earls as a player just because you feel trimble should be ahead of him. Earls is still a quality player, it is possible to argue for trimble over him with out having a go at his game.

[Kingshu]

Not surpised about D'arcy,

but have to ask what more does Trimble have to do to get into the starting XV, he was about the only player to come out of the warm ups with credit.

He has played better on the wing than Earls has (Earls has been ok on wing but not as good as Trimble)

I think Trimble has done everything that could be asked of him and more to start this game, and doesn't get to start whereas Earls while good, hasn't done everything asked of him, to get the wing spot, but still seams to get it.

it must hard for Trimble to take, asking what more he needs to do

[red_stag]

Do people see Trimble replacing Earls or Kearney in 2nd half? I'd hope that Kidney hasn't planned his subs already but rather uses them as game unfolds.



I think he gets worse criticism than he deserves but definitly use of the bench is a flaw.

[Sin é]

Rava, to be fair Sin é isn't a real Munster fan anyway. He isn't from Cork or Limerick. I think he overcompensates the whole Munster bias thing just to feel like he belongs to Munster more than he does.

Hang on a second, I don't think Munster Rugby invented Munster. I was born 20 miles from Limerick and went to college there!

Anyway, you think wrong.

[clivemcl]

Anyway, the real bit of info is that Trimble (a winger) hasn't beaten ONE defender in 4 warm-up games and Earls, playing a variety of positions has beaten defenders about 6 times in 3 games?

Sin e, what about consideration for how often the ball got passed out to the winger? also, out of interest, whats the stats for the rest of the backline beating defenders? Don't forget that the whole team struggled to score tries in the warm ups, not just Trimble.

Fitzgerald = 3
Earls = 6
O'Gara = 2
Sexton = 3
Bowe = 1

The rest were 0.

Even Leamy managed to beat a defender against the USA!

Even some of the rest of them were a bit better in attack, Trimble might have got selected ahead of Earls - but he is by far our best attacking player.

Hold the phone here! These stats are from the warm ups and the USA game? Hardly a fair comparison as Trimble only got 10minutes. USA are a lot different to the quality of our warm up teams. You have no idea how Trimble might have performed had he been picked to start.

OK - I'll take out the USA stats.

Fitzgerald = 3
Earls = 5
O'Gara = 2
Sexton = 0
Bowe = 0

Trimble is the only player to be involved in all 4 warm up games.

So we are agreed. Bowe needs dropped!

[Tayto]

There happens to be 6 counties in Munster fella.

What the F is a real Munster fan ?

[Rava]

Rava, to be fair Sin é isn't a real Munster fan anyway. He isn't from Cork or Limerick. I think he overcompensates the whole Munster bias thing just to feel like he belongs to Munster more than he does.

Quite right Stag. I have total respect for real Munstermen.

[red_stag]

There's 6 counties in Munster same as there are 20 teams in the World Cup.



All are equal and some are more equal than others - isn't that right Sin é.

[Standulstermen]

Sin

My point was only that you cant present stats unless you present the whole picture. Earls is great at beating the man and is dangerous (more dangerous is debatable but i wouldnt necessarily argue it). Line breaks are great but if you cant offload then is that not an issue?

Now Earls is definitely capable of offloading at times, but the stats dont show that. I know that because he is a good player

[valjester]

There happens to be 6 counties in Munster fella.

What the F is a real Munster fan ?

Don't you know munster rugby is for limerick working class only, leinster is posh d4 only and ulster is for belfast prods only. Anyone from a different region can't be counted as a real fan. [sarcasm/]

[clivemcl]

Since this is a thread for spouting pretty much anything you have a problem with, i'm going to get this off my chest...

I don't like Sextons face. I just dont like looking at him. Its the eyebrows or something. There.

[valjester]

Sin

My point was only that you cant present stats unless you present the whole picture. Earls is great at beating the man and is dangerous (more dangerous is debatable but i wouldnt necessarily argue it). Line breaks are great but if you cant offload then is that not an issue?

Now Earls is definitely capable of offloading at times, but the stats dont show that. I know that because he is a good player

Thankfully earls has reigned in his desire to offload at every occasion like he used to do when he broke in to the munster team, some of the offloads he used to throw were pure suicide. I'd have earls as a more dangerous player but not by much. There isn't much between them (if anything) and if we were going purely on form for the last six months it would be bowe missing out, but we know that he is too important.

clivemcl; probably the kerry genes in sexton to blame for that.

[red_stag]

If only we could combine passing abilities of middle class Protestants with the aggression and passion of a turnip farmer with the style of a chino wearing Blackrock brat - we'd have an epic team.



No connacht players allowed though!!!

[Standulstermen]

Indeed Val and Stag

A good weekends rugby coming up anyway. Looking forward to Ulster on Friday night and looking forward (with a large degree of trepidation) to Ireland on Sat.

[rodders]

If only we could combine passing abilities of middle class Protestants with the aggression and passion of a turnip farmer with the style of a chino wearing Blackrock brat - we'd have an epic team.

This is the problem with stereotypes. Trimble can't pass, DOC has no passion or aggression and Gordon D'arcy has no style.

[Sin é]

Only argument I've made is that Earls is our best attacking threat - and that is why he was selected.

How the Flip would you know why he was selected?

You are the only person on here who doesn't think Trimble was worthy of his place and continue to throw out useless stats to try to convince yourself you have a point.

The only thing you have done here and during the past few days is to show how much of a tw*t you are. I read the other day where you said you aren't biased towards Munster players! Catch yourself on man and go away so the rest of us can have a proper debate,

I beg your pardon, I should have stated quiet clear that it was IN MY OPINION that is why Earls has been selected.

I have said that Trimble is hard done by and deserved the other wing ahead of Tommy Bowe (who has since come good). Both Bowe & Earls are better finishers and that is why they are ahead of Trimble IN MY OPINION.

Now can I repeat again, I think Trimble is hard done by, but its incorrect to blame Earls for it and Trimble has played most of the warm up games on the No. 14 wing anyway. Why are you not giving Tommy Bowe stick for being selected instead?

[MrsP]

clivemcl,

You can't just "not like Sexton's face"!

You have to provide meaningless statistics which appear to support your assertion while ignoring the facts!

[rodders]

I have said that Trimble is hard done by and deserved the other wing ahead of Tommy Bowe (who has since come good). Both Bowe & Earls are better finishers and that is why they are ahead of Trimble IN MY OPINION.

Now can I repeat again, I think Trimble is hard done by, but its incorrect to blame Earls for it and Trimble has played most of the warm up games on the No. 14 wing anyway. Why are you not giving Tommy Bowe stick for being selected instead?

Sin if that was what you actually said then there would be no problem.

However you've spent the last umpteen posts rolling out stats to suggest that Trimble kicks possession away poorly, can't beat defenders and gets turned over in possession.

If hes that bad then how the flip can you think he is hard done by?

[Thomond]

Stag, is clearly taking the urine. The reason Ireland matches will never have great vocal support is because of the triipe on the last few pages.

[Sin é]

Sin

My point was only that you cant present stats unless you present the whole picture. Earls is great at beating the man and is dangerous (more dangerous is debatable but i wouldnt necessarily argue it). Line breaks are great but if you cant offload then is that not an issue?

Now Earls is definitely capable of offloading at times, but the stats dont show that. I know that because he is a good player

Well, I would argue that Earls is more dangerous, and I've produced the stats to show that he beats more defenders than anyone else (including Sean O'Brien).

As Val has pointed out, Earls was offloading and passing a lot more when he was deemed to be lacking in confidence and told to go for it more. He has been following all his coaches orders since then.

[Kingshu]

Reasons for Trimble ahead of Earls

1) would have prefered Earls on bench as it gives more options for coming on either at fullback wing or centre, in a one for one replacement, with Trimble on bench if he comes on for anyone but Earls it will result in a reshuffle of the back line and this is when defences are likley to make more mistakes

2) while stated that Earls is better attacker and Trimble more solid in defense (generalisations really), would it not be better to start with Trimble to keep the defensive solid and introduce the attacking player when defensives are tired to have a greater impact.

[Boyne]

clivemcl,

You can't just "not like Sexton's face"!

You have to provide meaningless statistics which appear to support your assertion while ignoring the facts!

[red_stag]

Stag, is clearly taking the urine. The reason Ireland matches will never have great vocal support is because of the triipe on the last few pages.

Exactly.

[Sin é]

I have said that Trimble is hard done by and deserved the other wing ahead of Tommy Bowe (who has since come good). Both Bowe & Earls are better finishers and that is why they are ahead of Trimble IN MY OPINION.

Now can I repeat again, I think Trimble is hard done by, but its incorrect to blame Earls for it and Trimble has played most of the warm up games on the No. 14 wing anyway. Why are you not giving Tommy Bowe stick for being selected instead?

Sin if that was what you actually said then there would be no problem.

However you've spent the last umpteen posts rolling out stats to suggest that Trimble kicks possession away poorly, can't beat defenders and gets turned over in possession.

If hes that bad then how the flip can you think he is hard done by?

I produced kicking stats to dispel your worry that Earls & Kearney kick away the ball too much. I'm not really worried about the amount of kicking they have been doing. You may want to worry about Trimble though.

I think he is hard done by because if BOD, D'Arcy & Bowe were able to beat a few defenders, he would have had a chance of getting selected ahead of Earls. Earls is streets ahead of everyone else in this department IN MY OPINION.

[Boyne]

Can nobody see it!!??

The reason why this guy keeps spouting out rubbish stats to support Earls ahead of Trimble is that, without Earls, there would be only 2 Munster players in the 15.

You could argue that POC is the only one who deserves his place!!!

I am 87.37636454% sure of that.

[littlejohn]

Anyone got stats on Reddan's kicking vs passing stats too? I don't think his up and under's have been great in recent times, but I could be wrong.

Not many aussies commenting on this topic - What are your views? Are you all assuming this is a fairly easy win?

[Sin é]

There's 6 counties in Munster same as there are 20 teams in the World Cup.

All are equal and some are more equal than others - isn't that right Sin é.

You seem to be the only one who gives a sh*t about that. Soon Limerick will be vying with Cork for the county with the largest chip on its shoulder.

[Mickado]

There's 6 counties in Munster same as there are 20 teams in the World Cup.

All are equal and some are more equal than others - isn't that right Sin é.

You seem to be the only one who gives a sh*t about that. Soon Limerick will be vying with Cork for the county with the largest chip on its shoulder.

Cork chip has grown 14% YTD, while Limerick is static at 8.43Macari's. Statistically speaking, there's little in it bar a lick of vinegar at this stage.

[red_stag]

Despite the fact I was only joking it looks as though you beleive it to some extent Sin E.



Rather than simply shrugging it off you have gone to attempts to prove your affiliation with Limerick - " I went to uni there, I live only 20 miles from it, I'm from Limerick I swear" (paraphrasd).


Tell you what we hereby consider you an honourary Munster fan. May you accept this with all the grace and honour of a true Munster Rugby fan. May the force be with you.

[rodders]

I produced kicking stats to dispel your worry that Earls & Kearney kick away the ball too much. I'm not really worried about the amount of kicking they have been doing. You may want to worry about Trimble though.

I think he is hard done by because if BOD, D'Arcy & Bowe were able to beat a few defenders, he would have had a chance of getting selected ahead of Earls. Earls is streets ahead of everyone else in this department IN MY OPINION.

I am not worried about Trimble kicking the ball away because a) He is not starting and b) he rarely kicks the ball away in an attacking position.

Now before you roll out more stats, do you understand the difference between and attacking and defensive position??

I have slight concerns over Kearney and Earls because often when they get into space their instinct is to hoof up an up and under (Kearney) or grubber kick in behind the defence to chase (Earls). This is great if it comes off but it does leave you open to a counter attack and Australia have the most dangerous back 3 in the game.

If you don't understand what I'm saying please let me know and I'll type this a bit slower for you!

[WillyGilly]

Right before a number of you start googling ways to find out sin e's ip address can I interject a point.

I thought the majority of us where in unanimous agreement than our back 3 should be Trimble-Earls-Bowe. That was my way of thinking at least. What in God's name has young Rob done to earn his place besides being a specialist fb. We won't beat Australlia by playing conservatively, we won't come close.

[clivemcl]

clivemcl,

You can't just "not like Sexton's face"!

You have to provide meaningless statistics which appear to support your assertion while ignoring the facts!

9 times out of ten when i see his face, I have to look away.
89% of rugby fans from Munster/Ulster/Connacht agree that his eyebrows are weird, whilst 99.9% of leinster fans state that his eyes are 'dreamy'.
In all his rugby appearances to date, there are no records of him ever having smiled.
Out of the age groups, nearly all of those in the 25-70 categories belived his eyes looked evil and that he probably has dark thoughts.
In contrast, the 13-17 year olds said he was the 'most totally awesome rad dude they knew of, and rated him higher than Dan Carter for 'yumminess'.



so... you decide...

[Sin é]

Despite the fact I was only joking it looks as though you beleive it to some extent Sin E.

Rather than simply shrugging it off you have gone to attempts to prove your affiliation with Limerick - " I went to uni there, I live only 20 miles from it, I'm from Limerick I swear" (paraphrasd).

Tell you what we hereby consider you an honourary Munster fan. May you accept this with all the grace and honour of a true Munster Rugby fan. May the force be with you.

Sorry, I should not have decended to your level. How anyone would even want to try and insult someone that way is really beyond my understanding. I'm happy you think that you are 'special' if you come from Cork or Limerick.

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