Mayweather vs. Ortiz... Whos to Blame?

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Ortiz - Headbutted, was too interested in kissing Mayweather, didn't guard himself at all time.

Mayweather - Immediately after they touch gloves throws a left hook-right straight.

Cortez - Did he call time in? Why didn't he see the two shots? Is he capable of refereeing anymore?

Quite an odd end to the fight, especially given the argument with Larry Merchant at the end. "HBO don't care about me...", "HBO should have fired you..." - "If I was 50 yeard younger I'd kick your a**"

Shame the fight ended like this!

This is the full transcript of the interview straight after the fight with Mayweather nursing his split lip:

Merchant: “The crowd, at least a good part of it, is in an uproar because they felt that you took shots at him unfairly after you were — went together in the ring, made up for the headbutt, and then you poked him. What’s your story?’

Mayweather: “First off, I wanna thank God for this victory, because without God all this wouldn’t be possible. I wanna thank my team. I got hit with a dirty shot, and, um, it’s protect yourself at all times. I hit him with a left hook-right hand, and that ended the bout.”

Merchant: “So you’re saying that even though it appeared that he didn’t — wasn’t protecting himself, and thought that was part of the ceremony you were going through, of apology, that you unfairly took advantage of it. What do say to those that say, ‘What’d you do there? You were winning the fight and in charge.’”

Mayweather: “I just wanna tell everybody that bought pay-per-view, that came out to Las Vegas, thank you. It was a hell of a fight.”

Merchant: “Floyd, you know you’re a promoter, but now we’re talking to you as a prizefighter. Let’s take a look at what happened at the end of the fight, and you describe it.”

Mayweather: “We touch — we touch gloves. We’re back to fighting. Hook. Right hand. And that’s all she wrote.”

Merchant: “So for you, it was just an automatic response, let’s get on with the fight.”

Mayweather: “It’s protect yourself at all times. He done something dirty. We’re not here to cry and complain about what he did dirty, or what I did dirty. I was victorious. If he wants a rematch, he can get a rematch.”

Merchant: “You were in charge of the fight. You were aggressive. And trying, and taking advantage of–”

Mayweather: “You know what I’m gonna do? ‘Cause you don’t never give me a fair shake, you know that? So I’m gonna let you go and talk to Victor Ortiz, alright? I’m through. Put somebody else up here and give me an interview.”

Merchant: “What are you talking about? What are you talking about?”

Mayweather: “You never give me a fair shake! HBO needs to fire you! You don’t know Poopie about boxing! You ain’t Poopie! You not Poopie!”

Merchant: “I wish I was 50 years younger and I’d kick your ass!”

Mayweather: “You won’t do Poopie!”

NOTE: This is a cleaned up "transcript" Mayweather actually used the word $h%t rather than it's euphemism "poopie".

It's disproportionate.

Merchant questions persistently, that's what he always does. If you want to see a ringside analyst lick a fighters balls send in Kellerman, but that's not what Merchant's there for.

“You were in charge of the fight. You were aggressive. And trying, and taking advantage of–”
There's nothing out of line in this. He gave Mayweather props, and Mayweather did take advantage.

Mayweather responds by bomboarding him with swear words telling him he ain't sh!t and that he should be fired. No excuse, just an individual devoid of class.

supremeboxingskills wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

md_fan wrote:Aside from the controversial ending....

Does anyone think maybe that Ortiz had a chance of taking Floyd out if not for the headbutt? He was 14lbs heavier than Floyd on the night and to me looked fast and very dangerous. I understand that Floyd is a master in defence skills but it looked like he was under a LOT of pressure and no certainty to win over the distance.

Sure, why not?

ortiz doesnt have complete knockout power.plus floyd wasnt under pressure.when floyd was up against the ropes floyd smiled at ortiz just before he butted floyd.
floyd was dominating 73 to 26 shots landed speaks for itself.
we've seen floyd up against the ropes in so many of his fights,so its nothing new,but floyd is great at avoiding shots up against the ropes.
ortiz had 0 chance.

I don't believe for a second that Ortiz had zero chance, Floyd can smile all he wants - what does that prove? Fact is he looked like he was in trouble there before the headbutt and Ortiz seems extremely capable of knocking someone out. I would have loved to fight to go on much longer (partly because I had told the wife I was leaving the pub when it was over).

md_fan wrote:

supremeboxingskills wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

md_fan wrote:Aside from the controversial ending....

Does anyone think maybe that Ortiz had a chance of taking Floyd out if not for the headbutt? He was 14lbs heavier than Floyd on the night and to me looked fast and very dangerous. I understand that Floyd is a master in defence skills but it looked like he was under a LOT of pressure and no certainty to win over the distance.

Sure, why not?

ortiz doesnt have complete knockout power.plus floyd wasnt under pressure.when floyd was up against the ropes floyd smiled at ortiz just before he butted floyd.
floyd was dominating 73 to 26 shots landed speaks for itself.
we've seen floyd up against the ropes in so many of his fights,so its nothing new,but floyd is great at avoiding shots up against the ropes.
ortiz had 0 chance.

I don't believe for a second that Ortiz had zero chance, Floyd can smile all he wants - what does that prove? Fact is he looked like he was in trouble there before the headbutt and Ortiz seems extremely capable of knocking someone out. I would have loved to fight to go on much longer (partly because I had told the wife I was leaving the pub when it was over).

What time do pubs stay open around by you? You must have called your wife at around 5am??

Anyways, if you read my earlier reply... Ortiz was dominated in the earlier rounds, Floyd was teeing off on him. Ortiz pretty much had no chance. He had one bit of success in the entire fight and they was jury before the headbutt and even then he wasn't landing clean.

He needed to be patient to be successful, he wasn't patient.

Hearns was smiling when Hagler knocked him out.

On a slightly different topic; has anyone else been wondering why Mayweather fought Ortiz for the belt but was unwilling to pay the sanctioning fees for the Mosley fight? Is there a massive difference in the fees between the WBC and the WBA?

That's a good point Balti. Maybe either:

1. the WBA didn't rank him so didn't allow the sanction for it.
2. Manny was WBA Number 1 and Floyd didn't want to have a mandatory? Hah
3. Floyd was only fighting for the money and didn't want to pay?

I honestly can't think of anything else.

School Project wrote:I honestly can't think of anything else.

He loves the WBC, it's all he goes for.

School Project wrote:That's a good point Balti. Maybe either:

1. the WBA didn't rank him so didn't allow the sanction for it.
2. Manny was WBA Number 1 and Floyd didn't want to have a mandatory? Hah
3. Floyd was only fighting for the money and didn't want to pay?

I honestly can't think of anything else.

See the way I would have figured it in response to your points is that:



1. Mention had been made of Mayweather being unwilling to pay the fees, although if that hadn't been the case then surely the WBA wouldn't have stripped Mosley and deny two of the (then) top welters fighting for their belt?

2. This one wouldn't surprise me, although if #1 was true and the WBA weren't willing to rank Mayweather, then wouldn't they be just as unlikely to rank Pacquiao, as he's the WBO holder?

3. If that was the case what's changed between then and the Ortiz fight?



I know it's a trifling matter, more so given the nature of the ending of Saturday's fight, but I'm really curious about it.

Scottrf wrote:

School Project wrote:I honestly can't think of anything else.

He loves the WBC, it's all he goes for.

Because it's the same colour as money..?

Maybe he was after the cash for taxes only, a few rumours of tax evasion floated around at the time?

It's a good point you made though mate, but as Scott pointed out, he's only interested in the WBC strap.

What time do pubs stay open around by you? You must have called your wife at around 5am??

It was 9pm since I am living in California. The pub was bouncing.