'If Lydiates out' - Who would be your replacement?

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Fairly straight forward, if its worse case scenario who would you bring out?

Tuperic is IMO an out an out 7 so I can't see him getting the nod unless, heaven forbid Warburton gets injured.

Lydiate is a 6 that can cover 7 so I would suspect if they have to call someone up it would be a more versatile type.

I'd say it has to be Turnbull who was very good last season and looked comfortable in the WU's, and as an added bonus can cover all back 5 positions. Jon T hasn't looked good for Wales for a Long time, has only looked better at the end of the season for Ospreys, and I think it's a huge risk to call him up and expect him to re-discover int form of 3 seasons ago on the back of 3/4 Ospreys games this season.

Powell should never have been there, but he is and we're stuck with him.
I like Tupric but he's only a 7, and as has been said is a little bit smaller.
McCusker is an option but I think Turnbull is better and more consistent and covers more positions.

Delve would be very good but we all know Gats won't call him up, and (according to other posters) he's injured.

If I'm not mistaken if we call someone up instead of Lydiate for the next 2 games and they either start or are on the bench then that means Lydiate is sent home and can not be recalled no matter what. We just need to pray Ryan is ok, and stays fit until Lydiate comes back (and pray he comes back soon).

Without Lydiate someone who covers 7 is definitely needed. Trouble is that everyone available hasnt got the experience there so a tough call. Turnball will probably get the call as he has a bit more experience and versitility.

The line up for the Namibia game will be interesting, considering RJ isnt even training with the squad its likely he wont be playing any part and considering its the easiest game then dont risk it.

Give Bradley the start with AWJ on the bench as emergency cover for the back row, Toby to 7 if Warbs needs to come off. Full front row replacements as no other choice. Hooks out so Jones and Priestland both get in the squad. Halfpenny to start at the back giving enough time to prove whether it will work or not.

Hopefully by the next game another backrower is available whether through recovery or replacement. Lack of open side is the biggest concern.

Thankfully we've been through the biggest challenges so it gives the injured time to recover before the QF (assuming the next results are positive). There's enough talent there to deal with Namibia and by Fiji some more much needed back row players will be there, the 3 fit players should easily be enough to deal with the next 2 teams but the knock out phases needs Lydiate back to give the best chance at the breakdown and to get over the gain line.

All this talk of delve or Jt to start is rubbish. Ryan jones will play 6. Powell on the bench.


As for Danny being one of our most important players - totaly agree! Warburton looks great but it's Lydiates hard work that's given warbs the licence to do what ge does best. Both are great players and along with Toby we have a great balence to the backrow.
Tupric, turnbull and evens will hopfuly all push threw to

scoi wrote:Without Lydiate someone who covers 7 is definitely needed. Trouble is that everyone available hasnt got the experience there so a tough call. Turnball will probably get the call as he has a bit more experience and versitility.

The line up for the Namibia game will be interesting, considering RJ isnt even training with the squad its likely he wont be playing any part and considering its the easiest game then dont risk it.

Give Bradley the start with AWJ on the bench as emergency cover for the back row, Toby to 7 if Warbs needs to come off. Full front row replacements as no other choice. Hooks out so Jones and Priestland both get in the squad. Halfpenny to start at the back giving enough time to prove whether it will work or not.

Hopefully by the next game another backrower is available whether through recovery or replacement. Lack of open side is the biggest concern.

Thankfully we've been through the biggest challenges so it gives the injured time to recover before the QF (assuming the next results are positive). There's enough talent there to deal with Namibia and by Fiji some more much needed back row players will be there, the 3 fit players should easily be enough to deal with the next 2 teams but the knock out phases needs Lydiate back to give the best chance at the breakdown and to get over the gain line.

Ryan Jones IS back in training with the squad as far as I know

Thank god for that - I was getting worried when considering how threadbare the backrow is.

It will be an interesting selection as Halfpenny has to play and Byrne has to be on the bench -
Roberts needs a rest in some form, so Williams and JD2 are the only options
Jones and Priestland have to be in the squad because of Hooks injury

Back row more than likely Warbs, Toby, Powell (unless Ryan is fit), and two of Davies, Chateris, AWJ have to play, and then Jenks has to play and I'd play A Jones to build up his fitness.

So thats pretty much the team decided besides wingers and SH.

Wyn Jones could also play 6 - according to coaching team anyway.

munkian wrote:Wyn Jones could also play 6 - according to coaching team anyway.

When was the last time AWJ played 6 at any level? Do you know Munkian? I cant think of seeing him there bar a certain game/sore spot that sticks in all of our memories.......

Dont shoot the messenger

Alun Wyn Jones can move back to the back-row [from lock], as can I'm sure Bradley Davies," he said. "So we have got cover, we're not down to the bare bones yet."

munkian wrote:Dont shoot the messenger

Alun Wyn Jones can move back to the back-row [from lock], as can I'm sure Bradley Davies," he said. "So we have got cover, we're not down to the bare bones yet."

Sorry Munkian, it was an honest question I promise, I genuinely cant think of the last time (bar the game that shall not be mentioned) I have seen AWJ at 6?

Can anyone remember him playing 6 other than... then?

He has previously, He is better at the break down than Bradley and offers more in defence.

Can't think we he last played in back row in an International game though

munkian wrote:Wyn Jones could also play 6 - according to coaching team anyway.

Yeah so can Bradley Davies according to McBryde - GOD HELP US if that ever happened.

Jt has played 7 before but wouldn't like it to happen again, that said I still think he will called up if need be.

We definately need R Jones to play soon but reports say he trained alone again so might not be ready for Namibia.

I'd be happier to have AWJ covering 6 against Namibia than Ryan rushing back and getting injured for rest of tournament.

Im pretty sure Toby has covered flanker a few times...

Anyone else think gatland is regretting taking brew instead of an extra back rower? Brew's a great regional, but I wouldn't have taken him.as he can't cover any other position. Martyn Williams or turnbull should have gone for me. Been impressed with turnbull and thought he was unlucky. It seems even more strange considering there was talk that Ryan jones might not have even recovered. If warburton picks up a knock, who will cover him? We won't get away with playing players out of position in the later stages.

I'd say Martyn Thomas from the Dragon's squad but then I really don't want to lose anymore players

I'd be surpised if if Brew didn't start agasint Namibia to rest Shane or North.

North def needs a rest

Comfort wrote:

munkian wrote:Wyn Jones could also play 6 - according to coaching team anyway.

When was the last time AWJ played 6 at any level? Do you know Munkian? I cant think of seeing him there bar a certain game/sore spot that sticks in all of our memories.......

To the best of my knowledge, the last time Alun Wyn Jones played blindside was in the warm-up game at Twickenham in 2007 when we got absolutely smashed.

Man of Gwent - I think if Gats had taken Turnbull instead of Powell then it wouldn't have mattered that Brew can only play 1 position. But it is a worry, especially considering that Ryan Jones is not only our only cover for 6, but for 8, 4, and 5 as well (if one of our locks gets injured).

I do hope Brew starts and does well against Nambia as I think he's physicality and work rate will come in handy against Fiji

I do hope Brew starts and does well against Nambia as I think he's physicality and work rate will come in handy against Fiji

I think most of us from dave were pleased Brew got the nod but also surprised that he got it.

I was expecting a 17-13 split with an extra back rower in place of Brew.

Now he's there I hope he gets start against Namibia

bedfordwelsh wrote:I think most of us from dave were pleased Brew got the nod but also surprised that he got it.

I was expecting a 17-13 split with an extra back rower in place of Brew.

Now he's there I hope he gets start against Namibia

Hes there, so we need to use him, same with Byrne, otherwise what was the point in taking them and the 16/14 split?!

I'm glad that there's a more even representation between the regions (though I suppose Blues are suffering), but it's taken long enough for Lydiate, Charteris (whose been in and out of the squad) and Toby to be chosen, and Tovey (and Smith) still haven't been.

But lets just hope he gets a chance and does well - as then we'll have some real depth in the back 3 (halfpenny, North, Stoddart, Byrne, Brew, Priestland, and even Tovey)

Afternoon campers

Just a quicky looks like Turnbull has picked up a shoulder injury
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/15007860.stm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

I think Ryand Jones will start at 6 with Powell at 8 against Namibia.

I was informed by a few Scarlets that McCusker is having a good start to the season so could be the better replacement option for Lydiate as he covers all the backline.

delve and jones are injured according to the bbc report- delve has had a knee op and R jones has injured his knee again,

on that basis would it be better to bring someone in for R jones (as long as lydiate is back for 1/4s) as i would rather have a fit lydiate than a fit RJ

Thats not good news Welshy and FHF - Turnbull was my choice for replacement and I was looking forward to having RJ as good cover for 6, 8 and lock. Without him we'll be heavily reliant on Powell even if we call someone else up, and it also increases the likelihood that we'll call up JT and suddenly our backline of Warbs, Toby and Lydiate is turned into Toby, Powell and JT - in my opinion that turns it from a strength into a liability as you've got nobody doing the dog work at the breakdown and disrupting play.

Smirnoff,

We could most probably get away with that for the Namibia and Fiji game but if we get to the quarters then we have to have Faletau and Warburton with whoever is deemed best of the rest if Lydiate is out.

According to Wales on line today R Jones took full part in training so I don't know the knee injury referenced above. The problem with the new papers they are old news.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/rugbynation/rugby-news/2011/09/21/in-pictures-wales-in-training-as-they-prepare-to-face-namibia-at-rugby-world-cup-91466-29461330/

glamorganalun wrote:According to Wales on line today R Jones took full part in training so I don't know the knee injury referenced above. The problem with the new papers they are old news.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/rugbynation/rugby-news/2011/09/21/in-pictures-wales-in-training-as-they-prepare-to-face-namibia-at-rugby-world-cup-91466-29461330/

bbc- said warburton sat out with a sore knee but will be fine for nambia, lydiate icing his ankle every 2 hours and r jones was training on his own today in what seems to be a reccurence of his injury (meant calf)

Why haven't we taken cover at openside. It's a specialised position and if warburton has a knock, we should have a replacement for him. He should be able to sit out the Namibia game.

Lydiate's out for a minimum of 3 weeks - that's what I heard.

That's the rest of the tournament isn't it?





Uh-oh

PJHolybloke wrote:Lydiate's out for a minimum of 3 weeks - that's what I heard.

That's the rest of the tournament isn't it?





Uh-oh

Steady................else the will get you

I could never understand taking Powell when you could have takend Jon T, Josh T, MWilliams, J Tupric (sp) or even Delve and they would have covered more positions including open side and done a better job than Powell (maybe Tupric & Williams wouldn't have covered more positions but you have Toby, Lydiate and Jones to cover 6)

I would have taken Gavin Thomas before Powell, even Lewis Evans who's looking a good prospect - I may have chosen my Granny before Powell but she struggles in the contact area, same as Powell and she goes to ground early same as Ryan

True G Thomas would have been a much better option than Powell, I'd have even chosen Jon Edwards ahead of Powell

Apparently R Jones is fit to face Nambia which is really good news http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/14783195.stm

andy powells minder wrote:

PJHolybloke wrote:Lydiate's out for a minimum of 3 weeks - that's what I heard.

That's the rest of the tournament isn't it?





Uh-oh

Steady................else the will get you

I wish to negotiate :waveswhiteflag:

There is no room for negotiation die you xastard

PJHolybloke wrote:

Great expression

Ligament damage is usually 4-6 weeks, is it not? I think, sadly, you could tell from Lydiate's reaction on the bench that it was going to be a bad one. Really hope a miracle occurs and he's back for the potential QF.

It can be from 2-6 weeks, depending on which ligaments were sprained.
Ligaments are tissues that hold bones together. They help you to be able to walk, twist and turn. Treatment and recovery time depend on the type and cause of the sprain.

Treatment includes controlling your pain and swelling first, then beginning rehabilitation . Rehabilitation includes physical therapy exercises. These may be done over a number of weeks A treatment plan may include one or more of the following:

-R.I.C.E.: R.I.C.E. is a four-step treatment plan that you can follow. R est, I ce, C ompress, and E levate to decrease swelling and help it heal:

* Rest. The most important part of treating an injury is rest. You may be told to keep weight off your knee (do not use it to walk). Rest helps decrease swelling and allows the injury to heal. When the pain decreases, begin normal, slow movements.

* Ice. Ice causes blood vessels to constrict (get small) which helps decrease inflammation (swelling, pain, and redness).

* Compress. You may need to wear an elastic bandage. This helps keep your injured area moving too much while it heals. You can loosen or tighten the elastic bandage to make it comfortable. It should be tight enough for you to feel support.

* Elevate. Lie down and elevate (raise) your knee to a level above your heart to help decrease the swelling.

Just do what you have to do Dan - Anthing to stop the Buggy Boy running on the field

I remember playing 6 against Rumney 4th's quite a few years ago. Didn't do a bad job either. If they're struggling they can always give me a shout.

AWJ started as a 6 and Toby can cover 7. Though to be honest in the quarter finals i would want them in their specialist positions.

Martyn Williams during the half time interview said he had been speaking with a few of the lads in the Welsh squad and they reckon Lydiate will be ok.
At least I think that's what he said.

manofgwent wrote:Why haven't we taken cover at openside. It's a specialised position and if warburton has a knock, we should have a replacement for him. He should be able to sit out the Namibia game.

Someone average like Nugget perhaps. i would like to see Warbs and AWJ on the bench v Namibia, play TF (7), AP (6) and RJ (8). AWJ can cover 4, 5 and 6. Warbs only then has to come on if there is an injury to TF.

I was watching Scrum V earlier and Nugget was on and he was asked the same question, who should they call up for Lydiate and he said,

Talking to some of the boys who are out there hes going to be alright anyway"

Hopefully thats true and Lyds will be back to help us against the irish in the quarters as long as we dont blow it.

I think that might be a misquote, and talking about him being alright was referencing his mental state. Nothing to do with the injury; I think it's still very 50/50 atm, or at the very least, they know he's likely to be out, but want to give him time to see if the Pacific air can heal him as well as it did Drew Mitchell/not give anything away to potential opponents.

Ryan 8, Powell 6 and Faletau 7. Sorted. Give Faletau a rest around the hour mark when the game is won, maybe Ryan to 7, AWJ 6 (proper makeshift), and just keep playing what should be by then a game with little structure and running rugby.

Either way Wales be foolish to play him until the QF now. If RJ can stay fit then we have cover with AWJ there to do a job when required. he still has to Oct 7 to rest assuming we are RU in the group

Gatland said.
In terms of Dan Lydiate, he's recovering really well at the moment. He's up back on his feet, doing a bit of jogging around so hopefully he's not too far away," Gatland said.

That's good news.

Cymroglan wrote:Gatland said.
In terms of Dan Lydiate, he's recovering really well at the moment. He's up back on his feet, doing a bit of jogging around so hopefully he's not too far away," Gatland said.

That's good news.

Amazing news. I am delighted with this.