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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 14 Oct 2011, 2:08 pm

Hard to call who the standouts have been. AB's are the only side not to have lost a game yet, although they've not had the sternest tests so far in truth.

Nonu
Kaino
Roberts

Would be my top 3, although not necessarily in that order. I do not include Warburton as although he has played very well, I feel he has been effective as part of an excellent back row unit as opposed to individually brilliant.

Looking forward to the weekends games.
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Post by stnick88 Fri 14 Oct 2011, 2:25 pm

Good shout with Roberts

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Post by Driver Fri 14 Oct 2011, 3:08 pm

Kaino
North
Clerc
AAC

From the remaining teams
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Post by stnick88 Fri 14 Oct 2011, 3:12 pm

North hasnt impressed me really.
Clerc has been very good. AWJ has impressed too, never really rated him.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 14 Oct 2011, 4:51 pm

How do people rate Tommy Bowe at OC?

I know he plays there a fair bit for Ospreys but I don't think everyone watches Pro do they?!?!

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 14 Oct 2011, 4:58 pm

He can do a job there, but he's a better winger. Doesn't fit naturally at centre for me.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 14 Oct 2011, 9:46 pm

Warburton and Nonu probably the standouts for me.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 14 Oct 2011, 10:29 pm

Australia: Kurtley Beale/Adam Ashley-Cooper; James O'Connor, Adam Ashley-Cooper/Anthony Fainga'a, Pat McCabe, Digby Ioane; Quade Cooper, Will Genia; Sekope Kepu, Stephen Moore, Ben Alexander, Dan Vickerman, James Horwill (capt), Rocky Elsom, David Pocock, Radike Samo.

Replacements: Tatafu Polota Nau, James Slipper, Rob Simmons, Ben McCalman, Luke Burgess, Berrick Barnes, Anthony Fainga'a/Rob Horne

New Zealand: Israel Dagg, Cory Jane, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Richard Kahui, Aaron Cruden, Piri Weepu, Tony Woodcock, Keven Mealamu, Owen Franks, Sam Whitelock, Brad Thorn, Jerome Kaino, Richie McCaw (captain), Kieran Read.

Replacements: Andrew Hore, Ben Franks, Ali Williams, Victor Vito, Andy Ellis, Stephen Donald, Sonny Bill Williams.

France: Maxime Medard; Vincent Clerc, Aurelien Rougerie, Maxime Mermoz, Alexis Palisson; Morgan Parra, Dimitri Yachvili; Jean-Baptiste Poux, William Servat, Nicolas Mas, Pascal Pape, Lionel Nallet, Thierry Dusautoir (capt), Julien Bonnaire, Imanol Harinordoquy.

Replacements: Dimitri Szarzewski, Fabien Barcella, Julien Pierre, Fulgence Ouedraogo, Francois Trinh-Duc, Jean-Marc Doussain, Cedric Heymans.

Wales: Leigh Halfpenny; George North, Jonathan Davies, Jamie Roberts, Shane Williams; James Hook, Mike Phillips; Gethin Jenkins, Huw Bennett, Adam Jones, Luke Charteris, Alun Wyn Jones, Dan Lydiate, Sam Warburton (capt), Toby Faletau.

Replacements: Lloyd Burns, Paul James, Bradley Davies, Ryan Jones, Lloyd Williams, Stephen Jones, Scott Williams.

Who do we reckon has the strongest side out of those 4?

Its Oz for me.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 14 Oct 2011, 10:34 pm

Front row - France
2nd - NZ
Backrow - NZ
Halfbacks - Aus (Cooper needs a big game)
Centres - NZ
Back 3 - Aus

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 14 Oct 2011, 10:35 pm

NZ for me

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 14 Oct 2011, 10:36 pm

Agree with them but prefer the Oz second row. Vickerman is probably the best 'rucker' I've ever seen. He just smashes everyone

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 14 Oct 2011, 10:48 pm

I think the NZ engine has been best in comp so far, Thorn has been normal self and Whitelock has been excellent in set piece. Most successful lineout in WC. Horwill was great against SA though.

I look at that OZ pack and would prefer every NZ player except maybe Mealamu/Moore which is a toughie.

Aus strengths very much in backline, they've played a little within themselves v better sides though, almost like they'd rather not lose first.

Cooper has played well below par all world cup when you look at his form coming in. Not sure if he's not suiting their game plan or conditions?!?!?!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 14 Oct 2011, 11:07 pm

NZ pack is probably better but not by much. There was nothing in the scrum between the sides in the TN and they will both win their own lineouts.

McCaw will need to be at his best. Pressure on his shoulder is immense particularly after struggling with an injury this week.

I suspect a lot will depend on the start of the game. Oz need to fly out of the blocks and unsettle NZ early. I'd be looking for Samo to run hard at Cruden as often as possible early on.

Very noticeable that each side in the semi's has a brilliant back row.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:13 am

Jones a big loss, could be a match decider. Wales defence so fast, Phillips playing well

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:22 am

holy crap, what an absolutely awful, awful decision. that is the worst decision i think I have ever seen.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:25 am

Deserved red for Warburton, awful tackle. You can't take somebody up and then let go. Such a shame as spoiled the game.

"Sweet tackle" what's he on?!?!

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:25 am

Why was that a red card - Alain Rolland shouldnt be allowed to referee games after that. He's ruined the game, completely ruined it. What an absolute w anker.

COmplete and utter p rick that man.

If you hadn't guessed I think Rolland is a complete and utter f uc kwit - worst decision I have ever seen.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:26 am

Bit harsh that. Yellow card everyday of the week but not a red!

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:29 am

that was never a red card Pooly, Rolland ruined the game - it wasn't a spear, he went low and Clerc went up.

cant stand the bloody French - always get away with decisions, they are offside at every ruck and Rolland is a c ock

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:29 am

Lol...Chris!

I thought it was a fair call myself, awful tackle. Took him past 90' then lost control. Would have been a citing for final for def.

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:29 am

(was a yellow though)

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:31 am

Pooly I think its what the Tongan's call a normal tackle...

I really can't stand Rolland, I think he's the worst ref in the world and he ruins games, he lets France live offside and Warburton should have given him a slap.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:33 am

Without doubt spoiled the game but was a nasty tackle. Seem to remember Fritz getting sent off against Wasps for similar.


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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:34 am

I disagree Pooly. If Wales win I think he would have it recinded. I've seen 2 people who reckon it's a red so far.

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Post by Guest Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:39 am

Yellow/red stupid by warburton either way. Rolland usually harsh to England. Happy days allez les blues

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:42 am

I'm just recalling similar Steve. As soon as you take past 90' you're in trouble.

To me Warburton took him up and dropped him, landed on his neck and could have been nasty.

Stupid by Warburton, perhaps showing inexperience and wanting to put his mark down. I think it's a very fair call, you can't do those types of tackles and expect not get it in the neck.

Plenty in main boards think it's red, only ref opinion counts though I guess. Shows it was a close call if we disagree.

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:46 am

I only 'support' wales because my missus is Welsh - it used to be a case of not really knowing who I disliked more the French or the Welsh, happy memories...

Rolland is a k nob, complete and utter t wat - he normally screws England over every time he officiates (against) us. He should be suspended as he is borderline negligent. Welsh would have won this game by 10points.

Thing that gets to me is that the French are offside continuously, they infringe at the breakdown at every breakdown, and Rolland (the pr ick) lets them get away with it.

I dread to think how worked up I'd be if this was an England game - think a full blown hissy fit would be in full swing right now.


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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:48 am

Clerc being so light didn't help. As soon as Warburton lifted him he flew up like a jet.

NZ citing didn't ban Umaga and Mealamu after they drove BOD into the ground. In the end Warburton had no choice but to drop him otherwise he'd have really hurt Clerc.

Want Wales to win now. Hook looking uncomfortable at 10

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:48 am

Can't see how it was a red - if you watch the replays Warburton went low and made a very good initial hit, he then slipped and combined with Clerc's momentum he went up in the air.

He didn't drive him down, drop him on his head and couldnt really have done much more to avoid the situation.

Be interesting what the ITV panel say.

I reckon one of them will call Rolland a w anker

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:55 am

all three pundits say it was an awful decision. Have a feeling that Piennar might go looking for him after the game...

i really hope the Welsh beat the French (if not its a long weekend with the inlaws...)

worst refereeing decision I've seen,

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Oct 2011, 9:58 am

"Empathy for the game"
"Warburton has had a clean comp"
"WC semi final"

All agree a dangerous tackle but seem to be bringing up points nothing to do with the fact it was a dump tackle and you're supposed to bring the man down. It looks awful at real speed and can see why he's off, it was a yellow and a half imo watching replays but can easily see red.

Prefer a French win anyway tbh, would have liked to have seen them do it with 15v15 but I imagine they'll take control now. Wales still playing well though.

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 15 Oct 2011, 10:02 am

Wasnt a dump tackle at all - he went up because Warburton made an awesome tackle, slipped when cotnact made, Clerc went up and went down safely. Wasnt driven into the ground, Warburton couldnt have avoided that.

Rolland is the worst ref going, make Bryce Lawrence look talented...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Oct 2011, 10:04 am

Gotta agree to disagree, looked a half dump then drop to me

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Oct 2011, 10:33 am

France are really trying to lose this

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 15 Oct 2011, 11:18 am

Really don't know what to say......I think it should have been a yellow but see the loss of Jones as a bigger blow.

Absolutely gutted.........pointless going into things about it etc but let's put it this way WALES CAN FINISH 3RD!!!!
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Post by dammit_chris Sat 15 Oct 2011, 11:51 am

Just as long as the French dont win it - worst team to make a WC final...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Oct 2011, 11:54 am

Worse than England '07?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Oct 2011, 11:57 am

Might have Brussow available for the right deal

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Post by Driver Sat 15 Oct 2011, 12:01 pm

I might have the right deal lol
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 15 Oct 2011, 5:06 pm

Budgets are up to date thumbsup

Now its finger chewing time waiting to see who gets injured this week!!

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:22 am

Warburton: 3 week ban, back available 7th November
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:34 am

I wouldn't have played him untill around then anyway.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 16 Oct 2011, 9:48 am

Great game. Dagg, Read, McCaw superb for NZ......Cooper is having a mare so far.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:01 am

a dropped ball and 2 bad kicks equals a mare??

at least he is getting involved and trying things unlike the rest of the Oz side.

I wouldn't have said McCaw has been superb at all. Hardly been involved. Jane though has been excellent.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:07 am

referee having an awful game

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:10 am

McCaw has been everywhere, perhaps because I'm watching him.

His first kick to touch, 3 out on the full, missed tackles, dropped balls......he's making Slade look like Merthans!

C'mon Steve, Cooper is having a bit of stinker, he's pretty undefendable at the minute.

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Post by Guest Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:10 am

Cooper is having a mare. Jane has been excellent. Mccaw anonymous as he has been all wc. Don't think he Is fit personally

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:14 am

I don't think he is Steve, NZ forwards and defence just so good. McCaw is leading superbly.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:15 am

Cruden and Dagg been very good for AB's.

Not many Aussies can hold their hands up and say they are playing well here. Perhaps JOC and Ioane.
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From minute 50
Onwards mccaw came to life and was great

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