Manny vs Marquez - HBO Face Off

Hey lovers!!!

Just thought I'd get this on the board seeing as I haven't seen it discussed yet (if I am wrong, please feel free to shoot me down!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pani-idvs_o&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL43D6819980D16E9A

I am actually really looking forward to this now for a few reasons.

The first is, obviously the other 2 fights were amazing battles and very close as well as debatable. I am well aware that age and weight is on the minds but the 144 catchweight is not the weight both fighters must come in at, Marquez is still a fantastic lightweight (arguably the best out there) so can still come in close to LW/LWW and Marquez I feel still has a bit left in the tank, plus he knows Manny's style to a tee.

Manny hasn't fought a counterpuncher like Marquez since.........well Marquez. So it will be interesting to see if Manny has remembered how difficult it is to engage with someone who can hit back frequently and effectively. Over the years Manny's opponents haven't been blessed with a great defence or smart skills so it hasn't been such a big agenda.

But with Marquez its always going to be about the age mostly. Personally I thought the Katsidas victory was fight of the year and a great win, Michael was off the back of a great win against Kevin Mitchell and was expected to retire the old warhorse. But take away the heavy knockdown in the 3rd (which IMO most fighters wouldn't have got back up from), he broke him down in great fashion ala the Juan Diaz fight.

In the link above, I truely feel that these two do not like each other in the slightest. There is no trash talk, but the body language suggests bad blood.

So if you can, let us know what you think of the vid and is your frame of mind changing as the fight draws nearer?

Cheers

Dee

Nice one!

Dee4... it all makes sense now.

I'll give it a watch when I get home. I've got squeakybum over this fight and pray JMM isn't killed in the ring

Welterweight

Vs

Lightweight

FMJ got slated yet walks around at (quoting him) 150 or so, which is only mere lbs different from Pacquiao. In that case we should laud his win over fatty Marquez?

Nope, lets just stick with the put downs that he was a WW fighting a LW. Same applies with Manny, unless you're a nuthugger.

Marquez won't carry the speed or timing he gave Pac such troubles with. Marquez gets knocked out inside 3 for me, and i'll probably be having a nice little sum on that seeing as though it's 15/2.

He's 11/10 to stop him inside 12 as well, which is just stupidly decent odds as well.

Coxy, have you ever thought that maybe you were the nuthugger, but that it was FMJ's sack you were hanging off, as opposed to Manny's?

Why did you need to bring his name up in amongst a totally irrelevant discussion?

In terms of the fight I fully expect a Pacquaio win, but expect Marquez to give him more trouble than many are predicting. Manny on points, for me, with the possibility of a late stoppage.

School Project wrote:Dee4... it all makes sense now.

I'll give it a watch when I get home. I've got squeakybum over this fight and pray JMM isn't killed in the ring

Damn!!! My secret identity has now been revealed!!! haha

I think that as Manny was in the ring as a welter in the last fight against Marquez, the power issue is going to remain the same. Marquez has a good chance of going down in almost every fight hes in, but he is great at getting back up and putting it behind him to battle on.

I think this fight aint gonna be the big blow out a lot of people are predicting. Remember how almost everybody said the Manny vs Mosely fight was gonna end up?

Just for the record, I think Manny will win, but it will be another tough nights work...........for a change.

Never write off a great fighter, styles make fights etc etc.

They will be a similar size on fight night

Mayweather didnt stick to the catchweight against Marquez

Fists of Fury wrote:Coxy, have you ever thought that maybe you were the nuthugger, but that it was FMJ's sack you were hanging off, as opposed to Manny's?

Why did you need to bring his name up in amongst a totally irrelevant discussion?

In terms of the fight I fully expect a Pacquaio win, but expect Marquez to give him more trouble than many are predicting. Manny on points, for me, with the possibility of a late stoppage.

Because people will claim this is some sort of competitive fight between a lightweight and welterweight, those same people who were so vitriolic about who i mentioned before? Contradictory bias, and i was one of those who laughed at when that fight was made, who discounted it as any sort of 'legacy' win. So perhaps you should maybe think before making statements with no base or factual reasoning.

And hanging onto the "counterpuncher, what happened 4 years ago could happen again" arguement doesn't sit with me at all. He's been stuck on his bum by lightweights, he was stuck on his bum against a guy with a 15% KO ratio @ WW and he has been down 4 times against Manny, all early. Can't see how he makes it past 6, and for me he gets dropped early as he can't resist a tear up. Problem is he's going in against a guy who punches harder than he'll remember and who has improved a fair amount since their last meeting.

It will be a one sided beatdown for however long it lasts, and i don't think it lasts long to be honest. And i'm pretty much certain i'll be proven right.

Scottrf wrote:They will be a similar size on fight night

Thats right, I think what makes it interesting is that Marquez has had more bouts with aggressive fighters than Manny has had with decent counter punchers. Plus a few echos stated Manny showed his age a bit against Mosely. So there is still a few questions to be asked of both.

I think its a shame to write this fight off completely as when Manny announced the SSM fight not even a year ago, people were crying about it not being a fight with Marquez. Well I'm happy enough to stay up and watch Marquez fight ranked fighter, just as I am to stay awake to watch Pac fight another. Well they are both fighting eachother so why not stay be happy for them both to duke it out against eachother for a final chapter.

Good luck to both

I'll watch it though, for nothing more just to shout at the laptop for the ref to stop it after Marquez goes down for the 5th time in 3 rounds!

Anyone who wants completely legal online streams nearer the time let me know and i'll PM you!

Indecisive on this fight, as there is logical arguments to be made for a number of endings. Going on form, and with personal bias, Manny fights people who make him look good (imo) and an ageing marquez could be just that.

OR

Marquez will finally get the victory many of us beleive he should had had already in previous encounters.

Or

Anything in between...

I hope for a Marquez win, as he is one of my fav boxers of all time, love the quys heart!

Perhaps, controversially, I find it hard to like Manny. but we can leave that for another debate...

coxy0001 wrote:I'll watch it though, for nothing more just to shout at the laptop for the ref to stop it after Marquez goes down for the 5th time in 3 rounds!

Anyone who wants completely legal online streams nearer the time let me know and i'll PM you!

Why PM it Coxy, it is legal afterall, broadcast it to us all!!!

You can be our (cough cough) Boxing Guru (cough cough)

Don't want to be one to spoil the party but just for the record - no links to such sites will be allowed on this forum.

Fists of Fury wrote:Don't want to be one to spoil the party but just for the record - no links to such sites will be allowed on this forum.

They will via PM. Unless you're going to admit to viewing our PMs?

You can PM whatever you like, we can't monitor that, unless we remove your PM facility

Can you remove his posting facility with it?

Could be arranged, scott!

Scottrf wrote:Can you remove his posting facility with it?

Scottrf wrote:Can you remove his posting facility with it?

They don't remove greatness

coxy0001 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Can you remove his posting facility with it?

They don't remove greatness

I'm not asking them to.

Have to have a watch of this when I'm home. Not gonna be shelling out for thud fight in any way, shape or form. I'd rather send JMM a £15 book voucher than give Arum or Pacquiao a penny. I'm still narked by this fight being deemed a no-go before they'd milked Mosley's knackered old teat.

Scottrf wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Can you remove his posting facility with it?

They don't remove greatness

I'm not asking them to.

....

"Can you remove his posting facility with it?"

Fists of Fury wrote:You can PM whatever you like, we can't monitor that, unless we remove your PM facility

That's not even funny.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:You can PM whatever you like, we can't monitor that, unless we remove your PM facility

That's not even funny.

1984, anyone?