Nice vid analysis of Marquez technique versus Manny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfBmqlO6rh4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Saw this very nice piece on Manny's technical difficulties with Marquez.... Very interesting!

Thak you for that mate. Thoroughly enjoyed that

Other than the annoying sound effects that was very good.

Very good, and an interesting watch.

wish there was a manny vs bradley one, would show bradley clearly winning i think, which i think he did

Bradley clearly winning lol....

Seen it before but it was good enough to rewatch.

There is a fair few of Manny and Bradley I'll post one up in a bit.

AlexHuckerby wrote:Seen it before but it was good enough to rewatch.

There is a fair few of Manny and Bradley I'll post one up in a bit.

Anyone can edit a fight to show one guy winning. Heck, the Serbs made a video to show Danny Rose not being abused by the crowd and blaming him for provoking the whole kerfuffle.

if someone disagrees then make a counter arguement tape....

No it's mainly showing the HBO team going nuts and the crowd going wild from Manny's left hands, however they weren't actually landing in the slightest. Slowed down versions of the punches end up changing the compubox stats dramatically also. So many punches were blocked and missed by quite a way.

i think because bradley is known as a unskilled come forward fighter who just uses his head and stamina to grind people down many people assumed bradley was made to fight differently. in reality he fought the perfect fight, just as marquez did before him, and actually put on a master class, manny hardly got him, and he countered all night. yes manny hit harder, but he didnt really connect fully all night.

a slow motion replay also shows bradley going over on his ankle, so in a rematch with better movement for 8 rounds i see bradley running away with it, and i also think mannys team do to, hence no rematch even though there was a rematch clause and they are adament they won it the first time.

this is one time i feel the judges should actually be commended, they called a difficult fight correctly, stuck to their guns (or two did at least) and didnt give manny another decision. and if i remember correctly they ended up infront of a panel, when other decisions go unmentioned.

Not a chance, Bradley may have been getting his glove up so his own glove and manny's left hand hit him in the face. But he got beaten and beaten clearly. I watched the fight with foreign commentary on youtube and Manny one it clearly in my view.

Bradley missed just as much as Pacquiao if not more, yet his punches had no snap at all. To compare Bradley's effort to Marquez is rather laughable.

The difference between the Marquez vs Pacquiao and Bradley vs Pacquiao fight is:

1. Marquez vs Pacquiao - Pretty much the majority except for Pacquiao fans thought Marquez won.
2. Marquez vs Bradley - Pretty much everyone I respect and watch in the online community thought Bradley lost clearly.

I would be interested to see a round by round from the Bradley crowd so I can rewatch it again and see if I can see what you are.

The judge Duane Ford said the reason he thought Pacquiao lost is because an older version of Pacquiao would have finished Bradley in the fifth round..... Is that really a justification?

Bradley got hit with the left hand time and time again, Marquez didn't.

thats called blocking, and block punches dont count

It depends how much force you land with, just because Bradley's hand gets up, he still takes the majority of the impact and its a scoring shot.Blocked punches mean they don't hit the target, all Bradley did was take a minute amount of the damage out of it.

AlexHuckerby wrote:No it's mainly showing the HBO team going nuts and the crowd going wild from Manny's left hands, however they weren't actually landing in the slightest. Slowed down versions of the punches end up changing the compubox stats dramatically also. So many punches were blocked and missed by quite a way.

Still Manny landed more punches inc power punches and on a per round basis.

BoxingFan88 wrote:Not a chance, Bradley may have been getting his glove up so his own glove and manny's left hand hit him in the face. But he got beaten and beaten clearly. I watched the fight with foreign commentary on youtube and Manny one it clearly in my view.

Bradley missed just as much as Pacquiao if not more, yet his punches had no snap at all. To compare Bradley's effort to Marquez is rather laughable.

The difference between the Marquez vs Pacquiao and Bradley vs Pacquiao fight is:

1. Marquez vs Pacquiao - Pretty much the majority except for Pacquiao fans thought Marquez won.
2. Marquez vs Bradley - Pretty much everyone I respect and watch in the online community thought Bradley lost clearly.

I would be interested to see a round by round from the Bradley crowd so I can rewatch it again and see if I can see what you are.

The judge Duane Ford said the reason he thought Pacquiao lost is because an older version of Pacquiao would have finished Bradley in the fifth round..... Is that really a justification?

Bradley got hit with the left hand time and time again, Marquez didn't.

That about sum sit all up. Basing the fight n what he assumed Manny would do as opposed to what he saw in front of him. I hope he isn't allowed to judge a fight again.

he has his glove and mannys glove between the shot and he can ride the punch, so i'd not score it, or least not on equal terms with a clean shot. i suppose that why its controversial, its all subjective and people will see it differently. i just think if manny thought he could win again he would want to avenge his loss

That 119-109 score card was ridiculous, but the only time Bradley won rounds was when Pacquiao didn't throw. I had it 116-112. Bradley hardly out classed him in any rounds and didn't put on a "Masterclass".

Manny doesn't want to give him a rematch because no one wants to see him put a whooping on Bradley. Manny knows he lost to Marquez, but, he sees no point in beating Bradley again.

im sure manny fans would love him to avenge his loss, and have no desire to see him get schooled by marquez again and get given another decision

BoxingFan88 wrote:
2. Marquez vs Bradley - Pretty much everyone I respect and watch in the online community thought Bradley lost clearly.

I feel so unrespected, BF

i think by that he means people who think the same as him only

Some good points presented fantastically. I'd love to have the technological know how to make a video like that. Brilliant. Cheers!


Did anyone notice the Kellerman part just after 8.44min? How dumb is Manny?? What he says is the equivalent to.... "Marquez steps over here so I step over here and make it easier for him"

I find that part of the clip unbelievable.

Also, did Roach say Manny moved in the right direction?

if so, isn't he supposed to be one of the best coaches around?

Does anyone else agree....

With respect to the first part of the video does Marquez seem to over commit on his feints? To me he does?

And because of the over commitment, it seems as though, had Manny had a little intelligence and timed Marquez' feints better then Marquez wouldn't have been in a position to adjust to Manny's counters effectively.

As it transpired, Manny couldn't work it out and Marquez didn't pay for the over commitment,whereas Mayweather timed him perfectly.

Possibly, but you could argue that his feints are done so convincingly that Manny just simply doesn't have the boxing intelligence to read them, as someone like floyd is able to.

This may seem a little harsh but Marquez looks pretty slow when he feints and given manny's hand speed he shouldn't be letting Marquez getting away with it although im sure that in the ring it may be faster than he looks

The problem with pacquiao is that the minute he starts to get frustrated he loses his composure and tries to change the emphasis by throwing blind combo's but in doing so loses his balance and can get countered much more easily by Marquez

Looking at the video you can see obvious flaws that manny has had with Marquez but in that video in particular his foot speed just looked so much slower and laboured than the previous fights and allowed Marquez to keep him out of range without any problems

AlexHuckerby wrote:Possibly, but you could argue that his feints are done so convincingly that Manny just simply doesn't have the boxing intelligence to read them, as someone like floyd is able to.

Erm, that is my point exactly. Hence, me saying....

And because of the over commitment, it seems as though, had Manny had a little intelligence and timed Marquez' feints better then Marquez wouldn't have been in a position to adjust to Manny's counters effectively.

As it transpired, Manny couldn't work it out and Marquez didn't pay for the over commitment,whereas Mayweather timed him perfectly

Why would you argue against me with my own point?

TheMackemMawler wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:Possibly, but you could argue that his feints are done so convincingly that Manny just simply doesn't have the boxing intelligence to read them, as someone like floyd is able to.

Erm, that is my point exactly. Hence, me saying....

And because of the over commitment, it seems as though, had Manny had a little intelligence and timed Marquez' feints better then Marquez wouldn't have been in a position to adjust to Manny's counters effectively.

As it transpired, Manny couldn't work it out and Marquez didn't pay for the over commitment,whereas Mayweather timed him perfectly

Why would you argue against me with my own point?

Hahahaha, watching the boxing at the same time, I suppose i wasn't reading properly, i barely even remember posting it...

Nice video but a disclaimer in the fact that a la d4 the author is totally biased on this subject..

The polar opposite to d4....in fact!!

However not to say he hasn't got a point.....and in fairness he does have good knowledge about the sport..

Brilliant video!!! Marquez is a real technician

AlexHuckerby wrote:

BoxingFan88 wrote:
2. Marquez vs Bradley - Pretty much everyone I respect and watch in the online community thought Bradley lost clearly.

I feel so unrespected, BF

Haha mate I said pretty much everyone, I respect everyone's opinion on this boxing board and they all know their stuff and I am learning a lot . The crowd I don't respect is muppets like this guy... Have a look at this gem, even for a WUM article it's bad:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2012/11/bute-dominates-grachev-in-impressive-performance/

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Nice video but a disclaimer in the fact that a la d4 the author is totally biased on this subject..

The polar opposite to d4....in fact!!

However not to say he hasn't got a point.....and in fairness he does have good knowledge about the sport..

As much sense as..... well as much sense as Trussy attemting to make sense!!

Contrary to what Truss says I was a fan of Manny way before Truss converted from loving darts to getting involved in boxing (roughly around the time he found Butterbean!!). However as time has gone by i have come to the realisation that the Wildcard gym under Roach's tutelage produces one dimensionla fighters, and crucially that dont have a defensive game. I think this vid therefore highlights why a skilled tactician, especially a counter puncher, would cause Manny a lot of trouble! Once put on the back foot or when made to over think you almost see the brain get scrambled and panic!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote: