Cotto vs Alvarez?

I think this fight could happen, light-middleweight unification. Cotto showed last night his boxing skills and i think he would cause Alvarez real problems nad beat him. Would be a massive step up in class for Saul, would Golden Boy risk him for a fight with Cotto?

I think will be Chavez jr vs cotto winner takes on Alvarez who eventually take on Martinez.... Hopefully

Geb85 wrote:I think will be Chavez jr vs cotto winner takes on Alvarez who eventually take on Martinez.... Hopefully

There's a few decent fights out there for Chavez and Alvarez now, time for them to step up to the plate if they're not going to fight each other.

Would like to see Cotto retire now personally, but if he does continue - which I think he will - the Alvarez fight seems the natural route to me, given that Cotto is still arguably the biggest PPV attraction in the sport outside of Mayweather and Pacquiao. Combine that with Alvarez's huge following and it makes for a serious spectacle.

Mind you, that would be a hard fight to make politically speaking. Golden Boy will be wanting to protect their prize asset, Arum probably knows that Cotto isn't the swashbuckling specimen he was back in 2007. As has been mentioned above, the chances are that we'll be left with second prize, which is Cotto versus Chavez Jr.

There are a lot of potential fights that need to be made in the next around the 147lb-160lb region all with the potential to create a lot of interest and money.

Cotto, Mayweather, Alvarez, Chavez jnr, Khan, Bradley, Pacquiao and Martinez really need to make some fights happen between them.

88Chris05 wrote:

Mind you, that would be a hard fight to make politically speaking. Golden Boy will be wanting to protect their prize asset, Arum probably knows that Cotto isn't the swashbuckling specimen he was back in 2007. As has been mentioned above, the chances are that we'll be left with second prize, which is Cotto versus Chavez Jr.

I agree with this. Arum and Golden Boy seem miles apart at this stage. I would see Arum milking Cotto a bit before a mega fight. Arum even mentioned Cotto v Margarita 3 in the post fight presser last night.

I have wanted to see Cotto fighting on his toes for a long time. His footwork is incredible. If he fought with his head instead of standing in front of Manny and trading it would have been a lot closer fight. Cotto back peddling and using lateral movement could really frustrate Manny. I thought Cotto really blew that fight and I would like to see it happening for a second time.

Cotto really has something, great charisma, still the most likeable fighter in boxing for me.

Cotto vs Canelo would be a huge event. Cotto can always draw a crowd in and canelo is already a superstar. That fight will be the better also as both are of similar size, both have a lot of skill and power. Alvarez is slowly stepping up, although i think he should go in vs kirkland first as he ios yet to be in the with a come forward power puncher and a fight vs kirkland will really help him improve.

Chavez Jr is alot more flawed, but comes into the ring weighing 180lbs and is fresh and is quicker than margarito. He will close the gap and pound away with everything he's got and cotto is a small LMW, so i think he will be worn down, and it would be a same for cotto to have a loss vs chavez at the end of his career as he is that much better a fighter

i'd only like to see him against martinez, chavez jr or alvarez.

anyone else is a massive step down.

if cotto boxes the same style as last night, i dont think alvarez has the stamina to keep chasing him down affectively

Does seem like all the noise is for it to be Mayweather, shame it's 3 years too late.

Let's be honest, Martinez is far too dangerous to be considered as a opponent for Cotto. Chavez and Alvarez will probably be bigger fights, and much less likely to end his career with a beating.

Bob wrote:Let's be honest, Martinez is far too dangerous to be considered as a opponent for Cotto. Chavez and Alvarez will probably be bigger fights, and much less likely to end his career with a beating.

margarito martinez could still happen. sounds like arum has his mind set of cotto chavez next. depends if chavez wants it i guess

martinez is just in the wrong weight division. He persistently calls out smaller fighters like manny, floyd and cotto but he has tried as hard a spossible to stay away from bigger fighters in the SMW division. He's 5'10, 75" reach and weighs in around 175lbs. If he wants a superfight so bad he needs to take the risk, im pretty sure bute, froch, ward and kessler would all like his name on there CV.

Personally I would like to see Cotto continue. I think he still has alot to offer.

Fights at LMW with Mayweather, Alvarez, Chavez Jr or Martinez would all interest me. If these guys could all make some fights happen between themselves it would be great.

I bet he will be put in vs pacquiao by arum. If cotto box's like we saw last night, he could actually beat manny. I would like to see cotto go out on a win which is why i wouldn't mind him retiring now. He deserves a huge payday and mayweather-cotto would still sell very well

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:martinez is just in the wrong weight division. He persistently calls out smaller fighters like manny, floyd and cotto but he has tried as hard a spossible to stay away from bigger fighters in the SMW division. He's 5'10, 75" reach and weighs in around 175lbs. If he wants a superfight so bad he needs to take the risk, im pretty sure bute, froch, ward and kessler would all like his name on there CV.

Martinez was a welterweight until he was 26, and a light middle at 34. He claims he can still make this weight. To say he should fight the supermiddles is ridiculous, as many of those are bordering on light heavy. Ignoring the fact none of them are superfight status

It really annoys me when people talk about the size of a fighter anyway. Cotto, Manny and Alvarez all won the light middleweight title fighting guys who had no pedigree there. If they make the weight, they are a legit opponents. At least Martinez stepped up to fight the huge middleweight Pavlik, rather than stating that at 6'2" and with a 79 inch reach he ws too big.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Cotto v Alzarez for a vacant middleweight title.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:martinez is just in the wrong weight division. He persistently calls out smaller fighters like manny, floyd and cotto but he has tried as hard a spossible to stay away from bigger fighters in the SMW division. He's 5'10, 75" reach and weighs in around 175lbs. If he wants a superfight so bad he needs to take the risk, im pretty sure bute, froch, ward and kessler would all like his name on there CV.

Martinez doesn't weigh anywhere near 175lbs, he's closer to 167/168lbs last time I checked. He hasn't called out the likes of Manny, Floyd and Cotto to fight at middleweight he's been willing to fight at light middleweight where they have all won world titles.

165 vs Barker.

170 on the night against Dzinzurik. The weight Hopkins offered him a fight at which he refused. He wants to fight smaller men but won't be the smaller man in a fight. Double standards really.

His Cotto has no balls statement looks a bit stupid now as well.

There's a big difference between coming into the ring at 170 and taking a fight at 170 where you opponent might be 180+.

prettyboykev wrote:170 on the night against Dzinzurik. The weight Hopkins offered him a fight at which he refused. He wants to fight smaller men but won't be the smaller man in a fight. Double standards really.

His Cotto has no balls statement looks a bit stupid now as well.

So he was 165 in his last fight. Will this be at a catchweight of 170lbs like Hopkins did against Pavlik? Hopkins entered the ring at 180lbs for that fight if memory serves. How outrageous of him to refuse to give away 15lbs to an elite boxer.

Oh, and Pavlik came in at 179lbs when Martinez fought him, which was, a 15lbs difference.

And all this is beside the point. Martinez has said he will fight Cotto at 154lbs, for Cotto's 154LB BELT!.

Last time I checked Martinez doesn't have a 170lb belt.

He would be quite happy for the table to be reversed for him to fight Pacquiao or Mayweather where he would have the significant weight advantage.

If they fought at a catchweight of 150lbs he would probably come in the ring at 165+lbs and which would give him at least a 10lbs weight advantage.

prettyboykev wrote:He would be quite happy for the table to be reversed for him to fight Pacquiao or Mayweather where he would have the significant weight advantage.

If they fought at a catchweight of 150lbs he would probably come in the ring at 165+lbs and which would give him at least a 10lbs weight advantage.

They claim to be former light middleweight world champions so see no reason why Martinez shouldn't ask for a fight at that weight.

prettyboykev wrote:He would be quite happy for the table to be reversed for him to fight Pacquiao or Mayweather where he would have the significant weight advantage.

If they fought at a catchweight of 150lbs he would probably come in the ring at 165+lbs and which would give him at least a 10lbs weight advantage.

So he's happy to have a size advantage but not give one away, the same as the guys in the division below him. It's not like he's avoiding Middleweights.

Martinez is willing to move to fight in their division, if he makes weight that's fine. He's not asking Cotto to come to 164.

If someone holds a belt, they should be fair game to be challenged at that weight.
I'd like to see Martinez fight at 154 again, to see if he can make it, Kirkland might be an option, as I can't see a Pacman, Mayweather or Cotto bout being likely.

Other than that, the proposed Macklin fight could be fun.

Scottrf wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:He would be quite happy for the table to be reversed for him to fight Pacquiao or Mayweather where he would have the significant weight advantage.

If they fought at a catchweight of 150lbs he would probably come in the ring at 165+lbs and which would give him at least a 10lbs weight advantage.

So he's happy to have a size advantage but not give one away, the same as the guys in the division below him. It's not like he's avoiding Middleweights.

Martinez is willing to move to fight in their division, if he makes weight that's fine. He's not asking Cotto to come to 164.

Yes he's willing to go to their division so if he boxes att 147lbs he will rehydrate to at least 160lbs giving him a good 10lbs on Mayweather and probably even more on Pacquiao. They have both dealt with that before and I don't believe Martinez is good enough to beat either but that doesn't matter. It works both ways he's not willing to be the smaller man in a fight but he expects others to be. He's calling them out but when Hopkins did it to him he brought up the weight excuse.

As for Cotto I think Cotto will fight him. Why would Cotto fight Martinez before Margarito and put that fight at risk? Makes no sense.

I think Martinez being a Middleweight competitor probably makes him a little too big for Pacquiao and Mayweather. It would be a case of a fighter coming up a division and another coming down just to meet half way. But Cotto, Chavez and Alvarez are matches that should be possible in the near future. Although it looks like Macklin might be his next opponent.

prettyboykev wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:He would be quite happy for the table to be reversed for him to fight Pacquiao or Mayweather where he would have the significant weight advantage.

If they fought at a catchweight of 150lbs he would probably come in the ring at 165+lbs and which would give him at least a 10lbs weight advantage.

So he's happy to have a size advantage but not give one away, the same as the guys in the division below him. It's not like he's avoiding Middleweights.

Martinez is willing to move to fight in their division, if he makes weight that's fine. He's not asking Cotto to come to 164.

Yes he's willing to go to their division so if he boxes att 147lbs he will rehydrate to at least 160lbs giving him a good 10lbs on Mayweather and probably even more on Pacquiao. They have both dealt with that before and I don't believe Martinez is good enough to beat either but that doesn't matter. It works both ways he's not willing to be the smaller man in a fight but he expects others to be. He's calling them out but when Hopkins did it to him he brought up the weight excuse.

As for Cotto I think Cotto will fight him. Why would Cotto fight Martinez before Margarito and put that fight at risk? Makes no sense.

It's not to do with being the bigger/smaller fighter. I agree re Mayweather/Pacquiao that he shouldn't necessarily ask them to move up, but re Cotto/the LMWs as long as he's willing to move to their division it's not a problem. If he'd turned down a fight with Hopkins at 160 that would be a different story.

prettyboykev wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:He would be quite happy for the table to be reversed for him to fight Pacquiao or Mayweather where he would have the significant weight advantage.

If they fought at a catchweight of 150lbs he would probably come in the ring at 165+lbs and which would give him at least a 10lbs weight advantage.

So he's happy to have a size advantage but not give one away, the same as the guys in the division below him. It's not like he's avoiding Middleweights.

Martinez is willing to move to fight in their division, if he makes weight that's fine. He's not asking Cotto to come to 164.

Yes he's willing to go to their division so if he boxes att 147lbs he will rehydrate to at least 160lbs giving him a good 10lbs on Mayweather and probably even more on Pacquiao. They have both dealt with that before and I don't believe Martinez is good enough to beat either but that doesn't matter. It works both ways he's not willing to be the smaller man in a fight but he expects others to be. He's calling them out but when Hopkins did it to him he brought up the weight excuse.

As for Cotto I think Cotto will fight him. Why would Cotto fight Martinez before Margarito and put that fight at risk? Makes no sense.

He will not fight at 147lbs. He wants the fight at 154lbs, a weight at which all the guys mentioned claim to have been or be world champions. Cotto topped 160lbs on fight night when he was a welter, Hatton weighed 157 in the ring against Tszyu. None of it is relevent. If they make the weight, they should fight.

If BHop had said he would make middleweight, Martinez has no excuse, but he is willing to fight these guys at their weight, and they want none of it.

Scottrf wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:He would be quite happy for the table to be reversed for him to fight Pacquiao or Mayweather where he would have the significant weight advantage.

If they fought at a catchweight of 150lbs he would probably come in the ring at 165+lbs and which would give him at least a 10lbs weight advantage.

So he's happy to have a size advantage but not give one away, the same as the guys in the division below him. It's not like he's avoiding Middleweights.

Martinez is willing to move to fight in their division, if he makes weight that's fine. He's not asking Cotto to come to 164.

Yes he's willing to go to their division so if he boxes att 147lbs he will rehydrate to at least 160lbs giving him a good 10lbs on Mayweather and probably even more on Pacquiao. They have both dealt with that before and I don't believe Martinez is good enough to beat either but that doesn't matter. It works both ways he's not willing to be the smaller man in a fight but he expects others to be. He's calling them out but when Hopkins did it to him he brought up the weight excuse.

As for Cotto I think Cotto will fight him. Why would Cotto fight Martinez before Margarito and put that fight at risk? Makes no sense.

It's not to do with being the bigger/smaller fighter. I agree re Mayweather/Pacquiao that he shouldn't necessarily ask them to move up, but re Cotto/the LMWs as long as he's willing to move to their division it's not a problem. If he'd turned down a fight with Hopkins at 160 that would be a different story.

I don't have a problem with him fighting anyone at 154lbs. Mayweather and Pacuiao are welterweights and not very big ones at that. My problem with Martinez is he was expecting them to give up a weight advantage on the night something he wasn't willing to do against a 46 year old.

He's willing to fight in a division in which they have won world titles so him being the bigger man would be irrelevant, were he to ask them to move up to face him that would be a different story.

prettyboykev wrote:I don't have a problem with him fighting anyone at 154lbs. Mayweather and Pacuiao are welterweights and not very big ones at that. My problem with Martinez is he was expecting them to give up a weight advantage on the night something he wasn't willing to do against a 46 year old.

Fair enough.

cotto is 5'7 and i don't think he gains much weight from the 154 limit. The height and reach difference between cotto and martinez(5'10) is exactly the same as martinez and ward(6ft), froch (6'1) and Kessler(6'1).

Why hasn't he called any of the above out? His responce, they will have too much weight on him

He's not long been at middleweight and is getting on a bit, so to expect him to move up again so soon would be expecting too much.

The Super Middleweight division has been tied up for the last few years with the S6. Is he really going to call out Froch, Ward and Kessler who all have fights lined up?

Martinez has moved up from WW to MW looking for fights. How far is expected to go?

As others have said. He isnt demanding everyone come to his division. He is looking for fights in his opponents weight classes.

Ghosty that's fine he doesn't want to fight someone who will have a significant weight advantage over him. Don't expect others to do it then.

prettyboykev wrote:Ghosty that's fine he doesn't want to fight someone who will have a significant weight advantage over him. Don't expect others to do it then.

He'll have no bigger an advantage as many other of their opposition, the main point is that he's far better currently than the likes of Ortiz, Margarito, Clottey etc.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:Ghosty that's fine he doesn't want to fight someone who will have a significant weight advantage over him. Don't expect others to do it then.

He'll have no bigger an advantage as many other of their opposition, the main point is that he's far better currently than the likes of Ortiz, Margarito, Clottey etc.

That's fine but you can't use the weight advantage argument when it suits you and expect Pacquiao and Floyd to not do the same when you bring very little to the table.

They shouldn't fight for world titles at light middleweight if they are unwilling to face the best in that division.

Martinez is a middleweight. We all know why they did it. Floyd did it because Oscar was past it and that was something like 4 years ago and it was huge money fight. Manny did it albeit at 150lbs because Arum told him to and immediately said he wouldn't do it again.

Then they have to expect to be called out by the best fighters in the division, Martinez is going round claiming to be a super middleweight champion without fighting anyone at the weight.

Matinez isn't at 154lbs and neither are they. I don't have a problem with Martinez fighting anyone at 154lbs but if the say no because of any weight advantage they feel he will have on the night then he just needs to accept it. He did the same thing to Hopkins.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:cotto is 5'7 and i don't think he gains much weight from the 154 limit. The height and reach difference between cotto and martinez(5'10) is exactly the same as martinez and ward(6ft), froch (6'1) and Kessler(6'1).

Why hasn't he called any of the above out? His responce, they will have too much weight on him

He was busy knocking out the 6'3" Williams, 6'1 Barker, and 6'0 Dzinziruk, or outpointing 6'2" Pavlik.

The situation with Hopkins is completely irrelevant he's not a champion at super middleweight, the moment Pacquiao and Mayweather won titles at light middleweight they became fair game to be called out for fights in that division.

Ghosty I don't get your point really mate we seem to be going round in circles.

Martinez isn't a champion at light middle.

All I'm saying is Martinez wasn't willing to give away a significant weight advantage on the night in a catchweight fight to a 46 year old man. Why should he expect Manny and Floyd not to use the weight excuse when he did it and he brings nothing to the table?

Bob wrote:

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:cotto is 5'7 and i don't think he gains much weight from the 154 limit. The height and reach difference between cotto and martinez(5'10) is exactly the same as martinez and ward(6ft), froch (6'1) and Kessler(6'1).

Why hasn't he called any of the above out? His responce, they will have too much weight on him

He was busy knocking out the 6'3" Williams, 6'1 Barker, and 6'0 Dzinziruk, or outpointing 6'2" Pavlik.

he's fought them, why can't he fight the super middleweights then?

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:

Bob wrote:

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:cotto is 5'7 and i don't think he gains much weight from the 154 limit. The height and reach difference between cotto and martinez(5'10) is exactly the same as martinez and ward(6ft), froch (6'1) and Kessler(6'1).

Why hasn't he called any of the above out? His responce, they will have too much weight on him

He was busy knocking out the 6'3" Williams, 6'1 Barker, and 6'0 Dzinziruk, or outpointing 6'2" Pavlik.

he's fought them, why can't he fight the super middleweights then?

Because he's not a Super Middleweight?

Who is Alvarez? Cotto should cash out against Chavez Jr but the weight is an issue. Or get Martinez down to 150lbs! Martinez says he's willing to make 150lbs - get it on. Martinez seems to be rated highly but he's very beatable.

prettyboykev wrote:Ghosty I don't get your point really mate we seem to be going round in circles.

Martinez isn't a champion at light middle.

All I'm saying is Martinez wasn't willing to give away a significant weight advantage on the night in a catchweight fight to a 46 year old man. Why should he expect Manny and Floyd not to use the weight excuse when he did it and he brings nothing to the table?

Ok, I'll simplify this for you::-

NOBODY PAYS TO SEE HOPKINS FIGHT, SO IT AINT A SUPERFIGHT.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:

Bob wrote:

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:cotto is 5'7 and i don't think he gains much weight from the 154 limit. The height and reach difference between cotto and martinez(5'10) is exactly the same as martinez and ward(6ft), froch (6'1) and Kessler(6'1).

Why hasn't he called any of the above out? His responce, they will have too much weight on him

He was busy knocking out the 6'3" Williams, 6'1 Barker, and 6'0 Dzinziruk, or outpointing 6'2" Pavlik.

he's fought them, why can't he fight the super middleweights then?

Why doesn't Khan fight Tua? He's taller, and has a greater reach, so surely it's logical?