Vitali vs Solis dissapointment

Vitali Klitchsko defeats Solis by KO in the first round,Solis appeared have been hurt by a temple shot too the head and on the way down twisted his knee and couldnt get back up,doubt Klitchsko will give him a rematch and will maybe look for a fight against Haye if Wladamir fails to beat him I aswell as many other people are dissapointed that it didn't go past at least the first round such a shame i thought this was the hardest opponent for Vitali in a few years and he had a sneaky chance and thought it would of went the full 12 rounds.Solis caught Vitali with a few shots before the KO and a had Solis winning the round but in anyways anyone know where the Casey fight will be on? dont believe he will but never know it could be a upset.

It was like some kind of Muhammad Ali phantom punch, I didn't think Vitali even landed anything!! Thought it only caught his glove.

Then I thought he was injured but he walked back to his dressing room fine.

Sad to say it's another big win for the UFC

Didn't see him walk to the dressing room just seen the Vitali interview then turned it of and yeah absolute controversy.

Now hearing about that you just have to wonder how bad it actually was...was this all a big fake? did Solis just come for a pay day? im now not sure...

beastfromthesoutheast wrote:It was like some kind of Muhammad Ali phantom punch, I didn't think Vitali even landed anything!! Thought it only caught his glove.

Then I thought he was injured but he walked back to his dressing room fine.

Sad to say it's another big win for the UFC

Sorry, but WTF does this have to do with UFC

Remind me, which card outsold wich card when boxing went head to head with a UFC event. Did anyone care outisde of Europe about this fight? Nope. Did he take a dive? We don't know, because his legs went to utter jelly - not even Christian Bale could've done a better job of going down, and why would he take a dive? The guy was competitive for the first 3 minutes for FECK sake!!!

I don't know if you're blind, but the guy got caught around the top part of the temple. It was pretty obvious to me he lost equilibrium for a few minutes or so, it wasn't the perfect punch in terms of ripping is head off but it was pretty clear his legs went awol big time from the right hand.

Don't know if anyone saw his eyes after the knockdown, because they were in orbit somewhere

beastfromthesoutheast wrote:Sad to say it's another big win for the UFC

The less said about this comment the better.

As for the actual fight, obviously a huge disappointment, yes. Solis looked OK for the first two and a half minutes, showing a bit of the hand speed which had a few punters putting money his way, but clearly he's faced nothing in those seventeen fights previously to even compare to Klitschko's power. Difficult to say how many question marks can be raised over Solis' chin, as it did land on that spot (temple) which, even if not caused by a sledge hammer blow, can have a really bemusing affect, and also because he was still only getting warmed up in the fight. Even so, he'll be disappointed to be felled by such a punch, dodgy knee or not. I don't, however, think he quit as some are suggesting.

I don't think there will be much call for a rematch, either. If it had been purely a knee injury which caused the stoppage then perhaps, but I reckon most (me included) will see this as another routine win for Vitali, so it's on to whoever's next; and that 'whoever' is anyone's guess, now.

I think it kind of sums up the heavyweight division at the moment. Thsi was billed by many as the beginning of a mini revival in the division. Established champs facing the biggest threats.

Instead it was an anti climax probably only outdone by the Haye v Harrison farce.

The blow that landed on Solis did not look concussive and Vitalis reaction subsequent seems to indicate he smelt something fishy. However it could just be Solis has no chin and has relied on not being tagged. Its hard to see a big future in the division for him if he is being jelly legged by those kind of shots.

One can only hope Hayes equally suspect chin is not exposed by the first Klitschko jab he faces come July.

As for a rematch? Why bother I say. Solis looked fragile and if nothing else, Vitali displayed his usual strength of being able to shrug off a shot like it never happened. Hard to see how Solis would have a chance.

The punch just seemed to scrape him. Solis was clutching his leg immediately afterwards and stood up hobbiling. From what I gather he was affected by a knee injury. Could be he felt a wush shot, slipped and decided that was close enough. But, more than likely it was a genuine injury, from his reaction anyway.

Ok, from one perspective its farcical and yet another suspect outcome. But, there are injuries in sports and boxing, it happens from time to time. If Solis has genuinely suffered a leg injury there is not much that can be done about it.

Absolute farce. It was a glancing blow, caused Solis' legs to stiffen and he went over awkwardly on his right knee. You could see him holding it as soon as he landed, you could see him hobbling on it as he tried to get up. It doesn't help with that hysterical buffoon Jim Watt claiming it was "the punch" that knocked him out and "shut his nervous system down" when clearly he injured his knee in the fall - you didn't need a bloody replay to see that. Another HW disappointment, total and utter waste of time watching it, let's just hope Haye has the minerals to KTFO Wlad, coz the tedium and predictability of this weight class is beyond a joke. I maintain I won't be surprised if Wlad sidesteps haye and vitali steps in. An easy night tonight does little to change my mind.

Was a glancing blow to the temple which robbed him of his legs and senses, got his leg caught behind him on the way down, he definitely didn't throw the fight and i had him winning the first round, clearly held his leg straight away on the floor, very well could have been taken out if had got back up, knee injury or not. Still very disappionting.

I saw it the same way as Sugar Boy.

I thought that Solis' knee went out and that the punch had little effect. Solis had just leaped forward ( a little clumsily, ) trying to tag Klitschko, and then made a bit of a hash of readjusting his feet when Vitali tried to counter with the short right. I'd have to watch it in slow motion a few times to be more sure, but that's how it looked to me. Maybe carrying 240lb. on a 6ft.1in. frame is a bit much for the joints in a situation like that.

The different explanations which some of you fellas have offered are every bit as plausible, so I wouldn't argue with you, but having not yet seen a replay these were my impressions.

Terribly disappointing, because he looked to have a solid blocking technique and quick hands. Could have, and should have, been a very interesting and competitive fight.

Watching it back you can see Solis knee buckle just as hes tryig to hit Vit. Vit then grazes him with the right to the temple before he goes. I wonder if Solis came in with some sort of injury. Definately looked liked he twisted something trying to tag Vit

Not sure Windy

I saw both his legs go awol after the punch, am pretty sure he did ping something in the knee but watching his left leg go into chicken dance mode also made me think he was actually hurt by the punch, as innocuous as it was to look at etc

Shame as it was shaping up to be a half decent fight if the first 3 mins were anything to do by, some nice little short hooks from Solis on the inside probably meant he was in a with a decent shout of winning the round etc

Still think Haye would cause him trouble before he walks onto something

coxy0001 wrote:Not sure Windy

I saw both his legs go awol after the punch, am pretty sure he did ping something in the knee but watching his left leg go into chicken dance mode also made me think he was actually hurt by the punch, as innocuous as it was to look at etc

Shame as it was shaping up to be a half decent fight if the first 3 mins were anything to do by, some nice little short hooks from Solis on the inside probably meant he was in a with a decent shout of winning the round etc

Still think Haye would cause him trouble before he walks onto something

You may well be right, coxy.

Just my first impressions, and I'll need to see it again a few times in slo - mo before I can form a stronger opinion.

Vitali interview after the match

Here is a link to sky sports and the aftermatch interview.

unfortunately doesnt show the fight.

joke of a fight.

Bit of a shiiite finsih.

Hopefully Haye will provide a much bigger threat to the Klistchkos. They deserve more credit than they get sometimes.

Just because Vitali was coming forward doesn't mean he was winning the round. The majority of meaningful punches were landed by Solis. He was winning the round. Combine Solis' weight with Vitali's and that's a big fall right there. It looks as though he was clipped but he deserves another shot. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I had Solis winning the round. However, with the pedigree and skill he possess, I was expecting the first 3-4 rounds to be very competitive with Solis possibly edging them.
I think Vitali's superior conditioning would have seen him take control by the mid to latter rounds.

Had the KO not occured, I think this fight would have been quite similar to Vitali's fight with Corrie Sanders. Its a shame because that was a cracking fight and this was shaping up to be an entertaining encounter as well.

The KO itself was strange. From what I have seen of Solis, he appears to possess a solid chin. The punch itself landed on the temple and appeared to short-circuit Solis. His legs buckled and he might have got injured but his facial expression would also suggest that the punch had him dazed and seeing stars.

I would like to hear from Solis himself what exactly happened.

Vitali looked pretty annoyed despite the win. He seemed to be enjoying a challenging round and looked aggravated rather than relieved when he scored the KO. Wheather that was because he thought Solis took a dive or wheather he was just disappointed for the thousands of fans remains uncertain.

I hope this isnt the last we see of Solis. Watching his amateur bout against Ibragimov, he showed some star quality and flair. No doubt that has some real ability but he needs to shed a further 20-25lbs in order to become a future champion. With the likes of Haye and Adamek also awaiting fights against the Klitschko's, a re-match will be unlikely any time soon. Solis should perhaps work on his conditioning and attempt to dominate in the post-Klitschko era of HW boxing.

i feel sorry for solis after watching it, i dont agree his eyes were all over the place, he didnt even seem bothered about the head shot, he was focussed on his knee as soon as he started to fall.

such a shame, hopefully he'll get his shot again. not saying he has the tools to beat vitali, but he only gone 18 fights, in a few fights time he'll get his chance again.

It is likely Solis will get another shot fairly shortly; considering the controversial finish and he is promoted by Don King, who is well in with the sanctioning bodies.

The finis was a shame, because he was actually beating Vitali before that.

That parade of idiocy last night on Sky hath compelled me to sign up here just to get it off my chest.

I would genuinely throttle Jim Watt if I didn't think he still had the ability to knock me out. He just keeps barreling on with no thought to what actually happened and to what replays show. I don't think the 'punch' that Vitali landed had the slightest effect on Solis other than to tidy his hair up a bit. It barely landed.

It seems perfectly (and painfully) obvious from the replay that Solis did his right knee in and collapsed in a heap as a result. He looked like a drunk man when getting up because he couldn't put his weight on it. Simple as that.

I respectfully disagree with anyone who claims that Solis was hurt or dazed by the punch but I can certainly see your argument. Anyone who claims that Solis took a dive or that he faked his knee injury to get out of the fight, however, is even further off the mark than Watt and co were last night.

Oh, and hello 606 v2. Bit of a whiny first post from me but it'll be solid gold from here on in I assure you.

The problem I have is that Solis twisted his knee as he was falling and he wasn't falling because of twisting his knee

I think we are remembering very different things then. As I recall Solis was crouching, albeit very low, and his right knee visibly buckled after which he goes down.

The punch from Vitali came a second or two earlier, and while we've certainly seen delayed reactions to shots before, he adjusted his stance after the shot and seemed fairly steady on his feet until his right knee went.

Just checked the replay again and I'm even more convinced the punch had little to no effect on the outcome of this fight.

I'm not saying the punch had much effect but his knee went as he was pretty much on the floor

Massive anti -s climax. Very disappointing.

Still dont know what to make of the knock out. I dont think it was a dive at all as Solis could not have acted out what happened.

The real question was how he managed to injure his leg? The shot that clips him looks fairly innocuos, nobody even registered it as a decent shot including the commentators.There is a bit of a delayed reaction though and Solis' legs do seem to go wobbly. Was this because the shot did actually wobble him or was he trying some ill advised attempt to shift his balance? Both legs seem to go to jelly, the left goes first and then he ends up falling and twisting the right.

Its hard to imagine how that would happen unless he was actually caught, but at the same tme the shot certainly doesnt look heavy.

The Sky Sports commentary was ridiculous. How Jim Watt could not at least acknowledge the bizzareness of the KO and act as if Vitali had decapitated him is beyond me. McGuigan came across as an exciteable little fool aswell who was actig as if his own pure specualtion was law. (Possibly embarrassed after hyping Solis up s much).

I also dont get how they commentators could describe Solis as being in fantastic shape? He may have lost some poundage since his last fight but he was hardly in tip top condition yet Watt and McGuigan kept going on about how he had worked so hard to get into fantastic shape. Really?

Another thing was the body language. Sky kept saying he looked utterly confident and relaxed. I thought the opposite. He looked rather withdrawn and wouldnt even meet Vitalis glare in the stare down before touching gloves. After the fight he didnt come across as nearly as devastated Watt made out.

You guys think the tko will stand? He beat the count.

The TKO will stand

Solis problem is that he's a lazy out of shape fat b*stard. The punch was fairly inoccuous - put him off balance more than anything - but because he's carrying the best part of 250lb on a 6'1" frame his joints buckled as his balance went. He's no athlete. I'm 1.5 inches shorter than him but 90lb lighter - to me that is insane. If he's ever gonna mount a serious challenge at HW he needs to get down to about 225lb minimum so his legs can carry his fat arris around the ring without buckling everytime he's wobbled. The K-Bros are fine athletes, a fat plodder isn't going to beat them.

One of the few things I took from this actually was that Vitalis chin seems to be withstanding the test of time. Solis caught him with at least two pretty heavy signature left hooks and Vitali barely blinked.

The rest of his game might be slowing down now and he looks alot easier to hit but it still looks almost impossible to shake him. I would really question if Haye has enough dig to put a dent in Vitali. Im confident Haye can send Wlad down if he gets through but Vitali looks an entirely different prospect and is much more aggressive.

I don't think haye hits hard enough, throws enough leather or is physically strong enough to ko, outpoint or outhustle vitali. I think he'll beat wladimir though.

I agree Manos, and with Hayes stamina I dont see him going the distance with either brother (let alone doing enough to get a decision.) Hard to see how he beats Vitali.

With the exception of Lewis, Vitali hasn't faced anyone with Hayes power, nor anyone with his speed

I don't think Haye can seriously hurt Vitali, and even though he doesn't throw alot, i can see a points win. Solis was throwing the eye catching shots and Hayes speed is superior to Solis. Vitali is very slow and a think hes a bit too predictable. Solis was making him miss far too easily especially looking at how big Solis was. As long as Haye doesn't try to KO Vitali, his stamina should hold out.

imperialghosty wrote:With the exception of Lewis, Vitali hasn't faced anyone with Hayes power, nor anyone with his speed

Speed maybe, but power? Im not sure I agree. Sanders, Peter, Arreola, Briggs, Solis I imagine would all have comparable power to Haye. Haye was an exremelly powerful cruiser but at heavyweight Im yet to be convinced hes more powerful than alot of the guys the Klitschkos have faced.

Wladimir's take on Haye v Vitali is interesting and invites the application of one or two different spins :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/9430033.stm

manos de piedra wrote:

imperialghosty wrote:With the exception of Lewis, Vitali hasn't faced anyone with Hayes power, nor anyone with his speed

Speed maybe, but power? Im not sure I agree. Sanders, Peter, Arreola, Briggs, Solis I imagine would all have comparable power to Haye. Haye was an exremelly powerful cruiser but at heavyweight Im yet to be convinced hes more powerful than alot of the guys the Klitschkos have faced.

Difference being that Haye will be delivering his punches with speed and that makes a huge huge difference

How can anyone say he got knocked down, and on way hurt his knee. When his knee went he was clearly still standing, bit of balance, but if his knee had not of given in then he would of still been standing.

Would vitali of gone on to land a flurry and take the round, no doubt.

The Tyson vs Norris fight was ruled in a No Contest in a similar situation. Fight results are often overturned later if a cut is deemed to be caused by a clash of heads. There are just as many fight verdicts which stand, despite apparent injuries. No one told Cerdan he could limp out with a No Contest and then rematch.

I'm not entirely sure what the rules are in this matter. Yuri Foreman suffered a leg injury against Miguel Cotto (I wouldn't trade places with him), but perhaps he was still able to continue. It also seems that Foreman, much like Cerdan, wanted to win the fight. If Solis's people took the fight to the authorities the result could potentially be changed. If he turns up with a doctors note and mounts a convincing case. But, its a very murky area and Solis may just take this one on the chin, so to speak.

A rematch would settle the matter.

ArchBritishchris wrote:The Tyson vs Norris fight was ruled in a No Contest in a similar situation. Fight results are often overturned later if a cut is deemed to be caused by a clash of heads. There are just as many fight verdicts which stand, despite apparent injuries. No one told Cerdan he could limp out with a No Contest and then rematch.

I'm not entirely sure what the rules are in this matter. Yuri Foreman suffered a leg injury against Miguel Cotto (I wouldn't trade places with him), but perhaps he was still able to continue. It also seems that Foreman, much like Cerdan, wanted to win the fight. If Solis's people took the fight to the authorities the result could potentially be changed. If he turns up with a doctors note and mounts a convincing case. But, its a very murky area and Solis may just take this one on the chin, so to speak.

A rematch would settle the matter.

Does it not matter how the injury was caused? As it was caused by him being off balance after a punch then it continues. Where as cuts caused by heads knocking is accidental.

I've heard some reports thy solis has torn his knee ligaments. I think that he should get a rematch if true and the fight should be called a no contest. It could happen around the same time wlad and haye meet.

I think it should stand as a Vitali win personally, in the result of accidental headbutts I would favour a No Contest ruling but its hardly the fault of Vitali that Solis got injured.

Apparently solis ruptured his anterior cruciate ligament and damaged cartilage and will have to have surgery.

I maintain that if he wasn't 40lb overweight it would never have happened, he's an embarrassment.

The problem with the cuban fighters when they defect from Cuba is they get a taste of freedom and don't live as disciplined a lifestyle that they did in Cuba.

I would love to see this changed to a No-Contest. Hard to be sure exactly if Solis' leg was already messed up before he hit the canvas and/or would have fallen over if that glancing blow didn't catch him. But there's still such a big question marks over who would have won without this fiasco, that makes me want to see a rematch. Can't see the result being overturned though, and if that's the case then Solis' career may completely dwindle. I'm dreading how much weight he might put on while he's recovering.

Also, first time I've seen a German crowd boo a boxing match. I guess even they have their limits on what constitutes as entertainment.

Benelio: Also, first time I've seen a German crowd boo a boxing match. I guess even they have their limits on what constitutes as entertainment.
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Can you blame them? They'd paid their euro's, driven their VW's down the autobahn to the stadium, pigged out on bratwurst and premium strength lager and suffered two hours of immeasurably cack euro-trash power rock all in the hope of seeing a decent fight, and that fat flump solis turns up looking like the Michelin Man's big brother, collapses under his own weight like a house of cards and their night of escapism is ruined before it started, leaving them with nothing to look forward to other than waking up in the morning and remembering that they are German.

ArchBritishchris wrote:The punch just seemed to scrape him. Solis was clutching his leg immediately afterwards and stood up hobbiling. From what I gather he was affected by a knee injury. Could be he felt a wush shot, slipped and decided that was close enough. But, more than likely it was a genuine injury, from his reaction anyway.

Ok, from one perspective its farcical and yet another suspect outcome. But, there are injuries in sports and boxing, it happens from time to time. If Solis has genuinely suffered a leg injury there is not much that can be done about it.

He suffered the injury though on the way down after the shot connected. if you watch the slow motiong replay, you see his left leg give after he gets hit. He rushed his title shot to soon. Boxers get critised for taking easy fights too often, but you need the experiance gained in those fights to win championsip matches

Still maintain the punch had some effect as his left leg went awol as soon as the punch landed. Looks like his right knee did give way and reports are he's torn his cruciate and done some carty damage.

Shame, for 2m40s i thought we might actually witness a semi-competitive HW fight involving a KBro

sky sports.com

"But a subsequent examination at Cologne's University Hospital revealed that he had torn his cruciate ligament and damaged cartilage in the fall."

if his cruciate ligament was torn he deserves a medal for not crying for his mummy in the ring.

OasisBFC wrote:sky sports.com

"But a subsequent examination at Cologne's University Hospital revealed that he had torn his cruciate ligament and damaged cartilage in the fall."

if his cruciate ligament was torn he deserves a medal for not crying for his mummy in the ring.

He does Oasis as it's a serious injury, i think he needs to lose a bit weight before he starts putting pressure back on that leg.