Vitali vs Solis dissapointment

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Vitali Klitchsko defeats Solis by KO in the first round,Solis appeared have been hurt by a temple shot too the head and on the way down twisted his knee and couldnt get back up,doubt Klitchsko will give him a rematch and will maybe look for a fight against Haye if Wladamir fails to beat him I aswell as many other people are dissapointed that it didn't go past at least the first round such a shame i thought this was the hardest opponent for Vitali in a few years and he had a sneaky chance and thought it would of went the full 12 rounds.Solis caught Vitali with a few shots before the KO and a had Solis winning the round but in anyways anyone know where the Casey fight will be on? dont believe he will but never know it could be a upset.

Definately shouldn't be classed as a no contest - Vitali did nothing wrong. By the time Solis recovers and gets back in shape Vitali could well be retired.


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by the time solis gets in shape, i think derick chisora would be retiring!

Vitali's reaction is the key. If he'd hit him hard (surely he is in the best position of all to gauge this?) would he have marched across the ring to remonstrate with Solis on the floor?

Quite clearly Vitali's u-turn was once he'd realised that Solis had done his knee. What looks better for Vitali, a stoppage win through injury or one by KO? This is why Vitali changed his tune and suddenly started claiming it was a powerful shot. He also has to protect his deal with RTL, they must be becoming increasingly frustrated....

Why would RTL be frustrated? The Klitschkos are massive stars there that attract huge ratings. If anything its the Klitschkos that that should feel frustrated that they get paid less for fighting top ten ranked opponents than Haye can for fighting Monte Barret or Audley Harrison.

Regardless of how much you pay, you'll want some kind of entertainment in return. Patience must be wearing thin.

Well it isnt. Its not PPV so fans arent paying extra. Viewing figures for the Klitschkos are huge. RTL would be more concerned with resigning them when the contract is up than actually contemplating dropping them. There would be any number of TV networks interested in signing them.

Sean have been in Germany for a Klitschko fight (Chageav) and it is weird over there, there is no undercard worth speaking of and even during the fight no matter how dull the action is (and believe me it is dull) as long as the Klitschko is winning the German fans seem happy.

When I was there the fight was a dull as dishwater and there would have been boos ringing out within a couple of rounds but the German fans lapped it up, they were even cheering jabs.

rowley wrote:Sean have been in Germany for a Klitschko fight (Chageav) and it is weird over there, there is no undercard worth speaking of and even during the fight no matter how dull the action is (and believe me it is dull) as long as the Klitschko is winning the German fans seem happy.

When I was there the fight was a dull as dishwater and there would have been boos ringing out within a couple of rounds but the German fans lapped it up, they were even cheering jabs.

Ahahahahahaha!!! Class Jeff!

Felt the power and I think he lost interest........I'll be honest I've always questionned the hunger of the Cubans..So many disappointments and quitters types. Remember Gonzales..These guys get a taste of American life and the comforts and then drop like flies....

The knee was no excuse for me..fight would've beeen over...

Well God knows, the Germans have had enough time to adapt to watching passive fighters with little or no charisma clearing out divisions lacking in big names. Ottke and Maske made the Klitschkos look like Chacon and Gatti by comparison - if the Germans were filling stadiums for those two, then the idea of dissatisfaction as the performance of the Klitschkos was always going to be virtually impossible.

I think the knee was clearly legitimate. Unless Solis was a 250 pound acrobat in disguise then I cant see how he could have faked his legs twisting the way they did.

He was actually having a good round that many scored to him and the stoppage came at the final bell so it doesnt make sense to me for him to just quit.

How much of an impact the punch had is debateable. It didnt look particular powerful and as others have mentioned, Vitalis reaction didnt seem to indicate he thought it was a legitimate KO punch but it could have caused Solis to back up and shift the weight of his balance.

Given that its transpired he was carying a leg injury into the fight, and the results of his medical examination I think its only fair to say he was genuinely unable to continue.

What impact the punch had...he was going down anyway so it had plenty....

Come on Man....Didn't want to know..body language...

Knee was the best thing to happen to him....Gave him an excuse..

Just a dud like Jose luis Gonzales..

In my opinion Vitali basically lost, as he was behind on my card and only won on a joke of a technicality.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Felt the power and I think he lost interest........I'll be honest I've always questionned the hunger of the Cubans..So many disappointments and quitters types. Remember Gonzales..These guys get a taste of American life and the comforts and then drop like flies....

The knee was no excuse for me..fight would've beeen over...

Guess he hasn't just come out of hospital on crutches with a cruciate liggie injury then. Must be imaging the official reports et all

they do like the american way of life truss apart from casamayor and up to now gamboa,cant think of modern day cubans being hungry for success,if he had a leg injury going in ,it didnt look like it the eway he jumped up and down during the intros

school finished early has it...

You're right Hearnsy.......Like alot of Communist states they lack bottle and desire.....probably because it's been banged into them that everyone is equal back home..

I dont know how many of you have had ACL injuries before. It doesn't take much to tear it. A sudden move one way is all it takes sometimes. It could have happened if he was skipping away from a jab.

And another thing, it takes a hugely brave man to even try and get up from such an injury. It hurts like a MFer trust me on that. I've had one before and the last thing on my mind was getting up.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Like alot of Communist states they lack bottle and desire.....

You are priceless mate, absolutely priceless.

not saying he wasnt legit hurt azania,but looking at his reaction during and afterwards he didnt seem in the slight bothered about what just happened to him he wasnt exacly crying in agony nor was he gutted his title shot just went down in flames after 3 mins,to me he just had a look that said 'its ok i'm still gettin paid'

tommyhearns wrote:not saying he wasnt legit hurt azania,but looking at his reaction during and afterwards he didnt seem in the slight bothered about what just happened to him he wasnt exacly crying in agony nor was he gutted his title shot just went down in flames after 3 mins,to me he just had a look that said 'its ok i'm still gettin paid'

Just shows the calibre of the man for now wimping out. Why do you want some reaction from him. Jeez, it sounds like some here enjoyed the spectacle of the ridiculous collective grieving when Diana died.

The man wrecked his knee and you want him to play to the cameras to satisfy you that he was hurt. That he came out of hospital in crutches is enough.

And Truss, that was a plain silly comment. Many American boxers would cry when given a bad haircut.

Americans prefer drama. Home of Hollywood after all. Think TRUSSMAN66 is just feeling short changed that Solis didnt put on a Dirrell Oscar winner winning performance.

If you are going to dive and quit at least do it with it class and showbiz like Dirrell.

diana!!whats that got to do with it!! i have sprained my knee ligs during a footie match,yes it hurt like a mutha too,helped off the pitch and couldnt drive home,he was walking around the ring shaking hands etc,who cares what some dodgy german xray shows up,yuri foreman did the same thing but survived tiil the 9th against cotto,this donut solis bailed. :run2:

Re: Vitali vs Solis dissapointment
by tommyhearns Today at 3:38 pm


diana!!whats that got to do with it!!


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It was car crash TV.......

tommyhearns wrote:diana!!whats that got to do with it!! i have sprained my knee ligs during a footie match,yes it hurt like a mutha too,helped off the pitch and couldnt drive home,he was walking around the ring shaking hands etc,who cares what some dodgy german xray shows up,yuri foreman did the same thing but survived tiil the 9th against cotto,this donut solis bailed. :run2:

Dodgy German doctors? How very American of you. Can you to point Germany on a map. Come now son, the guy injured his knee badly. That he could walk around shaking hands shows his grapefruits. He could have bawled into the cameras to satisfy Americans, but he stood tall and proud. There was nothing wrong with Yuri Forman. Some dodgy American doctor claimed he had a dodgy knee to avoid the embarassment for his getting beaten by a Peurto Rican. A ready made excuse.

If you tear your ligament in the first then the fight is over. It didnt do Foreman any good carrying on. Seriously what do you expect Solis to do? Try and limp around the ring for the next 11 rounds just to show how tough he is? He would just get battered.

Vitali retired himself from a fight that he was well clear in due to a serious injury as he knew it could do permanent damage. If you are injured seriously then you are injred seriously. Hobbling around wont do you any good.

I think its only fair to give Solis the benefit of the doubt. That fact he had good opening round also should be considered.

I thought he looked disappointed after the fight but it seems Dirrells Hollywood twitching and floods of tears are now the benchmark for determining.

and your a mod?? yikes,whats with the anti yank thingy??sorry to offend you mrs solis

Are we forgetting Solis got up but was waved off by the ref? Why are people talking like he quit?

tommyhearns wrote:and your a mod?? yikes,whats with the anti yank thingy??sorry to offend you mrs solis

Tongue firmly in cheek mate. Pity things get lost in translation. Oh and Mrs Az is a yank From Hotlanta.

ref waved it off becuase he'd reached 10?

Solis was standing up at 10 though. It's not like he was still rolling around on the floor.

Michaels, Sean wrote:ref waved it off becuase he'd reached 10?

He was on his feet before 10. He just couldn't put any weight on it.

Scottrf

I'd hardly call it standing when he's pulling himself along the ropes, and i guess he doesn't need an operation or anything then.

I must be imagining it

It's not a full tear, there isn't just an "all or nothing" when it comes to ligaments like any fiber there is a degree of tear.

He's got a partial tear which has been confirmed as needing an op - what is so hard to understand?

(And the bit past him standing up wasn't directed at you Scottrf, was a general statement to people who seem to doubt he was injured)

Regarding the punch that caused the injury, i have actually seen a similar shot thrown when Maccarrinelli beat Hobson in a rematch a few years ago, just seemed to catch Hobson with a glancing blow. In the interview afterwards Hobson kept on re-iterating that although his head was clear everytime he tried to stand up, his legs just went to jelly. Could it be that the particular position of where the punch landed isrelated to the sturdiness of the legs? Obviously i'm no medical expert, but it does seem like a bit of a coincidence

Coxy, what I was saying is that he made an effort to continue, as opposed to what a few people seem to be suggesting; that his heart wasn't in it. Not that he was OK to continue, just that he tried to.

I don't know the exact terminology but don't you have to have your gloves up and in position to fight when the ref reaches 10? If Solis was that then my backside is a fire engine.

hotlanta!! gotta love them georgia peaches

having seen the fight again ive vome to the conculsion that it was punch that knocked him off balance but didnt hurt, but caused the knee injury. another reason that leads me to beleive solis wasn't hurt was the length of time he sat on his stool after the fight- it was evident he could'nt walk on it.

i'd love to see the rematch- but from what i hear solis isn't guna be around for a while. which is a shame

I don't know how anyone can say that this was a KO due to the punch. It looks clear to me that Solis' knee buckled. He was doing well and he was very unlucky to get injured. The injury to the knee has been confirmed as a tear. I think we were robbed of a competitive hw bout.

I'm confused how anyone can claim his knee injury is anything but legitimate, you can clearly see his knee twist in a direction it shouldn't and its more foolish than brave to try and continue with an injury like that.

imperialghosty wrote:I'm confused how anyone can claim his knee injury is anything but legitimate, you can clearly see his knee twist in a direction it shouldn't and its more foolish than brave to try and continue with an injury like that.

Exactly. Didn't Vit quit when fighting for the title against Bird due to a dodgy shoulder?

It stinks that a fighter with a genuine injury who cannot fight on gets such stick from apparent boxing fans.

Solis had probably won the first round and was looking fairly decent. Hopefully Haye can beat Wlad because he has an easier nights work with big bro.

No one is doubting he's injured..just the fact he took a "half decent " shot and went crashing..

Body language spoke volumes..He's a dud.

Truss, the guy requires knee surgery, no play acting needed. I am actually awaiting surgery for a similar injury, and the fact he managed to get up with 10 seconds is impressive.

Just because he didnt do an Alexander or Dirrell does not make him a quitter.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:No one is doubting he's injured..just the fact he took a "half decent " shot and went crashing..

Body language spoke volumes..He's a dud.

It certainly did. Grasping at your knee tends to indicate a knee injury. Getting up and trying to continue speaks volumes at his bravery. Perhaps he should have dived through the ropes using his good leg.

Solis cant have won the first round. It was a 10-8 to Vitali. He injured his leg but he was also hit legitimately before he went down, albeit from a fairly tame shot.

Up until that point Manos. The punch was not a factor with his knee injury, they have confirmed it was a long standing issue.

I cant credit Vitali with landing a shot that ended the fight because my mother could take a shot like that.

I have watched the footage a few times, I don't think a punch landed at all. The punch whisked by him, a very soft looking shot which clearly wasn't thrown with any intent and Solis injured his leg in moving out of the way. By Vitali's reaction he didn't believe a punch had landed, he would know more than anyone and was evidently livid. The punch had no weight and was more of a defensive shot, Liston and Sharkey would stop complaining after this one. Solis stepped back awkwardly and then clutched his leg straight away, it was a classic football injury. Should be a No Contest and a rematch. It does seem harsh to accuse Solis of taking a dive or not trying hard enough, he can't continue with the use of one leg.

HumanWindmill wrote:
Just my first impressions, and I'll need to see it again a few times in slo - mo before I can form a stronger opinion.

~Heavens above, it was a dead zinger for the fabled phantom punch without Jersey Joe around to screw up things.

The right hook lands on the temple and wobbles him, causing his leg to shoot out as legs are want to do under such circumstance. That Solis was being pushed back and forced to work for 3 min overtaxed his chubby little body, a clear knockout.

All the V2 soft lads giving Solis more than a prayer should be forced to stand in a corner for a month stuffing moon pies.

My stars, his career has been a farce thus far, making him prime WBA fare now.

Sir, Robert Helenius tangles with Sam Peter in a couple of weeks, a man's fight if you like two sluggers colliding instead of cartoonish wannabe contenders like Solis soiling themselves.