Vitali vs Solis dissapointment

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Vitali Klitchsko defeats Solis by KO in the first round,Solis appeared have been hurt by a temple shot too the head and on the way down twisted his knee and couldnt get back up,doubt Klitchsko will give him a rematch and will maybe look for a fight against Haye if Wladamir fails to beat him I aswell as many other people are dissapointed that it didn't go past at least the first round such a shame i thought this was the hardest opponent for Vitali in a few years and he had a sneaky chance and thought it would of went the full 12 rounds.Solis caught Vitali with a few shots before the KO and a had Solis winning the round but in anyways anyone know where the Casey fight will be on? dont believe he will but never know it could be a upset.

I don't think it should be ruled a no contest at all, its not Vitalis fault that Solis got injured

It cant possibly be ruled a no contest. Otherwise every boxer would go down with some kind of ligament injury when they were losing a fight. It would open a massive can of worms.

I can see why the WBC might decide to order a rematch but you couldnt possibly declare it as a NC.

It should be a NC IMO.

It was clearly a knee injury that caused the "knockdown" and not a punch.

manos de piedra wrote:It cant possibly be ruled a no contest. Otherwise every boxer would go down with some kind of ligament injury when they were losing a fight. It would open a massive can of worms.

I can see why the WBC might decide to order a rematch but you couldnt possibly declare it as a NC.

This is spot on, why should Vitali have a win taken away because Solis got injured, should his loss over Byrd be ruled a contest because of the shoulder injury?

So what?

When has an injury ever been a NC? That would make it a RTD.

Referee ruled it a KD, so I dunno how it can be reversed. He was in no position to continue at the end of the count. TKO.

Scott have you been on 606 recently, all the WUMS are proclaiming it heaven with all the grumpy know it alls gone

Are you saying that's me?

Not at all mate, its well worth a read through what they've been saying, some comedy gold in there

Oh OK, defensive instincts on. No, haven't really looked on there much recently, but I've heard what sort of posters are left. What thread were you looking at?

How do you get on the bbc 606 now anyway?

You can still google it, or use your bookmarks.

It was Shantels one about ATG duckers

Fight News, Southpaw and Shantel all in one place is a scary thought

Yeah just seen, thought it would be that one. He seems a bit bitter for a site that he didn't want to be on anymore anyway.

just been on 606 and seen all the wums declaring it was a legit knock down had to come on here to make sure the world hadnt gone mad!!

on a slight note about the no contest, it wouldnt make every fighter go down feining injury in other fights as this has been medicaly tested afterwards and proven to be true. the only thing why im against this being a no contest is that he came into the ring with the injury according to reports so therefore he shouldnt get away with it. if no problems proir to the fight and then happened in the ring i would probably say the no contest would have been the fairest result

How is it a no contest even if the injury is legit? If you can't continue you lose.

because it was a injury not caused by a punch. just like a accidental headbutt. its in the rules

compelling and rich wrote:because it was a injury not caused by a punch. just like a accidental headbutt. its in the rules

Its hard to say if it was caused by a punch or not. The punch caused him to move which caused the injury. For me, its a TKO for Vit.

the punch certainly didnt bust his knee though. im not arguing the case to much as i say he came into the ring with the injury so there fore doesnt deserve to get off. but if some one moving out of the way of a punch does his leg in i dont think its fair to say the other guy beat him

How can you prove it wasn't caused by the punch? Accidental headbutt is different because a headbutt is an infraction of the rules and the doctor is forced to stop it without there being blame on one side. If you have to retire because you pull your leg, break your head, dislocate your shoulder etc it's tough luck. Not saying you're wrong but I've never seen or heard of a rule that an injury which causes you to not make the count would be ruled a NC?

compelling and rich wrote:the punch certainly didnt bust his knee though. im not arguing the case to much as i say he came into the ring with the injury so there fore doesnt deserve to get off. but if some one moving out of the way of a punch does his leg in i dont think its fair to say the other guy beat him

Guess we should now revert to the thinking that Vitali's loss to Byrd should be remembered as a legitimate loss in that case.

I mean he won pretty much every round but as his shoulder went in the heat of battle we should therefore acknowledge Byrd as the legitimate winner....

scott your right in that he didnt make the count but do you think the reason he went down was a punch there fore ruled a knock down? i dont, he got clipped at best and did his knee in at that time from trying to duck the punch. his eyes werent rolling around in his head. straight away he grabs his leg and is in some pain. something he wouldnt be doing if he had just been knocked senseless.

its a difficult one this. i just feel this is a very cheap victory for vitali made even worse by his actions afterwards claiming it was a some great victory. sky team didnt help either. i dont see it as a win for vitali he didnt do anything.

I don't think you can assign it to fully the punch or just to chance. You simply can't be 100% sure about either, no matter what instinct would tell you. But I also don't think it matters. It's a cheap victory but I don't believe that means it shouldn't be one. If Vitali fell on him by accident and he hurt his leg then I'd agree, but as it is tough luck.

coxy- are you arguing against me or with me? im confused. thats the point im making. byrd was not a worthy winner in that fight and shouldnt be remembered for it. it might go down on his record as a win but dont think too many fans will give him credit for it. just like vitali's "win" over solis

If the fight was stopped due to accidental injury, I'd say that should be a no contest. If he trips over his feet or falls out of the ring, its not boxing related or due to his opponent's ability. It isn't Williams's fault if Cintron trips over his leg, he hasn't caused that injury. The Norris vs Tyson fight was ruled a no contest due to a leg injury. According to the WBA, if a fighter is unable to continue due to an accidental injury the fight should be ruled a no contest.

There are situations where fighters continue despite injuries - thats the decision of the fighter's camp. Its at the referees discretion to rule NC, sometimes the situation is unclear and its a tko win. If the fighter pulled out late on due to injury, that could be wear and tear or punches, so its not as evident. I'm sure there are numerous headbutt victims who should be awarded a NC rather than a tko defeat.

Its a rather dissapointing end to the contest, not sure how long it will take Solis to recover. But there should be a rematch. If a result is contested or unclear, the usual course of action is a rematch. Its often difficult to arrange these things, but ideally that should happen.