Two players cited after weekend

Two players have been cited following the RBS 6 Nations match between Ireland and Wales in Dublin on Sunday.

Bradley Davies (Wales) and Stephen Ferris (Ireland) have been cited by the independent Six Nations Citing Commissioner for the match, Achille Reali (Italy), for foul play under IRB Law 10.4(j)*.

The players’ hearings, before an independent Six Nations Disciplinary Committee, will be held on Wednesday (8 February) in London.

*Law 10.4 (j) states: “Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground whilst that player’s feet are still off the ground such that the player’s head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground is dangerous play”.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

miteyironpaw wrote:Refs should be cited for making mistakes and have to publicly explain their thought process.

Or they could just be placed in the stocks and pelted with tomatoes?

Refs will make mistakes. People will also look at incidents and make their own minds up and never be swayed when they wrong, theres clealry still a lot of peopel who bizzarely think Rolland was at fault for the Warburton red.

Refs are held to account on these decisions. Their input is considered in the hearing, and the findings will note any over or under punishment on the field.

Unless we comepltely shift to a system were all decsions are reviewed after the game and the ref is only their as an observer in the game we will continue to get msitakes. In many cases they are difficult to interpret evenst that even with video review its hard to fit them excatly under the laws and the inetnt of the laws. The Ferris incident is a classic example of this. As Dummy says the ref shouldnt be cast as an evil villain for making a decision based on what he saw. Had he not called anything hed get the same stufffing.

Hanging and flogging refs for making a call isnt the way to go. Standards have to be kept up but some of the junk that came out at the world cup was ridiculous. Forcing refs to explain every detail and all this over analysis only adds to the effect you suggested may have influenced Barnes to card Ferris and Pearson hedging his bets on Davies. Rolland was hung out to dry for having the guts to do his job properly.

dummy_half wrote:Mitey
I certainly don't think Barnes deserves any criticism for the Bradley Davies incident - he was following play, which was moving in-field at the time, so didn't see anything. He acted entirely on the recommendation of Pearson, who was very positive in both his description and recommendation of the yellow card. Obviously, it is pretty widely acknowledged both on here and by all the pundits that the recommendation was wrong and that a red was meritted, but the fault there lies with Pearson.

I also think Barnes's call on the Ferris tackle was justifiable - some may disagree with it, but I don't think anyone wold call it a blatant error, rather that it was a marginal call. I also don't think the yellow was about 'evening up', but was genuinely Barnes's interpretation of what he saw (and he couldn't have been much closer to the action in this case).

miteyironpaw wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

miteyironpaw wrote:Refs should be cited for making mistakes and have to publicly explain their thought process.

Or they could just be placed in the stocks and pelted with tomatoes?

Refs will make mistakes. People will also look at incidents and make their own minds up and never be swayed when they wrong, theres clealry still a lot of peopel who bizzarely think Rolland was at fault for the Warburton red.

Refs are held to account on these decisions. Their input is considered in the hearing, and the findings will note any over or under punishment on the field.

Unless we comepltely shift to a system were all decsions are reviewed after the game and the ref is only their as an observer in the game we will continue to get msitakes. In many cases they are difficult to interpret evenst that even with video review its hard to fit them excatly under the laws and the inetnt of the laws. The Ferris incident is a classic example of this. As Dummy says the ref shouldnt be cast as an evil villain for making a decision based on what he saw. Had he not called anything hed get the same stufffing.

Hanging and flogging refs for making a call isnt the way to go. Standards have to be kept up but some of the junk that came out at the world cup was ridiculous. Forcing refs to explain every detail and all this over analysis only adds to the effect you suggested may have influenced Barnes to card Ferris and Pearson hedging his bets on Davies. Rolland was hung out to dry for having the guts to do his job properly.

Don't agree with you. It's the same refs repeatedly letting the sport down.

Don't agree with you. It's the same refs repeatedly letting the sport down

Rolland was hung out to dry for having the guts to do his job properly.

miteyironpaw wrote:Some refs manage to avoid controversy completely.

It seems to be the same names cropping up time and time again.

At a disciplinary hearing in London today, Bradley Davies, Wales lock forward, was suspended for 7 weeks having been cited by the independent Six Nations citing commissioner Achille Reali (Italy), for an incident of foul play in the RBS 6 Nations match between Ireland and Wales in Dublin on Sunday.

The independent Six Nations Disciplinary Committee, chaired by Antony Davies (England) along with John Doubleday (England) and Jean-Noel Couraud (France), having considered the citing report and the television footage and having listened to the player’s explanation, found that the incident, in which the player lifted his opponent beyond a horizontal position but did not bring him to the ground safely contrary to Law 10.4(j) and the IRB’s particular emphasis on this aspect of the game, merited a top end entry to the IRB’s table of sanctions.

The Committee applied an additional two weeks to the entry point of 10 weeks to reflect the need for a deterrent for this type of foul play but, in mitigation, took account of various factors in the player’s favour including his admission of guilt, his previous good disciplinary record and his conduct at the hearing in allowing the maximum possible reduction of five weeks.

Bradley Davies can resume playing on 26 March 2012, and has the right of appeal.

MrsP wrote:
I'm sorry Sobo, my "Scottish" is very limited.

"...it's meant to be used for when one Muppet someone with a cheb"

You'll have to translate that one for me!

Although I suspect it's actually "phonish" not "Scottish", yes?

Chunky Norwich wrote:Brad Davies admitted guilt and had his suspension reduced becauise of it.

I wonder if Ferris will admit guilt?

Mad for Chelsea wrote:seems about right that, Ferris's tackle didn't deserve a ban IMO.

roddersm wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:seems about right that, Ferris's tackle didn't deserve a ban IMO.

It didn't deserve a penalty either.

Chunky Norwich wrote:According to the laws it did I'm afaraid.

roddersm wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:According to the laws it did I'm afaraid.

Only in tag rugby chunky old bean, not in the real game.

roddersm wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:According to the laws it did I'm afaraid.

Only in tag rugby chunky old bean, not in the real game.

eirebilly wrote:Its amazing that some people have such a hatred of another nation that they will not accept a decision simply because its not what they wanted.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

roddersm wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:seems about right that, Ferris's tackle didn't deserve a ban IMO.

It didn't deserve a penalty either.

According to the laws it did I'm afaraid.

MrsP wrote:For those of you who insist this was a tip/dangerous tackle.

From the Skysports web site.


"Following analysis of the video evidence and consideration of the explanation for the tackle, the three-man independent Six Nations disciplinary committee chose not to uphold the citing.

Ferris was given a yellow card for by referee Wayne Barnes for the tackle but will face no further action and will be available for Ireland's clash with France on Saturday.

Ferris reacted to the decision on Twitter by saying: "Thank goodness that is all over. Happy man."

Grievance

But Ireland's sense of grievance over the manner of their defeat will only have intensified, after manager Michael Kearney revealed the hearing felt Ferris' tackle did not justify the penalty that Leigh Halfpenny landed to win the game.

"We are delighted that Stephen has been totally exonerated of ANY wrongdoing by the disciplinary panel and that he is now available for selection against France," Kearney said.

"While we understand and fully support the stance to stamp out dangerous tackles in the game to make it safe at all levels, the disciplinary panel itself felt the decision to award the penalty was incorrect and we also felt that it was a fair and legitimate tackle by Stephen.




Questions?

Cymroglan wrote: I billy it's all ifs and buts mate

MrsP wrote:Glas,

I don't know how many times I can say this.

It is not about what would or wouldn't have happened next!

It is just the fact that some of us have been trying to explain that this was not a penalty and have had, quite frankly, dogs abuse from some posters on here.

We have been accused of whinging,

not knowing anything about rugby,

not understanding the rules,

not being able to read,

not being able to see.


It is not about the result of the game!