Leinster vs Treviso

roddersm wrote:Schmidt just seems to have total faith in his whole squad, young and old.

SecretFly wrote:

geoff998rugby wrote:SF not saying it wasn't a good performance just saying ther opposition would have allowed them the freedom to play. They took it - fair enough but let see how it goes against better defences.

Against a better side, they'd have a tougher game. Of course they would. But I'd guarantee you, they'll still play to their strenghts when they get their opportunity, and will still try to kill off sides with pace and accuracy in attack.

That's what makes me happy because if you compare that blueprint (scientifically managed and consistently demanded) against the game the Irish are playing at the moment where there is absolutely no rhythm, no confidence and no blueprint continuing from one game to the next - the way Leinster do it is the most defined standard on Provincial rugby played on this island. The gameplan is infinitely more important than the players playing it. If the gameplan is a good one, then players of equal standard can step in at a moments notice and play it.

That's why I like what I see at Leinster, that's the grounds for confidence. Now, I know Ireland is a more difficult proposition for coaches who have players available to them for only short period in any year, but rather than trying to impose a confusing gamepland on them - why don't they just adapt the gameplan working so successfully (for now) at Leinster. I know the players from the other Provinces would buy into it, and the players from Leinster who already play it would already be up to speed with it.

I watch Leinster and in structure alone, I see how \ireland should organise itself. Gameplan first, then the players - not the other way around.

roddersm wrote:Yeah super post Secretfly, I wish you and Gibson were the Ireland coaches!

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:

Gibson wrote:Sore,
NO arguments on how he is handling the squad's devolopment. He has introduced and entrusted in more players than Marc Lièvremont on acid. And he has done it brilliantly. Man's a genius at it. Hes doing it again tonight in O' Shea and Hudson.

I just have to have a little moan. Ya know.

Can anyone tell me anything about O Shea and Hudson? Have to be honest and say Ive never seen them play. They must have played in the B&I Cup, no?

1stly. Sore is spot on re Mads. He has a big boot on him. Have seen him land them from his own half. But there is absolutely no hurry in getting him to placekick. The fact that he has not had that weight on his shoulder has enabled him to come on in leaps and bounds in his passing, game management etc. Time enough for him to bear that burden next season. Tonight was his 33rd game for Leinster (he's 22 years old ffs) He landed a tricky one tonight on full time. Go him. (little known Mads fact. His aunt is married to Mick Dawson's little brother)

A year ago, Madigan was behind McKinley. Mckinley looked the real deal at 10, Madigan could have been a 10, or 15, or 9.....etc. But did not look like a serious prospect at all.

In September, Madigan was behind Berquist for sure. Dan Carter's backup becomes Jonny Sexton's backup? I thought Christmas had come early.

Poor old Matt got badly hurt, Ian McKinley never came back from the eye injury, and the lad who looked like an also ran became a star......

O'Shea, Macken and Hudson have been tearing up trees for Leinster A in the B&I Cup.

Macken was bracketed with Andrew Conway as the new "Bod and Shaggy" a few years ago in school. I reckon Macken became a victim of his own physique. 6'2" and powerful with an eye for a gap. He probably never had to work that hard in SCT Rugby. Conway pushed ahead despite his smaller frame and seeming injury prone......ness.

Macken has knuckled down and paid his dues in the B&I (He was injured last season don't forget) and had a pretty good game tonight. Think he could well come good at 13.

When you have Bod in your team, he will always play the big games when fit, for as long as he wants to. (He is good enough to play into his 40s ffs, despite the high mileage) This will create a vacuum behind him, to be filled by.........EOM/MCFad/Macken/who knows.

Hudson is the real deal. Big focker for his age. Massive legs on him.

Gibbo. Living in Nederlands/Niederlande/Eh...Holland you may not have been at this game.

Can't seem to find a direct link. But if you go to http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/mdtv/ and click on archive on the left, and navigate to August 2011. Find the Leinster v Rebels friendly in Donnybrook, and go to 2 minutes in.

It illustrates 3 things. 1/ Carr is a great broken field runner (but you knew that) 2/ Berquist can time a pass like you wouldn't believe. 3 Hudson can finish. (he still had a lot to do when he caught that ball, and it looked even better live)

Must have bed......fading.....drink....etc.....

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:I'd love if Ireland played like Leinster

roddersm wrote:

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:I'd love if Ireland played like Leinster

Wouldn't we all Pete, but it won't happen. Its not the players its the coaches. If you put Schmidt in charge of Ireland then they would play the same way.

Would that be as successful though at International level? I think it would yes.

If you took the spine of Leinster with the likes of Best, Ferris, Bowe, POC, Earls, Trimble, O'Mahoney, Ryan, Zebo, Tuohy, Murray etc. and put Schmidt in charge then there is no limit as to what we could achieve in my opinion.

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

geoff998rugby wrote:SF not saying it wasn't a good performance just saying ther opposition would have allowed them the freedom to play. They took it - fair enough but let see how it goes against better defences.

Against a better side, they'd have a tougher game. Of course they would. But I'd guarantee you, they'll still play to their strenghts when they get their opportunity, and will still try to kill off sides with pace and accuracy in attack.

That's what makes me happy because if you compare that blueprint (scientifically managed and consistently demanded) against the game the Irish are playing at the moment where there is absolutely no rhythm, no confidence and no blueprint continuing from one game to the next - the way Leinster do it is the most defined standard on Provincial rugby played on this island. The gameplan is infinitely more important than the players playing it. If the gameplan is a good one, then players of equal standard can step in at a moments notice and play it.

That's why I like what I see at Leinster, that's the grounds for confidence. Now, I know Ireland is a more difficult proposition for coaches who have players available to them for only short period in any year, but rather than trying to impose a confusing gamepland on them - why don't they just adapt the gameplan working so successfully (for now) at Leinster. I know the players from the other Provinces would buy into it, and the players from Leinster who already play it would already be up to speed with it.

I watch Leinster and in structure alone, I see how \ireland should organise itself. Gameplan first, then the players - not the other way around.

+1
Great post

Gibson wrote:
Its a great time to be a Leinster fan.

Gibson wrote:Thanks for the input Jen. Did you play school-rugby with some of these guys?