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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 08 Feb 2012, 2:59 pm

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Post by Guest Fri 17 Feb 2012, 11:09 pm

Horne unreal in defence and great hands and contact skills. Worrying injury record but apparently his elbow is fine. Bizarre long term injury the arm and elbow no way of protecting it and kept going. Surgery saved it apparently was touch and go

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 11:18 pm

He's better than I initially thought, definatly better than Fa'ainga anyway. Every time Barnes/AAC play together though they look magic. Hardly seems to happen though with AAC covering injuries but when it does it tends to click straight away.

Still my fav midfield combo in rugby

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Post by Guest Fri 17 Feb 2012, 11:20 pm

Barnes makes players look good. He is a ball player think him and Joc could be unreal

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 11:25 pm

Not sure about that one, would need to see it.

I just love it as AAC runs straight, hard and fast. Barnes brings it to the line and just times his passes perfectly. So hard to stop. That game v France was one of best attacking games I've seen from one side. Barnes and AAC pretty much finished Jauzions Int career

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 17 Feb 2012, 11:39 pm

Faainga's defence is the best I've ever seen of any back. Runs some decent lines in attack but not much when it comes to creativity.

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Post by Guest Fri 17 Feb 2012, 11:44 pm

Faingaa is Aussie Barritt. None shall pass if used for a particular game could be a master stroke like when they played Worsley to counteract teams

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Post by Driver Sat 18 Feb 2012, 11:37 am

Fancy a Falcons win today! Be a cold day at KP!
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Post by stnick88 Sat 18 Feb 2012, 12:03 pm

Nah mate irish backs will have too much!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Feb 2012, 12:18 pm

That's what I'm thinking too Nick...

Have I missed predo's?!?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Feb 2012, 3:51 pm

Irish looking better side. Vickers is having a stinker, throw is all over the place.

Irish tactic of give Delon ball, he kicks and Falcons lose lineout working with the wind.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Feb 2012, 4:32 pm

C'mon Falcons!!!!!

Delon is scum

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 18 Feb 2012, 4:43 pm

whats he doing now?

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Post by stnick88 Sat 18 Feb 2012, 4:49 pm

Embarrassing from Irish that fat nice try booth needs to go he is taking us backwards. Delon is just an idiot.

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Post by stnick88 Sat 18 Feb 2012, 4:51 pm

Think u can guess what I mean by nice try

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Feb 2012, 4:54 pm

You see game Nick?

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Post by stnick88 Sat 18 Feb 2012, 4:58 pm

Radio and had a couple of reports from people that watched it. Sounds a shambles. We are dire. Sounds like only Garvey and tagi turned up.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Feb 2012, 5:01 pm

Bowden & JJ played well as did Delon really. We dominated the pack somewhat and you just made bad decisions.

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Post by stnick88 Sat 18 Feb 2012, 5:10 pm

knew your pack would be on top but expected more from our backs

gary gold doing a good job, hope u stay up and put wasps down.

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Post by stnick88 Sat 18 Feb 2012, 5:12 pm

apparently steffon was immense for toulon today and scored a quality try. look forward to seeing that.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Feb 2012, 6:21 pm

Our lineout was a shambles Nick, not sure why you didn't play on that. Our defence was outstanding but zero back play.

JJ looks great in real life but bit of a one trick pony, does a little jump and attempts outside break. Lads got talent though.

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 18 Feb 2012, 6:24 pm

Balls - our lack of a top class kicker is well and truly killing us at the moment, smashed Exeter up front, better all over the park - missed so many kicks, whilst meirles didn't miss one

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Feb 2012, 6:31 pm

Where coming to get yer Wink

Table is beginning to look spicy

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 18 Feb 2012, 6:34 pm

Just seen Lowe catch up on Miles Benjamin. Cracking work.

Not a bad weekend for Sale, happy with a LBP at the gardens especially with Irish losing.

Getting tight at the bottom.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 18 Feb 2012, 7:00 pm

Quins bumming Worcester in the scrum. Nice to see. Mullan and Taumaupeau no mugs but are getting screwed.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Feb 2012, 7:06 pm

Quins are edging a scrum!! Be the first time this season, I'll have to watch this game

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 18 Feb 2012, 7:29 pm

Pooly - if Wasps had Gopperth as our no10We'd be 10-15 points better off since Christmas - RObinsom can't kick for toffee and Davis just isn't a AP player. We missed 5 kicks today that I could have kicked.

Games we should be winning by 6-9 points we are losing. So annoying - we also struggle from lack of ball carriers, one big back would make a load of difference. Just need the weather to turn, bit of sunshine and we will win games as got such a good attacking game.

Lost Flutey again to injury in mid week, and berry and Haughton during the game. One bit of good news is we have 4 buyers lined up - sooner we are away from Wycombe the better!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Feb 2012, 7:36 pm

Hard thing to call Chris, Gopperth doesn't pass so we could have 10 tbp if we had a creative 10.

We were in Irish's 22 today and Gopperth got it and kicked it straight past the goal line, no bounce, just straight out. Our try was a mistake by JJ or Armitage,

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 18 Feb 2012, 7:42 pm

Our forwards get us all the possession and our backs lose it as all nice runners but with no power and just lose the ball or get isolated. If we had a kicking 10 we would have won so many games, as I think Saints aside in the LV we only lose by between 3-6 points per game and Robinson and Davis must both on. Average miss 9-12 points a game with the boot.

Think Young might be in a bit of trouble, went a bit mad at the ref on 80mins - our scrum destroyed Exeter all afternoon, 80th min we had a 5m attacking scrum and would have been a try or at worst a pen from right in frot of the post and the ref blew an Exeter pen. Awful decision - wasps should have won by 10+

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 18 Feb 2012, 11:29 pm

Steve - reports sale are most likely to sign cipriani

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Post by Driver Sat 18 Feb 2012, 11:33 pm

Anyone seen JOC's try for the rebels today? Skins the Crusaders defense!

Cips looks tidy on youtube highlights
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Feb 2012, 11:34 pm

Been trying to find JOC's try, you got a link?

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Post by Driver Sat 18 Feb 2012, 11:35 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsC_NL3_isU&feature=youtu.be

Full highlights of Rebels





Told you Falcons would sneak this one ;-)
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Post by Guest Sat 18 Feb 2012, 11:46 pm

Heard try outrageous.
Amusingly Wayne Barnes huge glos fan but never realise it

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Feb 2012, 11:48 pm

Lovely try, JOC & Dagg supposed to have been superb

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 19 Feb 2012, 3:37 am

I've read about Sale being in advanced talks with Cips. I like the guy and think that if he concentrates on rugby he has an England future, but we would need Macleod at 12 just to steady ship with Tuipouloutu/Leota at 13.

Cipriani and Powell on the Deansgate locks spells disaster though!

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Post by Guest Sun 19 Feb 2012, 9:52 am

How good was nick wood yesterday blinding derby match just watching it now

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 19 Feb 2012, 10:38 am

Good write up by Mike Catt:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/9090792/Six-Nations-2012-time-for-England-to-move-Owen-Farrell-to-fly-half-as-sparkling-Wales-visit-Twickenham.html

He fancies a Barritt/Tuilagi midfield too!

"So here is the first dilemma. Brad Barritt, in my opinion, has done as well as anybody for England in the first two games, so do you drop him in favour of Manu Tuilagi, who appears back to fitness after injury although there is little evidence of form?"

"They are similar – too much perhaps for some tastes – but Barritt is far more skilful than some give him credit for and I could see them working well together.

But that would mean dropping Owen Farrell, I hear you cry. Yes, that would be a difficult call, as the young man has emerged as a very reliable goal kicker and has done little wrong at centre, but perhaps this is the day you switch him to fly-half which, in my opinion, is his natural Test position."


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Post by Guest Sun 19 Feb 2012, 11:07 am

Farrell is a 10 in the making that's for sure.?i think we will beat Wales and am pumped for it. Going with a load of welsh

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 19 Feb 2012, 11:40 am

Never sure what I make of Mike Catt's articles - toruble is that if you play Barritt and Tuilagi you have zero kicking options outside 10, which is ok if Farrell was at 10, but never convinced of Flood's game management ability in the big games and same with Hodgson. So with either of those at 10 you need a 12 or 13 with a kicking game.

Think Greenwood writes the best for the Telegraph - have you seen his report on England. He wants to see Morgan, Lawes, Dickson, Tuilagi and Sharples start, in place of Dowson, Botha Youngs, Barritt and Ashton, but would also like to see Mike Brown given a run out (don't agree with the last bit).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/9089153/Six-Nations-2012-Will-Greenwoods-half-term-report-on-England.html

I think we will beat Wales if we make 3-4 of the changes above - it'd be a stupid error if we tried to outmuscle Wales in the midfield - best bet is to use our better runners and go for tries with an expansive game.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 19 Feb 2012, 11:51 am

Driver - didnt have any sound on the highlights - but was Tyler Bleyendaal playing 10 for Crusaders?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 19 Feb 2012, 11:53 am

You dont have "zero" kicking options as Barritt has a decent boot as seen in previous two games. He can kick just doesn't need to often I guess.

Love Greenwood but he seems to spout a lot of rubbish in his articles. One poor game from Foden and Brown in.....

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 19 Feb 2012, 12:06 pm

Barritt's kicking isnt international standard, Flood's game management isnt good enough in the big games, so really do need a 12 or 13 with a top class kicking game. Sorry but I dont think Barritt has that at all.

Read the article again Pooly, he doesnt say Foden had a bad game at all, but wants Brown to get some game time. I don't agree with him on this as the 6Nations isnt for giving people game time.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 19 Feb 2012, 12:56 pm

I didn't read it Chris, just thought that's what he was suggesting. Not a fan of Greenwoods articles.

We only need a kicking centre if we're going to play a kicking game like Sarries....I'd rather we didn't play like that

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 19 Feb 2012, 1:05 pm

I agree with you, and would be happy if England had centres as good as Roberts and Davies to play the game, but as much as I like Barritt (you might be surprised but I do rate him) - if we get him at no12 and ask him to do the same job as Roberts does against Roberts then there is only going to be one winner. That;s the issue I have with Barritt, don't think he is big enough for his style against the bigger players - he can boss people about in the AP like Allen, Flutey etc.

Thing I find odd is that Farrell does have a good attacking game, not in terms of running but in passing and getting people running off him - it just isnt coming off yet for England. Not sure whether this is lack of good ball, fact he has too similar a passing game to Hodgson, or the backthree arent reading him yet.

I'd definitely bring in Lawes, Morgan, Dickson and Tuilagi into the starting lineup and Sharples onto the bench for Brown.

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Post by Guest Sun 19 Feb 2012, 2:57 pm

You have to have a kicking option in the centres. Barrit will be unlucky to be dropped but long term it's
The sensible option you will never win a world cup with barrit. Attacking wise he is nowhere near tindall when he was in
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 19 Feb 2012, 3:03 pm

Hands are a touch better though!

I never thought NZ would win a WC with Donald at 10, proved me wrong

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 19 Feb 2012, 3:15 pm

How would people rate my backrow if I started playing Liam Gill a bit more? Aussies really rate him.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/liam-gill-is-seen-as-the-emerging-no-7-in-australian-rugby/story-e6frg7o6-1226270168799

Tuilagi showing why he has to start next week for England - if Flood can sort out his kicking then he might make the 22 next week!

The Sarries defence is incredible though

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 19 Feb 2012, 3:22 pm

Though think a lot about their defence could be how they avoid getting yellowcards for constant infringement!

Has Burger got injured? Seems like Saull is playing well every week for them now, looking good again too.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 19 Feb 2012, 3:25 pm

Flood playing well, I'd bring Flood & Manu. Manu looking class.

Gill needs some performances in S15

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 19 Feb 2012, 3:41 pm

Think Tuilagi could become a really special player - type of guy you always have to have two players on, which creates space for the backthree, ideal for England.

Trouble for Tigers is that their backthree isnt the greatest anymore, think they need a few changes, Benjamin will help next year though.

Skivington having a good game.

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