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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 08 Feb 2012, 2:59 pm

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Post by Guest Thu 16 Feb 2012, 10:56 pm

Cullen injured Sykes also struggling. Anyone watch rugby club tonight their breakdown of sharples and may excellent. Pointing out attacking threat and also high ball skills. Sharples should have Ashton's place disagree with may on bench as I want him to play next season.

Same with jj. We have 13s to die for coming through.

Dean Ryan excellent pundit about England job saying rfu don't know what they want and he would not apply as section process not right and England playing same rugby under Lancaster as he is committee choice and not rugby choice. Fantastic pundit average coach

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Post by Steven_Sharks Thu 16 Feb 2012, 11:06 pm

Got rugby club recorded. I really like Greenwood, Morris and Ryan as the pundits. The show seems to have stepped up its game since last season.

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Post by Guest Thu 16 Feb 2012, 11:10 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/mobile/rugby-union/17049773

Indications Morgan and Dickson start. Barritt vunerable due to Farrell being kicker

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 16 Feb 2012, 11:29 pm

Really disheartened with Farrell starting, fail to see what he offers from midfield

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Post by stnick88 Fri 17 Feb 2012, 8:59 am

http://www.espnscrum.com/premiership-2011-12/rugby/story/159634.html

sale and irish in for Cipriani.


Agree Pooly, much rather have Barritt starting over Farrell. Flood or Hodgson can both do goal kicking dont need Farrell starting just for that.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 17 Feb 2012, 9:36 am

Farrell offers kicking, organisation and is very vocal. I would trust his kicking over Floods and Hodgson's any day. He might not offer anything in attack, but if England brought in Tuilagi and Sharples then I think the backline transforms.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 9:49 am

I'd be interested to see him with Flood but alongside Hodgson our 10/12 combo is so blunt it's unreal. Opposition defences are so easy to set up as nothing is ever ran.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 17 Feb 2012, 9:53 am

I've said it before numerous times, I don't want Barritt and Tuilagi as a pairing.

Farrell offers a 2nd option as first receiver and has a better passing game as well as his obvious kicking game.


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Post by dammit_chris Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:19 am

Could be right there about Flood there Pooly - do you think Lancaster would drop Hodgson though? He doesnt seem the sort that would.

I'm not sure that he will start Tuilagi against Wales - do think we run the risk of being run ragged by them next week if we arent careful.

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Post by stnick88 Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:28 am

For me it makes sense to go Barritt and Tuilagi to stop Roberts and Davies building up much momentum. I'd like to see Sharples in for Strettle or Ashton. Probably Strettle thinking about it.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:39 am

I dont think Lancaster will make any changes - but would bring in Lawes for his defence, Tuilagi for his attacking threat and Sharples for a bit of spark on the wings - think you can cause Wales trouble with a bit of speed and flair as no point in just having players that play similar game to Roberts and Davies who arent anywhere near their class as it just means we focus on stopping Wales instead of causing them trouble ourselves!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:40 am

Steve I wasn't advicating a Barritt/Tuilagi midfield (although I think it would be excellent) more that Farrell offers zero attacking threat from midfield and this is something we can't afford.

I look at Farrell and see a 10 playing 12, yes he can pass as in Hodgson passes to Farrell and Farrell spins it out to the next man. But he doesn't fix his man, never threatens the line and really is just another man along the chain of obviousness.

It's no surprise we have so few line breaks as the 10/12 combo offers no threat with ball in hand so the 13/14/15 are fixed early and no space to work in. Similar with the 9 (I'm not using this as excuse for Youngs) but what can he do apart pass to a forward or to Hodgson who just passes it along the line.

We seen with Dickson who initially increased the tempo but then started getting caught at the rucks.

I only see a short term fix of Barritt/Manu but see how people would not think this would work.

Going forward I see Farrell as a 10 with either a crash option at 12 or a hybrid 12.

10. Farrell/Flood
12. Twelvetrees/Tuilagi/Barritt
13. Trinder/May/JJ

I think this would help cover up Farrell's obvious faults. He has some cracking attributes but we can't afford to have a centre who offers nothing in attack.

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Post by stnick88 Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:59 am

spot on pooly


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Post by dammit_chris Fri 17 Feb 2012, 11:04 am

Farrell just needs to adopt an attacking game - will never be a player that runs through people.

Think the problem is that the 12-13 combination currently offers no attacking threat whatsoever - if neither can do anything against Scotland and Italy its a sign that they arent attackers at this level. Barritt great defensive player, but dont see anything else from him.

Think it might go Barritt and Tuilagi in midfield but Barritt will just be a stop gap until someone better comes along.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 11:08 am

Barritt has been the only back to attack the line Chris, he offers a lot more in attack than Farrell. I'm not comparing them as players but Barritt is a more natural centre and it shows.

Of 5 defenders beaten Barritt has 2 of these, nearly 50% of our whole line break stats!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 17 Feb 2012, 11:11 am

Farrell is learning his role at 12 before moving to 10 I think. Same way they did Flood and Wilkinson.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 17 Feb 2012, 11:19 am

That is a sorry state of affairs for a backline to make 5 line breaks against Scotland and Italy. We actually made Lamont and de Luca look like decent attacking centres...

Barritt is a great defender, but honestly don't think he offers an attacking threat that defenders struggle to deal with - hardly saw him pass to the back three at all.

Will see a massive improvement if we bring back Tuilagi - only trouble with him is that he sometimes gets a bit of tunnel vision and doesnt make the simple passes. I'd bring in Sharples too.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 17 Feb 2012, 12:02 pm

We aren't going to go through Wales it's a simple as that. Have one option on the crash ball (Tuilagi the best bet if fit) and have someone with a bit more craft involved. I wouldn't be entirely against Hodgson, Flood, Tuilagi as a midfield.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 1:49 pm

Cipriani linked with Sale eh, be good to see him back in the AP.

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Post by stnick88 Fri 17 Feb 2012, 2:03 pm

on the irish fans forum majority of people saying they do not want him at irish.
i would take him any day of the week.
for all his defensive flaws, he can be a joy to watch in attack.

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Post by Guest Fri 17 Feb 2012, 2:10 pm

irish are known for being flakey this would compound it

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Post by stnick88 Fri 17 Feb 2012, 2:16 pm

but it would also help to get the best out of JJ, Losi, Ojo.

We have a lot of players off at the end of this season including kennedy, hape, hala'ufia, delon, rautenbach. this should free up a big chunk of budget for new players.

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Post by Driver Fri 17 Feb 2012, 2:19 pm

Hape?
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Post by Guest Fri 17 Feb 2012, 2:26 pm

Where is Hape off to?? he has looked quite good every time i have seen him play for irish

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Post by stnick88 Fri 17 Feb 2012, 3:15 pm

nothing is agreed yet but I have heard rumours he is off end of the season.
he has been average for us. looks quite good with bowden at 10 and jj outside him. shame he is injured this weekend.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 17 Feb 2012, 4:01 pm

Just gotten very confused by fault on the site where it says the last comment is always from the author of the article.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 4:07 pm

Any idea's who is on the TV this weekend??

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 17 Feb 2012, 4:13 pm

Bath v Gloucester and Quins v Worcester tomorrow and Saracens v Leicester on sunday.

Also got some championship stuff on tomorrow midday on Sky

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 17 Feb 2012, 4:20 pm

Stade v Toulon also on the box tomorrow I think on ESPN. Doing alright for live rugby this weekend although I will hardly see any of it.

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Post by stnick88 Fri 17 Feb 2012, 4:22 pm

Chisora v Klitschko Saturday night. After Chisora just slapped Vitali at the weigh in, could be an interesting fight!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 4:30 pm

Poor Chisora......he's going to get a humping

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 9:05 pm

Interesting article on players who are going to miss start of S15:

http://m.news24.com/sport24/Rugby/Super15/S15-Injury-wards-already-full-20120216

Dean Fourie - broken bone in hand
Rynhardt Elstadt - ankle ligaments
Juan Smith - due midway through
Coenie Oosthuizen - due midway through
Richie McCaw - Due round 6
Dan Carter - Due round 6
Dan Vickerman - Shoulder & knee issues
Beast - due back in few weeks
Juan Deysal - due back in few weeks
William Alberts - due back in few weeks
Quade Cooper - due back in March sometime

Etc etc

And that's before the season starts!!!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 17 Feb 2012, 9:22 pm

When was the last time McCaw played anything like a full Super 15 season?

Seems to be the saffers who will be light.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 9:26 pm

Seems to be a AB tactic to keep him going, all geared up for Int rugby in NZ.

Loads of injuries in SA!

Barnes, Horne and Pretorious playing well in pre-season. Quite fancy the Tah's as outsiders:

http://m.news24.com/sport24/Rugby/Super15/Super-Sarel-inspires-Tahs-win-20120217

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 17 Feb 2012, 9:37 pm

I can't see past the Reds. Got the same squad I think.

Can't see anything but a struggle for the Force.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 9:45 pm

Force will really struggle. JOC dragged that backline through games last season and I think it was Smith (at Toulon??) who played really well too.

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Post by stnick88 Fri 17 Feb 2012, 9:47 pm

Blues and chiefs will be strong

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 17 Feb 2012, 9:49 pm

Still have a decent back 5 of the scrum with Pocock, McCallman, Sharpe, Brown and Hodgson there. Got Nalaga this year as well.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 17 Feb 2012, 9:50 pm

In fact there pack overall is decent when all are fit.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:00 pm

Forgot about Nalaga, cracking player.

Missus has bugged me into taking her to Falcons tomorrow.....why?!?! Taking her will officially increase our attendance by 33%

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:02 pm

hahaha. I think you will beat Irish. Still can't beleive the Woodburn try which was given last week

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:05 pm

Was shocking, but these things tend to go against you when your struggling.

I've told her to take her boots, she might get a game for Irish at TH. Faan has looked a little past it this season and our lass is a serious scummager!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:08 pm

Will be close. Can see a win for Chiefs at Wasps so could be very important

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Post by Guest Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:44 pm

Seen that coonie and smith round 3 that article says well before midway so here hopes.

The great thing about super 15 is they are owned by respective rfu's so don't rush people back and manage game time.

Mccaw has not trained much for years and is managed and carter plays less games than lesser players as you look after class. Leinster and Munster do this well in rabo.

How fresh do they look in hc and internationals. Ulster on other hand play their stars more

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Post by Guest Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:46 pm

Tahs great shout Barnes Horne apparently been excellent. I think Horne could be best 13 in world I know you don't rate him pooly and he had injuries but he is sensational as a Jason little type

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Post by stnick88 Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:46 pm

Nothing wrong with big faan! But he will be blowing after 5 mins so get your wife warmed up early

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Post by Guest Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:47 pm

Just watched jj try he is guscott all over again. So smooth

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Post by Guest Fri 17 Feb 2012, 10:47 pm

Pooly does not know how to warm up his wife that's why she took up rugby!!!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 17 Feb 2012, 11:01 pm

I know how to warm her up.....stick her on a treadmill with a mars bar dangling in front!

Not that I don't rate Horne I just don't think he's that great. Has changed his game slightly over the last year, always looked underpowered but seems to have bulked up. Looked decent in the WC, still think Aus look best with Barnes/AAC in midfield.

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Post by Guest Fri 17 Feb 2012, 11:07 pm

For me aac as 14 works better dynamite defence and rugby intelligence. Like teddy sheringham he lacks a yard of pace but more than makes up for it with vision and intelligence. Rarely see him make a mistake.

Intelligence is so vital. Look at Haskell has everything but a brain. Spies AJ Powell kankowski sob all super in some respects but zero rugby intelligence

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