The Official 2013 Wales v England bickering thread.

[HERSH]

First topic message reminder :

2013 bickering thread

OK, every year we see threads that actually contain really good rugby discussion derailed by the ongoing Wales vs England bickering and WUMMING! I will name no names. I guess we have all been guilty.

Since most of the general bickering comes from the respective fans of Wales and England ; I thought I would create a thread for it in an effort to keep decent rugby discussion relatively WUM free in other threads.

Let it commence

[rainbow-warrior]

Abba is culturally swedish, but they still sing in english..

Just to satisfy their ancestors that settled in Briton.

[mystiroakey]

lol rainbow-- Love the argument of blameing the brits for collonisation. On the whole the ones that killed and took over are of course the ones still there !!!!

You can only blame the kiwis that settled there end off..

Love the hate.. and the trying to get out of it attitude0- The kiwis that settled took the land!!

[rainbow-warrior]

i think a better example would be catalans to spainish etc. That is more similar when it comes to welsh v english..

The difference between spain and france is that it has true borders through language media and politics

We have the same media, the same language and are in the eyes of the UN one.. just like spains situation

Same language?? Really

yes really.. English is your main language.. if you didnt know.. We even have a celtic language down in the west country- Doesnt mean its there main language!!

English is hardly spoken by the locals in my town pal, do not get the impression the english even belongs to england either. remember its a made up language and pretty much new in the scheme of things. I doubt many english would recognise their language 150 years ago. Welsh ain't changed that much in over 2,000 years. Getting a picture yet? how can you be a race of people when you ain't got a stable language?? Without a language you ain't got a culture.

[Pete C (Kiwireddevil)]

Folks, just a reminder, bickering on this thread is fine, calling other posters names ISN'T.

If you're too stupid or too stubborn to bicker without name-calling I'll arrange some time out.

[rainbow-warrior]

lol rainbow-- Love the argument of blameing the brits for collonisation. On the whole the ones that killed and took over are of course the ones still there !!!!

You can only blame the kiwis that settled there end off..

Love the hate.. and the trying to get out of it attitude0- The kiwis that settled took the land!!

It's a no brainer mate, westminster has already paid out hundreds of millions of quid to Maori already and much moe to go. Your tax too hahaha

[mystiroakey]

Rainbow what you are forgetting is that the kiwis have also!!- in tax benefits and stuff

both at fault and both paid- fine by me

[rainbow-warrior]

Rainbow what you are forgetting is that the kiwis have also!!- in tax benefits and stuff

both at fault and both paid- fine by me

Just over 4 million in NZ, if you take all the Asians, S Africans, Welsh etc etc who reside here I think you will find the vast majority comes from the pockets of the Brits via westminster. Not rocket science is it.

Then there are 3 odd million in Wales and 5 million in Scotland! I am sure the Maori are appreciative of the english tax payers cash. What goes around come around aye

[Geordie]

Rainbow...the alternative arguement could be that a country that hasnt changed in 2000 years or so hasnt evolved / developed.

The English might have a mixed language from everywhere but its the most dominant language in the world.... We have influenced the rest of the world in that the buiness and international language is now English...so it is a very widely recognised language.

How long ago did you leave your beloeved Wales to move half way round the world?

[mystiroakey]

Rainbow what you are forgetting is that the kiwis have also!!- in tax benefits and stuff

both at fault and both paid- fine by me

Just over 4 million in NZ, if you take all the Asians, S Africans, Welsh etc etc who reside here I think you will find the vast majority comes from the pockets of the Brits via westminster. Not rocket science is it.

Then there are 3 odd million in Wales and 5 million in Scotland! I am sure the Maori are appreciative of the english tax payers cash. What goes around come around aye

your welsh arnt ya..

anyway no skin of my nose dude.. but to be honest we should sue em for teying to make out rugby is there game

[thebluesmancometh]

English isn't the dominant language on the planet, infact isn't it near 5th most used?

[rainbow-warrior]

Rainbow...the alternative arguement could be that a country that hasnt changed in 2000 years or so hasnt evolved / developed.

The English might have a mixed language from everywhere but its the most dominant language in the world.... We have influenced the rest of the world in that the buiness and international language is now English...so it is a very widely recognised language.

How long ago did you leave your beloeved Wales to move half way round the world?

Are you really going with the most dominant language in the world?

Who has influenced the world...the englsih? What industry do you have in england now? Mostly a country where the workforce makes items for foreign industry I would argue. What has my moving got to do with it? You know how many of your lot are over in NZ? Pointless avenue to go down innit!

[mystiroakey]

English isn't the dominant language on the planet, infact isn't it near 5th most used?

its the international second language- thats the important point to understand. Offcourse mandarin and all that are more commonly spoken as a first language- its kind off irrelevant.

English is the language used most for the world to communicate with one another.

And the language of music.. The best music in the world..

[Scrumpy]

English isn't the dominant language on the planet, infact isn't it near 5th most used?

That may be, but English is the official international language used for the aviation and maritime industries no matter what country you're in or from.

[rainbow-warrior]

Rainbow what you are forgetting is that the kiwis have also!!- in tax benefits and stuff

both at fault and both paid- fine by me

Just over 4 million in NZ, if you take all the Asians, S Africans, Welsh etc etc who reside here I think you will find the vast majority comes from the pockets of the Brits via westminster. Not rocket science is it.

Then there are 3 odd million in Wales and 5 million in Scotland! I am sure the Maori are appreciative of the english tax payers cash. What goes around come around aye

your welsh arnt ya..

anyway no skin of my nose dude.. but to be honest we should sue em for teying to make out rugby is there game

Yes i am Welsh but it's the englis who are paying the vast majority of the cash back to the Maori that must be evident by population.

Damn forgot this was a Rugby site

[RubyGuby]

"That may be, but English is the official international language used for the aviation and maritime industries no matter what country you're in or from..
VictorU3"

It may be but it didn't work that well this week did it

[mystiroakey]

per capita the welsh and english are paying the same pal..

Anyway this really is nonsense isnt it..

Good on them for trying to get back what they are deserved.

[rainbow-warrior]

English isn't the dominant language on the planet, infact isn't it near 5th most used?

That may be, but English is the official international language used for the aviation and maritime industries no matter what country you're in or from.

Hahaha you'd think that england own this language called english. In America it's called American. It is America who made it the international language! Sorry state of affairs.

[Geordie]

Rainbow...the alternative arguement could be that a country that hasnt changed in 2000 years or so hasnt evolved / developed.

The English might have a mixed language from everywhere but its the most dominant language in the world.... We have influenced the rest of the world in that the buiness and international language is now English...so it is a very widely recognised language.

How long ago did you leave your beloeved Wales to move half way round the world?

Are you really going with the most dominant language in the world?

Who has influenced the world...the englsih? What industry do you have in england now? Mostly a country where the workforce makes items for foreign industry I would argue. What has my moving got to do with it? You know how many of your lot are over in NZ? Pointless avenue to go down innit!

I was merely referring to your argument that your language was untouched for 2000 years...yet spoken by so few...yet the derided English language is the common international / business language.

As to your moving...i simply find it amusing when people defend their birth country to the max yet move half way around the world to get away from it...

[mystiroakey]

No its not called american in america. Its called english!!

and us brits invented america

Anyway what the heck is your beef dude..

This is becoming abit weird. I think i am suspecting that you are mitey(who may have been GG and AWOP) in a new persona..

[rainbow-warrior]

per capita the welsh and english are paying the same pal..

Anyway this really is nonsense isnt it..

Good on them for trying to get back what they are deserved.

They are not trying they have done it and please explain how you work this amazing financial impossibility out? What is the population of england to Wales? Economics was never my field but even I can see that there is a little problem with your answer

[Geordie]

Hahaha you'd think that england own this language called english.

Youve just said above that our langauge - the English one is rubbish...made up from languages all over...so yes OUR language.

In America it's called American.

Actually its called English in America aswell....

[RubyGuby]

So we're at "my language is bigger than yours" Why did I bother coming back on here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mystiroakey]

per capita the welsh and english are paying the same pal..

Anyway this really is nonsense isnt it..

Good on them for trying to get back what they are deserved.

They are not trying they have done it and please explain how you work this amazing financial impossibility out? What is the population of england to Wales? Economics was never my field but even I can see that there is a little problem with your answer

maybe you should google what per capita means- it takes population out of the equation.. maybe your not GG, i doubt he was that stupid

[lostinwales]

Oakey - RW might be right - after all the parts of Wales which still hold on to day to day use of that ancient language are not exactly known for their prosperity

[rainbow-warrior]

No its not called american in america. Its called english!!

and us brits invented america

Anyway what the heck is your beef dude..

This is becoming abit weird. I think i am suspecting that you are mitey(who may have been GG and AWOP) in a new persona..

No pal, you are getting peed off because you are losing the argument. Ask an American what language he speaks, I think you'll find the answer is AMERICAN. You were kicked out of America a few hundred years ago after getting your asses kicked. I think you'll also find out that it was not an englishman who found America and you will also find out that there are more American Presidents who were Welsh desendants.

No beef here....prefer SHEEP

[mystiroakey]

[mystiroakey]

you worked out what per capita means yet?

[RubyGuby]

No beef here...must be TESCO's [/quote]

[Cyril]

What are the differences "culturally" between England and Wales?

You are the foreigner, but as always you want the answers 'cos your english. Educate yourself, if not go listen to ABBA

Come on, I'd be interested to hear your answer. I don't seem much difference at all so am happy to be educated by your good self. Show me these glaring differences!

Having said that, you loved Wales so much you moved away, so maybe you're no the right person to ask in terms of 'Welshness'.

[mystiroakey]

every single american i have ever chatted to know they speak english, and i speak to 100's on imdb. not one if them has ever mentioned they speak american- ever!!

[rainbow-warrior]

Oakey - RW might be right - after all the parts of Wales which still hold on to day to day use of that ancient language are not exactly known for their prosperity

Not exactly slums either pal, but perhaps you can develop that idiotic statement and compare to your perfect green and pleasnat land...yeah right.

[rainbow-warrior]

every single american i have ever chatted to know they speak english, and i speak to 100's on imdb. not one if them has ever mentioned they speak american- ever!!

Sure you do

[mystiroakey]

you worked it out yet RW?

[Pete C (Kiwireddevil)]

Rainbow what you are forgetting is that the kiwis have also!!- in tax benefits and stuff

both at fault and both paid- fine by me

Just over 4 million in NZ, if you take all the Asians, S Africans, Welsh etc etc who reside here I think you will find the vast majority comes from the pockets of the Brits via westminster. Not rocket science is it.

Then there are 3 odd million in Wales and 5 million in Scotland! I am sure the Maori are appreciative of the english tax payers cash. What goes around come around aye

your welsh arnt ya..

anyway no skin of my nose dude.. but to be honest we should sue em for teying to make out rugby is there game

Yes i am Welsh but it's the englis who are paying the vast majority of the cash back to the Maori that must be evident by population.

Damn forgot this was a Rugby site

The vast majority of treaty settlements are being paid via Wellington (and New Zealanders' taxes) not Westminster - while I vaguely think I remember something about Westminster making a small contribution years back it appears (after a fair amount of Googling) that Britain ISN'T making vast payments to Maori.

Sorry for letting the facts get in the way of a good story.

[rainbow-warrior]

What are the differences "culturally" between England and Wales?

You are the foreigner, but as always you want the answers 'cos your english. Educate yourself, if not go listen to ABBA

Come on, I'd be interested to hear your answer. I don't seem much difference at all so am happy to be educated by your good self. Show me these glaring differences!

Having said that, you loved Wales so much you moved away, so maybe you're no the right person to ask in terms of 'Welshness'.

I do not take the bait of people like you. I have read too many of your educated posts. Mind you I would be interested to know how english spread throughout the world if you loyal bunch stayed at home hahahahaha What an immature point of view, but your opinion is important so jolly well done

[lostinwales]

I think you will find that the majority on both sides of the 'American' war of independence were actually English, and that a major reason for things kicking off in the first place was England trying to recover the costs of fighting an expensive war to stop America being taken over by the French.

The English government did handle that side of things badly. But then they only really lost the war because the French helped the rebels so much.

[mystiroakey]

what is commonly used is english (us) to describe english in the states- They dont like using U's

but it is never and i mean never ever called american!! even they are not that stupid RW

[Cyril]

Welsh ain't changed that much in over 2,000 years.

That explains why when you hear 'Welsh' spoken almost every other word is English. It needs to evolve or it just can't be used to speak about facets of modern life. You haven't even got a word for microwave unless you count "popty ping"

[OzT]

Well we speak strine.. and English too sometimes..

** pointless add to a debate, leaving now!!! **

[Cyril]

What are the differences "culturally" between England and Wales?

You are the foreigner, but as always you want the answers 'cos your english. Educate yourself, if not go listen to ABBA

Come on, I'd be interested to hear your answer. I don't seem much difference at all so am happy to be educated by your good self. Show me these glaring differences!

Having said that, you loved Wales so much you moved away, so maybe you're no the right person to ask in terms of 'Welshness'.

I do not take the bait of people like you. I have read too many of your educated posts. Mind you I would be interested to know how english spread throughout the world if you loyal bunch stayed at home hahahahaha What an immature point of view, but your opinion is important so jolly well done

So, those differences are...?

[mystiroakey]

"The vast majority of treaty settlements are being paid via Wellington (and New Zealanders' taxes) not Westminster - while I vaguely think I remember something about Westminster making a small contribution years back it appears (after a fair amount of Googling) that Britain ISN'T making vast payments to Maori.

Sorry for letting the facts get in the way of a good story."

thanks i knew that was the case..

Dont want to add to a war- but is this guy just on a wum!! Nothing he says is true

I think i will get out for a bit.. sorry if i helped start this

[rainbow-warrior]

Rainbow what you are forgetting is that the kiwis have also!!- in tax benefits and stuff

both at fault and both paid- fine by me

Just over 4 million in NZ, if you take all the Asians, S Africans, Welsh etc etc who reside here I think you will find the vast majority comes from the pockets of the Brits via westminster. Not rocket science is it.

Then there are 3 odd million in Wales and 5 million in Scotland! I am sure the Maori are appreciative of the english tax payers cash. What goes around come around aye

your welsh arnt ya..

anyway no skin of my nose dude.. but to be honest we should sue em for teying to make out rugby is there game

I would dig a little deeper Kiwi, Wellington and NZ just aint got the financial clout although I am sure you would love to think NZ is that financially well off. Like I said already 4 million people in NZ, ain't exactly a tax haven and very little industry that creates much finance in the great scheme of things. All the banks bar one are Australian owned and most goods are made in China. Oh and don't give me the Frontera one, it's just dairy products.


Yes i am Welsh but it's the englis who are paying the vast majority of the cash back to the Maori that must be evident by population.

Damn forgot this was a Rugby site

The vast majority of treaty settlements are being paid via Wellington (and New Zealanders' taxes) not Westminster - while I vaguely think I remember something about Westminster making a small contribution years back it appears (after a fair amount of Googling) that Britain ISN'T making vast payments to Maori.

Sorry for letting the facts get in the way of a good story.

[rainbow-warrior]

what is commonly used is english (us) to describe english in the states- They dont like using U's

but it is never and i mean never ever called american!! even they are not that stupid RW

Were microwaves around 2,000 years ago? But we won't even start to go through the 1000's of foreign words used in the english language

For the other engerlish guy.

Your reply not worthy of an answer.

[lostinwales]

See how a thread full of banter and a little wit and wisdom crashes under the weight of a fanatic's point of view

[rainbow-warrior]

See how a thread full of banter and a little wit and wisdom crashes under the weight of a fanatic's point of view

Totally agree. .. and see how they sulk when fact's slap them in the chops.

[Scrumpy]

RW

Look at your PC settings you will find two Languages for English

English UK & English US

Very similar but only one spells words correctly.

RW How would you spell Harbour?

[RubyGuby]

Rainbow! Rainbow! Rainbow! Rainbow! Rainbow! Rainbow!

Go boy and don't forget about Rorke's Drift

[RubyGuby]

Harbour is easy for you guys as it's just Barbour without the H

[rainbow-warrior]

Rainbow! Rainbow! Rainbow! Rainbow! Rainbow! Rainbow!

Go boy and don't forget about Rorke's Drift

Why would I want to remember an english regimen?

[Cyril]

rainbow, you still don't understand the difference between British and English, do you?

[Sponsored content]