The Official 2013 Wales v England bickering thread.

[HERSH]

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2013 bickering thread

OK, every year we see threads that actually contain really good rugby discussion derailed by the ongoing Wales vs England bickering and WUMMING! I will name no names. I guess we have all been guilty.

Since most of the general bickering comes from the respective fans of Wales and England ; I thought I would create a thread for it in an effort to keep decent rugby discussion relatively WUM free in other threads.

Let it commence

[Scrumpy]

Most Boyo's don't to be fair Cyril, don't single out RW he might get angry!

[rainbow-warrior]

rainbow, you still don't understand the difference between British and English, do you?

Que? Tell me

[Cyril]

rainbow, you still don't understand the difference between British and English, do you?

Que? Tell me

Well, you seem to have this idea of an 'English' Army and an 'English' Monarchy. They don't exist.

Or are they just 'English' when Britain does something of which you don't approve?

That last one was a rhetorical question, by the way.

[mystiroakey]

19 dragons 20 the mighty WASPSS

[RubyGuby]

19 dragons 20 the mighty WASPSS

I think a Dragon scored your points mate

[Cyril]

Most Boyo's don't to be fair Cyril, don't single out RW he might get angry!

He was born angry!

[rainbow-warrior]

Most Boyo's don't to be fair Cyril, don't single out RW he might get angry!

He was born angry!

You both wish, unfortunately your remarks sadden me.

It'll be hell freezing over before a sais makes me angry, but your opinions are important and I encourage you to vent your feelings.

Big respect to your language of many languages and your belief that you somehow still rule the world.

You have given me a good night of amusement...I thank you and good night

[Scrumpy]

Strange chap!
You meet all sorts on here.

Should GSTQ be played at the MS for both teams?

[Guest]

rainbow warrior?
Fighting for gay rights?

[gregortree]

All that snow & locked in boredom has certinly ignited the tetchiness on this thread today.

[gregortree]

All this 'ethnicly' cleansed type stuff all over again, how many times ? oh yaaaaawn

[gregortree]

[rainbow-warrior]

Strange chap!
You meet all sorts on here.

Should GSTQ be played at the MS for both teams?

No one stranger than you me old son.

Thank you for opinion it is important.

gstq = god the save the queen? give me more sitting down time trying to whistle my out of tune whilst you stand to two made up people

[Scrumpy]

blah...

[Morgannwg]

HERSH is an idiot should be someone's national anthem.

[mystiroakey]

one thing i agree with warrior on is gstq..

morg you really dont like hesrybar do you?

[rainbow-warrior]

I am not here to be agreed with or disagreed with, I have my opinions and that's that. I have studied Welsh history in detail and it is just a suggestion that those who think the Welsh are a bunch of 'hicks' watch The Story of Wales, not seen it myself but have read the book and it is a great starting point. Especially if the English want to see how the Welsh born King (Penmynydd, Ynys Mon) changed the entire face of Briton and that 95% of the Welsh nation did not speak English.

No more from me here, I do not need to explain for Dummies.

[mystiroakey]

as you can tell i dont agree with anything else you say..

Btw i can agree and disagree with you all i like, its a free world.. But the main problem with you is your inaccuracies.. You need to buy that explain book for dummies your self..

[Luckless Pedestrian]

I doubt many english would recognise their language 150 years ago. Welsh ain't changed that much in over 2,000 years.

Two statements, neither of them accurate.

1) Dickens wrote Great Expectations just over 150 years ago. Do you really think people today struggle to understand it?

2) The earliest Welsh poetry (from the 6th century) is incredibly difficult to read without notes. The language has changed hugely since then.

[Scrumpy]

one thing i agree with warrior on is gstq..

morg you really dont like hesrybar do you?

I have to be honest I can't stand GSTQ it's not England’s anthem, it's all of ours hence why/maybe it should be played for both teams and supporters to sing.
I get the feeling Morgannwg and Rainbow-Warrior don't seem to like anyone mystiroakey to be honest, so I guess they have other motives other than to discuss rugby matters.

[gregortree]

I would not surprise me to find that Welsh has not changed in 2000 years.
This would explain a few other Welsh phenomena too, like why it is still 1972.

[Scrumpy]

Very good Gregor.
Whats the latest on Burns leg?

[Pal Joey]

I don't buy that last comment, Gregor. Surely the sideburns are more streamlined these days?

[lostinwales]

I would not surprise me to find that Welsh has not changed in 2000 years.
This would explain a few other Welsh phenomena too, like why it is still 1972.

Some people like living in the 70's

I always used to rationalize the money you pay on the Severn bridge as an entry fee to a 50's theme park rather than a toll.

(And if they did want to boost the Welsh economy the WA should be working on getting rid of the toll rather than just taking over the revenue from it...)

[Luckless Pedestrian]

I would not surprise me to find that Welsh has not changed in 2000 years.

I've already explained that is has changed a hell of a lot. All languages evolve.

[Scrumpy]

How much is the new bridge these days?

[Pal Joey]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Is there a toll both ways?

[mystiroakey]

I did find rw's srguments for english changing is that it has to add words like microwave because they didnt exist before..

Does this logic not apply to the welsh laguage?

Is there no word for microwave?




you pay to go into wales- but you dont pay going into england.. it was £7.20 last time i went on it (i think)- playing celtic manor

[lostinwales]

Toll is only on entering Wales - its free to leave

Entry is 6.20 for cars 12.40 small goods 18.60 big stuff

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Mysti, yes, there is a Welsh word for microwave: meicrodon.

When there was only one Severn bridge, the toll was collected on the English side, so you'd be paying to to get into England. That might still be the way they do it on the old bridge, I don't know.

[Pal Joey]

How long would it take for you to drive from Newport to say Bath, Lucky? Under an hour?

[gregortree]

Victor, a tweaked medial knee ligament. They took him off at 12 minutes, so avoided any heroics about playing on and doing more damage. I get the feeling it is fixable with some rest.

[rainbow-warrior]

I doubt many english would recognise their language 150 years ago. Welsh ain't changed that much in over 2,000 years.

Two statements, neither of them accurate.

1) Dickens wrote Great Expectations just over 150 years ago. Do you really think people today struggle to understand it?

2) The earliest Welsh poetry (from the 6th century) is incredibly difficult to read without notes. The language has changed hugely since then.

I would hazzard a guess you would need notes to understand Welsh today. Welsh history and the continuation of the language comes from Gwynedd and Powys. Most Welsh speaker would find it difficult to follow poetry at Eisteddfods today, nothing much changed there, just dialect and simplification, the pure language is still there.

Still arguing with people from a country that has no real history ..... yawn

[Luckless Pedestrian]

I doubt many english would recognise their language 150 years ago. Welsh ain't changed that much in over 2,000 years.

Two statements, neither of them accurate.

1) Dickens wrote Great Expectations just over 150 years ago. Do you really think people today struggle to understand it?

2) The earliest Welsh poetry (from the 6th century) is incredibly difficult to read without notes. The language has changed hugely since then.

I would hazzard a guess you would need notes to understand Welsh today. Welsh history and the continuation of the language comes from Gwynedd and Powys. Most Welsh speaker would find it difficult to follow poetry at Eisteddfods today, nothing much changed there, just dialect and simplification, the pure language is still there.

Still arguing with people from a country that has no real history ..... yawn

No, I speak Welsh fluently. And Welsh has changed a great deal since Taliesin and Aneurin, just as English has changed since Chaucer.

Breaker: it would take an hour or so, I think.

[gregortree]

English is a mongrel, dynamic, forward looking language, not too proud or too ossified to learn, improve, adapt, and incorporate new ideas and concepts. It has become so successful it is the defacto langauge of international business and the official langauge of international air and marine navigation.
Welsh......

[Pal Joey]

Breaker: it would take an hour or so, I think.

OK. So not that far really. You should take Lola for a drive across the bridge one day. She can sniff out a few things, tail wagging, etc.

[gregortree]

On a more positive note from the Beeb wesite:
A Welsh holidaymaker has been hailed a hero for wrestling a shark that was swimming towards children on a beach in Queensland, Australia.
Paul Marshallsea, 62, from Merthyr Tydfil, grabbed the two-metre long shark by the tail on Bulcock Beach and dragged it out to deeper water.
He narrowly missed being bitten as the shark suddenly lunged at his leg.Mr Marshallsea said: "When I got the shark to just over knee deep he turned on me and just missed me with a bite.
Fair play that man from Merthyr

[lostinwales]

English is a mongrel, dynamic, forward looking language, not too proud or too ossified to learn, improve, adapt, and incorporate new ideas and concepts. It has become so successful it is the defacto langauge of international business and the official langauge of international air and marine navigation.
Welsh......

Welsh is spoken in small parts of Argentina. In fact the WA gives money to help support Welsh language teaching there.

[Luckless Pedestrian]

It's not far at all, Breaker. I'd have to dig out my passport first, of course.

[Scrumpy]

On a more positive note from the Beeb wesite:
A Welsh holidaymaker has been hailed a hero for wrestling a shark that was swimming towards children on a beach in Queensland, Australia.
Paul Marshallsea, 62, from Merthyr Tydfil, grabbed the two-metre long shark by the tail on Bulcock Beach and dragged it out to deeper water.
He narrowly missed being bitten as the shark suddenly lunged at his leg.Mr Marshallsea said: "When I got the shark to just over knee deep he turned on me and just missed me with a bite.
Fair play that man from Merthyr

Nutter.

[gregortree]

Passports ?
Will we have to show these to Alex Salmond if he gets his way ?
Not sure I can be arsed with all that just to see Edinburgh or Scotlan play.
We do not have a Scots bickering thread, so doodled on this one.

[lostinwales]

I remember a couple of years ago an animal that was previously unknown to science was discovered around Swansea. Its a small, carnivorous, white slug

[Pal Joey]

It's not far at all, Breaker. I'd have to dig out my passport first, of course.

and get your tetanus jabs...

We've had a few sharks hanging around the city beaches too Victor. Some have even come 15km upriver. (not great whites... but bull sharks which are fairly aggressive and have killed a few people over the years).

[Guest]

That shark thing was unreal. Just saw it on the news.

Zooport to Bath is 45 mins tops.

Bridge is £6.20 for cars aye. I think the old toll has always been leaving England (it is now) whereas the new one is on the Welsh side. Flipping joke. At least £6 was a round number though.

[gregortree]

Zooport to Glaws is about the same train time. We have some Dragons' mates who come to Glaws when we draw them in the Anglo Welsh cup (LV= nowadays)

[RubyGuby]

I remember a couple of years ago an animal that was previously unknown to science was discovered around Swansea. Its a small, carnivorous, white slug

That would be Austin Healey

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Zooport to Glaws is about the same train time. We have some Dragons' mates who come to Glaws when we draw them in the Anglo Welsh cup (LV= nowadays)

See, we all get on really!

[gregortree]

Luckless
If we get drawn again there'll be a pint of Doombar in the Kingsholm waiting for you. Be better than that Brains muck they make you drink over the Severn.
PS: isn't Newport English anyway ?

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Doom Bar, now there's a good !

[gregortree]

it is Luckless, one of my fave W Country pints.

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