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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTSoD4BBCJc
I have to admit i am looking forward to this film more then any other this year , i have loved the story ever since i read the book when i was 9 years old ( a long long time ago )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTSoD4BBCJc
I have to admit i am looking forward to this film more then any other this year , i have loved the story ever since i read the book when i was 9 years old ( a long long time ago )
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Now you have him! - You don't think he's a fruitcake???
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Of course! How could I not cop it earlier, a fruit n' nut case for sure!
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Tom Bombadil is one of the most interesting characters in Tolkiens world, he lived on Arda before the Elves came westward and can remember its creation, he also puts the ring on and it has no effect on him
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He's also the world's first psychedelic grass-smoking hippie who can turn his hand at some godawful tunes.....
But yes, he also can wear the ring without sobering up....
But yes, he also can wear the ring without sobering up....
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It's also ridiculous hard to understand and doesn't seem to add anything to the plot.
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cant see tom bombadil featuring in the hobbit, if he wasnt in lotr where he featured cant see him being in this.
as crimey suggests he also very difficult character to put in, especially considering jacksons more darker less fantasy take on the lotr, heard alot of people complain about him not featuring in the films but i can totally understand, he totally undermines the power of the ring something which jackson had spent three movies building up
as crimey suggests he also very difficult character to put in, especially considering jacksons more darker less fantasy take on the lotr, heard alot of people complain about him not featuring in the films but i can totally understand, he totally undermines the power of the ring something which jackson had spent three movies building up
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I wouldn't be looking for Tom to be included but given there is going to be three movies and therefore inevitably an extension of The Hobbit as it was originaly written, there would definitely be time and a place for him as his age is kinda...well, he's a character that seems to have no definable age - ageless or very long lived.
But no - he'd be unsuitable as he's much more a literary device than a necessary narrative character. He's very allegorical - he could almost be even a dream, an emotion, the personaification of nature more than a real character.
But to be honest - I'm not so sure Jackson wouldn't drop him in there somewhere for mischief's sake.
But no - he'd be unsuitable as he's much more a literary device than a necessary narrative character. He's very allegorical - he could almost be even a dream, an emotion, the personaification of nature more than a real character.
But to be honest - I'm not so sure Jackson wouldn't drop him in there somewhere for mischief's sake.
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I know that the first two films are of the Hobbit book, where as the third is something different. A bridging of the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings I think, so it's not inconcievable that Jackson could have the Tom Bombadil in that film.
I think the character wouldn't translate very well into film and would only be included to serve those that are loyal to the book.
I think the character wouldn't translate very well into film and would only be included to serve those that are loyal to the book.
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17 days and counting
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Can't wait, though I am quite worried about how it may turn out.Kenny wrote:17 days and counting
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First Scene: Dark forest consumed in a heavy grey mist, swooping orchestral music builds as Galadriel walks lightly across the floor of autumn leaves. She stops and gives us that bewitching gaze then looks to her left.
From behind a large oak tree comes a figure with long ears.
"Ah yes, sir - it's a meesa. Thats Gollum insa hole, is a Terrrrrrrible bad mansa, methink. Notsa going back there-sa, no sir. Meesa Jar Jar Binks! "
Oh no, Peter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not you too!!!!!!
From behind a large oak tree comes a figure with long ears.
"Ah yes, sir - it's a meesa. Thats Gollum insa hole, is a Terrrrrrrible bad mansa, methink. Notsa going back there-sa, no sir. Meesa Jar Jar Binks! "
Oh no, Peter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not you too!!!!!!
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Kenny wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTSoD4BBCJc
I have to admit i am looking forward to this film more then any other this year , i have loved the story ever since i read the book when i was 9 years old ( a long long time ago )
Me too, I read the book when I was five.
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I see what you both are saying there would be alot to fit into the first film but if the LotR films are to go by god knows what they will take out (Tom Bombadil nuff said) and put in, but Im still looking forward to it
Bombadil is the most boring part of TLOTR; always used to skip that chapter.
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The Ents weren't exactly my favourite in the books either....and certainly not in the movies.
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Totally agree, all those bits about the ents deliberating and humming and bumming - soooo boring.
But seriously, I used to hate Bombadil when I was a kid. Still do
But seriously, I used to hate Bombadil when I was a kid. Still do
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Bombadil always struck me as a tripping morris dancer. "Ah fiddledee dod, boomderry" jibberish. Just barking mad.
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Does anyone know who the character is who says "A dark power has found its way back into the world." In the trailer? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1SJ7yaa7cI
Also bits like the end of that trailer make me worried they've added things to give it a comedic element, which isn't there in the books. Love this book so much I can't help but think they'll have ruined it, part of me also thinks even if it's good I'll find ways to knock it.
Also bits like the end of that trailer make me worried they've added things to give it a comedic element, which isn't there in the books. Love this book so much I can't help but think they'll have ruined it, part of me also thinks even if it's good I'll find ways to knock it.
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Its Radagast according to the website and i only know that as its Sylvester McCoy playing it
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Cannot wait for this film, what a magnificent book. It'll be sad when there are no more Tolkien films to be released.
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Maybe Disney will buy Wingnut & Weta and continue making sequels.
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SecretFly wrote:Radagast I think. Sylvester McCoy
Thanks guys, explains why I couldn't work out who it was as I've only read The Hobbit, and not the other Middle Earth books. Guess it's a sign of what they've changed from the book to make it into what is probably going to be 9 hours of film.Kenny wrote:Its Radagast according to the website and i only know that as its Sylvester McCoy playing it
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Fists of Fury wrote:Cannot wait for this film, what a magnificent book. It'll be sad when there are no more Tolkien films to be released.
U never know, theres always the similarian,,,
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Smirnoffpriest wrote:Fists of Fury wrote:Cannot wait for this film, what a magnificent book. It'll be sad when there are no more Tolkien films to be released.
U never know, theres always the similarian,,,
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I'm sure we all know what he means, it was sort of close enough. Haven't read it but would their be enough in The Silmarillion for it to actually make a good film(s)?Kenny wrote:Smirnoffpriest wrote:Fists of Fury wrote:Cannot wait for this film, what a magnificent book. It'll be sad when there are no more Tolkien films to be released.
U never know, theres always the similarian,,,
erm
Never knew you were from the Mines of Moria Kenny, didn't realise that they were in Hull.
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Derbyblue wrote:I'm sure we all know what he means, it was sort of close enough. Haven't read it but would their be enough in The Silmarillion for it to actually make a good film(s)?Kenny wrote:Smirnoffpriest wrote:Fists of Fury wrote:Cannot wait for this film, what a magnificent book. It'll be sad when there are no more Tolkien films to be released.
U never know, theres always the similarian,,,
erm
Never knew you were from the Mines of Moria Kenny, didn't realise that they were in Hull.
Silmarillion is my least favourite of the Tolkien books , but yes i take your point . The Mines of Moria was the name of my band ( i say band we were terrible , but we thought we were good ) in the early eighties
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Ha, awesome band name.
SO then, gents, what do we think of the film? Thoroughly enjoyed it myself.
SO then, gents, what do we think of the film? Thoroughly enjoyed it myself.
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There are some comments on the "last watched film" thread from myself and others.
Basically liked it, but not as much as any of the Rings films. My view is possibly informed by the fast frame rate slightly disagreeing with me though. Would be happy to see it again in a different format though.
Basically liked it, but not as much as any of the Rings films. My view is possibly informed by the fast frame rate slightly disagreeing with me though. Would be happy to see it again in a different format though.
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I thought it was very good , i didn't go into it thinking it would be as good as LOTR which probably helped as i dont think it was ........but it was very enjoyable to be back in Middle Earth all the same
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Wasn't as good as any LOTR film, but then I didn't really expect it to be, and also feel like if I had never read the book I would probably enjoy the film more as though I can kind of understand the reasons they added the bits they did personally I didn't appreciate them. Probably give the film a 6 or 7 out of 10 which is disappointing as I give the book a 10. My opinion on the noticeable changes:
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- I have no issue with the changed start with Bilbo and Frodo, would have liked to see the Dwarfs hoods hung up on hooks in Bilbo's hall and for them to have arrived in the groups they were meant to though those are small details which I can deal with.
Really didn't get the need for them to completely change Tolkiens work and keep Azog alive couldn't they have just had it as his son Bolg be the big nasty Orc seeking revenge for his father?
I actually quite liked the inclusion of Radagast, though I didn't like the knock on effect of changing how the Dwarfs leave Rivendell.
Can see why they added in the Orc on Wargs attack and changed what happened with the Trolls to provide more "exciting action" but it wasn't necessary to me.
Didn't like the changes to what happened with the Goblins and Orcs in the mountain but knew something would be different as in the book that section is pretty much happening in the pitch black and they can't have a plain black cinema screen with just the odd blue flash of a sword (which by the way also annoyed me as there were numerous times when these Elvish blades from Gondolin weren't shining blue they don't have off switches Peter!). Also they're meant to have spent 2 and a bit days in those caves and you really don't get the feeling that they have done it to me felt more like less than 24 hours were spent in the caves.
Whilst it's again only a fairly small thing didn't like the change to them leaving the caves and being pretty much immediately chased by the goblins and wargs, and the ensuing thing action and fight that happened resulting in the rescue by the eagles, again only a very small thing which I can see why they left out as not a lot happens but would have liked to have seen the eyerie and something that happened that night instead have being put straight down on the Carrock.
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I was also wondering why neither Glamdring nor Orcrist glowed in the presence of goblins/orcs.
It might be for the practical reason that they simply missed doing so for Gandalf's blade in LOTR (or at least, that's what I remember hearing from the director's commentary track on Fellowship) hence needed to maintain continuity.
It might be for the practical reason that they simply missed doing so for Gandalf's blade in LOTR (or at least, that's what I remember hearing from the director's commentary track on Fellowship) hence needed to maintain continuity.
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Fists of Fury wrote:Ha, awesome band name.
SO then, gents, what do we think of the film? Thoroughly enjoyed it myself.
Thoroughly enjoyable is definitely the right description. Not a great film though, just 'good'. Very obviously just the first third of a longer film. Agree with the review I read that it feels a bit like a 3 hr prologue.
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I'll be seeing The Hobbit on 27 December. Cannot wait, despite knowing deep down that nothing will ever surpass the feeling I got when watching Fellowship for the first time. That was one of the most intense experiences of my life.
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I'm a bit on the fence. Lot's of it were very good. 'Riddles in the dark' as good as anything I expected. But the rabbits, 'chips' and wobbly chin thing seriously did my head in.
If they are going to meddle much more I hope it's to add more Gollum in the other two films.
The fight scenes were very good and Martin Freeman grew on me as Bilbo. Loved the trolls too.
Plus on a side note the plates bit in the book was stupid too!
If they are going to meddle much more I hope it's to add more Gollum in the other two films.
The fight scenes were very good and Martin Freeman grew on me as Bilbo. Loved the trolls too.
Plus on a side note the plates bit in the book was stupid too!
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I saw it yesterday - easily the best LOTR fiolm to date!
Negatives for me:
1. The casting of Martin Freeman - he was great actually, but in Fellowship Gandalf gets suspicious of Bilbo's looks, saying 'Bilbo Baggins...you haven't aged a day'. Clearly he's aged about 40 years though!
2. Stone Giants. Sigh.
3. How eloquent Mr Wobbly Chin was.
4. Mr Chips, who is the Jar Jar Binks of this trilogy it appears.
5. Radagast.
Negatives for me:
1. The casting of Martin Freeman - he was great actually, but in Fellowship Gandalf gets suspicious of Bilbo's looks, saying 'Bilbo Baggins...you haven't aged a day'. Clearly he's aged about 40 years though!
2. Stone Giants. Sigh.
3. How eloquent Mr Wobbly Chin was.
4. Mr Chips, who is the Jar Jar Binks of this trilogy it appears.
5. Radagast.
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Saw it today, I'd say it was better than all the LOTR films- probably helped by the fact I'd not read it in 15 years.
For people complaining, the book is nearly 80 years old - and even cinema has moved on in the 10 years since LOTR - some minor changes were bound to happen to make it more friendly to the silver screen.
I do worry about the 3rd installment though if it is all new material - likely to be a disaster really.
For people complaining, the book is nearly 80 years old - and even cinema has moved on in the 10 years since LOTR - some minor changes were bound to happen to make it more friendly to the silver screen.
I do worry about the 3rd installment though if it is all new material - likely to be a disaster really.
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Yeah but the rabbits and the chips?
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Don't really see the problem with the rabbits? We are watching a film with wizards, orcs, elves, dwarves etc why is 10 rabbits pulling a sleigh (with a wizard on it) so ridiculous.
The chips thing is just a bit of comic relief, it's a 2 second quip - are people really hating on it?
The chips thing is just a bit of comic relief, it's a 2 second quip - are people really hating on it?
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Dickens and Shakespeare are older but there is no need to excessively mess with those either. As I say happy on the whole but could have been better. Money grabbing to pull it out to three films. And the chips character is the hobbits jar jar binks as mentioned above. Why mess with a good formula? there were plenty of relevant comedy moments but a few needless. The rabbits were a joke as it was unneeded as was radaghast.
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spencerclarke wrote:Dickens and Shakespeare are older but there is no need to excessively mess with those either. As I say happy on the whole but could have been better. Money grabbing to pull it out to three films. And the chips character is the hobbits jar jar binks as mentioned above. Why mess with a good formula? there were plenty of relevant comedy moments but a few needless. The rabbits were a joke as it was unneeded as was radaghast.
You definitely would need to change Shakespeare to make a blockbuster from it, same with Dickens - already been altered for the big screen (not just talking about the muppets version either).
The young dwarf isn't anywhere near as annoying as jar jar binks, I think he suits the group quite well.
Radaghast is a plot device, he moves things along at a good pace.
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Just saw it. Enjoyed it very much.
OK maybe it should be titled " Part one of a tale of Middle Earth Based on Tolkein's The Hobbit " ...and heaven knows how they're going to spin it out to two more films , but who cares ? Terrific visually , witty , and just great fun.
Well done Jackson
OK maybe it should be titled " Part one of a tale of Middle Earth Based on Tolkein's The Hobbit " ...and heaven knows how they're going to spin it out to two more films , but who cares ? Terrific visually , witty , and just great fun.
Well done Jackson
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I feel Radagast was needed but mainly because I have a feeling that most of the second film will be focused upon what Gandalf gets up to while the dwarves are going through Mirkwood, which I think is meant to be he's off trying to stop the necromancer, which I assume will feature Radagast. Beefing out the second film to follow Gandalf will mean that we would likely not progress that far in the actual story with the dwarves probably only arriving in Laketown or maybe setting off on their journey to the Lonely Mountain before the end of the film.spencerclarke wrote:Dickens and Shakespeare are older but there is no need to excessively mess with those either. As I say happy on the whole but could have been better. Money grabbing to pull it out to three films. And the chips character is the hobbits jar jar binks as mentioned above. Why mess with a good formula? there were plenty of relevant comedy moments but a few needless. The rabbits were a joke as it was unneeded as was radaghast.
Who is this chips character everyone hates?
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The guy who makes the joke about the elves not havin any chips, the young elf.
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I really enjoyed the film - though a lot could have been coz I was very happy to be pulled back in the LOTR world again. I liked the dwarves and Radagast (and the rabbits - I felt they encapsulated what I remember of him in the books, nutty, very eccentric, but in one with nature and very effective in his own way).
Not as good as the other LOTR films, but mostly coz the Hobbit (part 1) didn't seem to cover anywhere near as much story as any of the LOTR's.
I felt there was needless changes to the 'trolls' bit but enjoyed the dwarves back story and the fighting scenes. - Still don't see why they need the third film...
Not as good as the other LOTR films, but mostly coz the Hobbit (part 1) didn't seem to cover anywhere near as much story as any of the LOTR's.
I felt there was needless changes to the 'trolls' bit but enjoyed the dwarves back story and the fighting scenes. - Still don't see why they need the third film...
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I am a massive LOTR's fan but I didn't like The Hobbit at all. Was very let down by it. Didn't see the need for 3 movies to begin with and don't know if I'll watch the next 2 now.
Thought it was needlessly childish and cartoon like in too many parts with some poor jokes thrown in for good measure.
Thought it was needlessly childish and cartoon like in too many parts with some poor jokes thrown in for good measure.
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See, I'm a massive LOTR fan, and I hated Two Towers and dislike Return of the King. Yet loved The Hobbit.The Boss wrote:I am a massive LOTR's fan but I didn't like The Hobbit at all. Was very let down by it. Didn't see the need for 3 movies to begin with and don't know if I'll watch the next 2 now.
Thought it was needlessly childish and cartoon like in too many parts with some poor jokes thrown in for good measure.
I agree that three films is milking it, but the quality of this film was far above that of Two Towers for me. I really, really hate that film. Treebeard
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The 2 towers is my least favourite of the trilogy but I struggled to see anything I liked about The Hobbit. I could feel myself cringing while watching it in the cinema. Gandalf as per usual I liked and the scene with Gollum was good along with the fight seens. The thing with the massive chin? What was that all about?
Haven't read the book in years but I can't remember that!
Haven't read the book in years but I can't remember that!
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