Ireland Coaching Position; Open Poll And Discussion

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Continuing on from the previous thread ( https://www.606v2.com/t26089-kidney-s-record-as-irish-coach ) what do you think should happen with the Ireland coaching position?

Vote and leave comments, suggestions of names, defences of the current set-up below. Don't just vote, tell us why.

Please let's try and have a constructive debate; input from posters of all nations encouraged.

eirebilly wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:I also forgot, with BOD injury this would have been an ideal time for somebody who was waiting in his wings to show what he has to prove, but as you had no one really there you just stuck with D'Arcy and Earls, who are both good players but BOD they are not.

Once again you have me totally confused. There are better options at 12 than D'Arcy but Kidney would not pick them. He has had 3 years to bring this talent through and he has failed. If he was in his first year then i would accept this but he has had 3 years to do this.

It should also be said that D'Arcy is preferred to McFadden by Joe Schmidt at Leinster and when he does start for Leinster, its rarely at inside centre.

In McFadden Hcup starts this year, 3 have been at 13, 1 at 12 and 1 on the wing.

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eirebilly wrote:

It should also be said that D'Arcy is preferred to McFadden by Joe Schmidt at Leinster and when he does start for Leinster, its rarely at inside centre.

In McFadden Hcup starts this year, 3 have been at 13, 1 at 12 and 1 on the wing.

Ryan is preferred at lock to DoC by Munster yet Kidney chose to ignore that so why can't he do the same for McFadden

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Sin é wrote:

It should also be said that D'Arcy is preferred to McFadden by Joe Schmidt at Leinster and when he does start for Leinster, its rarely at inside centre.

In McFadden Hcup starts this year, 3 have been at 13, 1 at 12 and 1 on the wing.

Ryan is preferred at lock to DoC by Munster yet Kidney chose to ignore that so why can't he do the same for McFadden

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Yep, thats a very valid point.

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Sin é wrote:

eirebilly wrote:

It should also be said that D'Arcy is preferred to McFadden by Joe Schmidt at Leinster and when he does start for Leinster, its rarely at inside centre.

In McFadden Hcup starts this year, 3 have been at 13, 1 at 12 and 1 on the wing.

Ryan is preferred at lock to DoC by Munster yet Kidney chose to ignore that so why can't he do the same for McFadden

Well maybe he looked at Munster's last Heineken Cup match (Northampton) which was Munster's best performance this season and noted that DOC was the starting Lock, not Ryan.

There is a huge difference between DOC with his 70 plus caps, 2 Lions Tours and Fergus McFadden who hasn't managed to really break into the Leinster team even though D'Arcy has not been performing well for the last 2 years or so.

Edit: The Munster management in the knowledge that contract negotiations were coming up with Ryan, might have wanted to encourage Ryan to stay with Munster and not head off elsewhere.

There's a huge difference between Donnacha Ryan who has been at the top of his game all season and proven himself better than DoC every time he replaced him in the 6N and D'Arcy who has been poor for 2 years and never looked like getting any better.
Kidney got both decisions wrong.

asoreleftshoulder wrote:There's a huge difference between Donnacha Ryan who has been at the top of his game all season and proven himself better than DoC every time he replaced him in the 6N and D'Arcy who has been poor for 2 years and never looked like getting any better.
Kidney got both decisions wrong.

Not too long ago people were wondering why Ryan was preferred to Tuohy

A lot of Ryan's starts were at blindside as well (presumably because Kidney asked Munster to play him there for the world cup).

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Sin é wrote:
Not too long ago people were wondering why Ryan was preferred to Tuohy

A lot of Ryan's starts were at blindside as well (presumably because Kidney asked Munster to play him there for the world cup).

I don't really care what people were wondering it's not relevant to the debate.

Ryans starts at blindside this season were because Muntser had an injury crisis don't pretend otherwise.

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Sin é wrote:
Not too long ago people were wondering why Ryan was preferred to Tuohy

A lot of Ryan's starts were at blindside as well (presumably because Kidney asked Munster to play him there for the world cup).

I don't really care what people were wondering it's not relevant to the debate.

Ryans starts at blindside this season were because Muntser had an injury crisis don't pretend otherwise.

It is relevant because Ryan was not rated to be anything better than DOC.

Doesn't matter what the reasons were - the facts are that Munster's best performance in the Heineken Cup this season had DOC at 4 and Ryan at 6.

Sin é wrote:
It is relevant because Ryan was not rated to be anything better than DOC.

Doesn't matter what the reasons were - the facts are that Munster's best performance in the Heineken Cup this season had DOC at 4 and Ryan at 6.

No it isn't because that was before the world cup and it's not April,things change (except Deccies team and tactics) and peoples opinions change.

Are you trying to claim that Munster played so well because they DoC was at 4 and Ryan at 6.You're grasping at straws there Sin.

Also Leinsters best performance in the HC came when McFadden started at 12,does the comparison stand?

Sin é wrote:
Considering that O'Shea is a relatively successful coach, what are your coaching credentials to suggest that he is getting it wrong in his analysis?

You do listen to him, do you? Listen to him and then judge my views about what he says. You do remember the MunstervBlues game at Thomond in late Feb? I'm sure it's on tape somewhere. Watch it with O'Shea's commentary if you get a chance. My credentials are my eyes, ears and knowing as much about what I'm looking at in a rugby game as anyone else in these here parts.

Now as for relatively successful coaches always knowing more than the critics....................................... we're back to poor Declan again.

Fair dues Fly but i have always thought tha COS would be a great Ireland coach. Whenever i have heard him commentate (granted not alot) he has shown a great understanding of the game.

eirebilly wrote:Fair dues Fly but i have always thought tha COS would be a great Ireland coach. Whenever i have heard him commentate (granted not alot) he has shown a great understanding of the game.

I'm not stopping anyone liking him or rating him as a coach for Ireland, or director or whatever, billy. All I ever do is respond honestly to comments and answer them as honestly as my conscience allows me to (well, when being serious anyway! ) But I judge people in my unique way just as others judge the same people using their unique criteria.

I made sure to say my opinion of O'Shea (purely on his thoughts and opinions expressed about rugby [not all of them but the ones that concern me]) is my personal opinion based on the insights I'm picking up from my observations.

Of course others can disagree with me. But nobody questions my 'credentials' in this talk shop and gets away with it. If I don't see other's passports and CVs in this site, they don't ask to see mine.

People keep to that rule and everything will be fine

Fly, i would never ask for your credentials, i was simply stating my thoughts

eirebilly wrote:Fly, i would never ask for your credentials, i was simply stating my thoughts

I know that, billy! You're never anything but reasonable I wasn't getting at you. My 'credentials' were questioned by another and I was only explaining that to you.

Oh ok Fly.

Your still wrong though

Do yourself a favor Fly and just admit that my internet credentials are better than yours

Yeah...but my mug shot is nicer...professionally done in a studio no less! Even airbrushed out the limp.

Well my....... nah feck it, you win