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Post by noleisthebest Sun 01 Apr 2012, 5:59 pm

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Post by socal1976 Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:54 pm

Novak is really getting into Murray's second serve

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Post by bogbrush Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:55 pm

I cant tell one rally from another.
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Post by socal1976 Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:55 pm

There it is double break, Murray really being bossed around

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Post by bretmeharty Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:55 pm

Novak walk over

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Post by bogbrush Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:56 pm

socal1976 wrote:Novak is really getting into Murray's second serve
My Mum would get into that second serve, it's barely WTA standard.
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Post by bretmeharty Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:57 pm

Murray will start to play on the front foot half way through the 2nd set, by then it will be too late

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Post by socal1976 Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:57 pm

Novak is doing a great job of picking out spots to get to net and finish off the point

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Post by reckoner Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:57 pm

lol

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Post by droogle Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:58 pm

Murray's groundstrokes not reliable enough and he can't do any damage.

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Post by socal1976 Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:59 pm

Whatever BB, did you see that backhand winner off the first ball by Novak and an Ace on set point.

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Post by Jeremy_Kyle Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:59 pm

Murray not even varying is game like he used to, no slices, dropshots or volley so far, did he hit a winner at all in this 1st set??
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Post by reckoner Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:59 pm

oh dear well, here's hoping the 2nd set is more even... not likely but there's always hope

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Post by Tenez Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:59 pm

Tenez wrote:Djoko's shots have a much better depth. Murray's are way too spiny and short.

2 possible reasons for that:

1 - Murray is tensed and nervous, lack of confidence.
2 - He is simply not as talented as Djoko.


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Post by noleisthebest Sun 01 Apr 2012, 6:59 pm

That was my kind of set ATP 1000 Miami 2012 Final: Djokovic - Murray - Page 2 1347041234

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Post by bogbrush Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:00 pm

socal1976 wrote:Whatever BB, did you see that backhand winner off the first ball by Novak and an Ace on set point.
We're celebrating an ace?

C'mon, this is very standard fare.
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Post by Tenez Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:02 pm

Jeremy_Kyle wrote:Murray not even varying is game like he used to, no slices, dropshots or volley so far, did he hit a winner at all in this 1st set??

Djoko is too quick for that. Unless Murray starts to play deeper and faster it would be suicidal to play touch shots.

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Post by Jeremy_Kyle Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:03 pm

I really hope something can happen and Murray start competing in this set. So far Dokovic is not even sweating is shirt.....
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Post by socal1976 Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:03 pm

Oddly Novak won 50 percent of the points on Andy's second and is crushing murray's first delivery losing just 43 percent of points on Andy's first. Returning the first serve better that is odd

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Post by Jeremy_Kyle Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:04 pm

Tenez wrote:
Jeremy_Kyle wrote:Murray not even varying is game like he used to, no slices, dropshots or volley so far, did he hit a winner at all in this 1st set??

Djoko is too quick for that. Unless Murray starts to play deeper and faster it would be suicidal to play touch shots.

It can at least unsettle his opponenent a bit, also slicing well on this surface can help much imo
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Post by socal1976 Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:04 pm

Andy loses a break early and it could be all she wrote

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Post by bogbrush Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:05 pm

socal1976 wrote:Oddly Novak won 50 percent of the points on Andy's second and is crushing murray's first delivery losing just 43 percent of points on Andy's first. Returning the first serve better that is odd
And winning more points percentage on his own 2nd serve than first.

Tells you this is all about rallying, and a part of that being the lack of threat from the other side.
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Post by Jeremy_Kyle Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:05 pm

see Wink
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Post by reckoner Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:05 pm

OMG he came into the net and won a point!

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Post by Ulsterexile Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:06 pm

Anyone know if their is a stream, motherin law is doing her nut as she can only listen.
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Post by socal1976 Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:07 pm

Big hold for Andy

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Post by Jeremy_Kyle Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:07 pm

At least it's not gonna be bagel Smile
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Post by reckoner Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:09 pm

Jeremy_Kyle wrote:At least it's not gonna be bagel Smile
there's always that...

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Post by socal1976 Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:10 pm

Don't lose focus Novak cmon

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Post by LuvSports! Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:11 pm

Ulsterexile wrote:Anyone know if their is a stream, motherin law is doing her nut as she can only listen.

livescorehunter is the one im watching now its good Smile

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Post by reckoner Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:11 pm

A fiver says Lendl's going to get on court and beat some sense into him with his golf club

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Post by bogbrush Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:12 pm

Lendl must be wondering what he's supposed to do; he excelled in powerful deep groundstrokes from a titanic forehand and a SHBH, and Murray......... doesn't.
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Post by reckoner Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:14 pm

Remember when Courier was coaching Roddick, it was similarly hopeless.

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Post by noleisthebest Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:16 pm

I cannot stand this Yank commentator....

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Post by bogbrush Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:16 pm

reckoner wrote:Remember when Courier was coaching Roddick, it was similarly hopeless.
Yes.

I don't really know what Ivan can bring to this. Andy is a counterpuncher and its tough playing a retriever par excellence on a low court.

He just has to dig in, that's his game.


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Post by reckoner Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:17 pm

second set dip for Djoker , right on cue... next service game might be interesting.

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Post by Tenez Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:18 pm

A perfect example of an UE by Djoko cretaed by not enough time recuperation between points.


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Post by noleisthebest Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:18 pm

bogbrush wrote:
reckoner wrote:Remember when Courier was coaching Roddick, it was similarly hopeless.
Yes.

I don't really know what Ivan can bring to this. Andy is a counterpuncher and its tough playing a retriever par excellence on a low court.


didn't seem to be a problem in 2009 Whistle

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Post by bogbrush Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:18 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
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reckoner wrote:Remember when Courier was coaching Roddick, it was similarly hopeless.
Yes.

I don't really know what Ivan can bring to this. Andy is a counterpuncher and its tough playing a retriever par excellence on a low court.


didn't seem to be a problem in 2009 Whistle
Djokovic wasn't so resilient back then.
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Post by Tenez Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:20 pm

Courier coaching Roddick? When was that?

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Post by bogbrush Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:20 pm

Tenez wrote:A perfect example of an UE by Djoko cretaed by not enough time recuperation between points.
Took the words from my mouth!

Mrs Bogbrush is starting to understand this now too. She mentioned it.
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Post by Jeremy_Kyle Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:20 pm

I was talking about that slice Muzza!

Look like it's not going to be double bread sticks either thumbsup
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Post by Danny_1982 Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:20 pm

Murray clinging on here.

I'm amazed by his gameplan. Djokovic looked tired in that game, but then he looked dead about 3 times in the AO semi... He's like a spider in the bath, playing dead. NEVER assume he's out of energy!

The way it's going, Murray is merely delaying the inevitable.

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Post by bogbrush Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:20 pm

Tenez wrote:Courier coaching Roddick? When was that?
He was disguised as Jimmy Connors
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Post by reckoner Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:21 pm

Sorry meant COnnors!

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Post by reckoner Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:23 pm

Well so much for the second set dip.

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Post by noleisthebest Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:24 pm

bogbrush wrote:
Tenez wrote:A perfect example of an UE by Djoko cretaed by not enough time recuperation between points.
Took the words from my mouth!

Mrs Bogbrush is starting to understand this now too. She mentioned it.

and how does Mrs Bogbrush explain all Murray's UEs?

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Post by socal1976 Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:27 pm

Best in the world at changing direction on the ball Novak going up; the line every shot

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Post by bogbrush Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:29 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
bogbrush wrote:
Tenez wrote:A perfect example of an UE by Djoko cretaed by not enough time recuperation between points.
Took the words from my mouth!

Mrs Bogbrush is starting to understand this now too. She mentioned it.

and how does Mrs Bogbrush explain all Murray's UEs?
She knows he has unsound technique in cruial areas.
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Post by noleisthebest Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:29 pm

It looks disgustingly hot out there. Feel sorry for the players.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sun 01 Apr 2012, 7:29 pm

I'd explain them as very bad day at the office and move on. Murray has played naff today yet we have the usual 'experts' on here trying to display it as a norm or something. Full credit to Novak who is doing the business so far.
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