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PGA Tour: Masters Champion, via the process of elimination: Notes from the Ballwasher
First topic message reminder :
An untraditional set of Notes this week in deference to that ghastly expression, "A tradition unlike any other" which, if we hear it once, we'll hear it one hundred times this week.
Andy North will hopefully feature on this week's ESPN coverage and it is his practice to determine a Major Champion via the process of elimination.
For The Masters this is easy, of course, and some stereotypes lend themselves immediately to the discard pile. So let's get going with the Ballwasher's highly subjective guide through the Masters maze:
1).Some categories can be dispensed with before they even come under Starters Orders:
a).Past Champions over 50. That includes you Freddie (who would probably feature in more categories than any other! And he's so good round here that nobody would be surprised to see his 16th top 15 finish guaranteeing him another trip back even if he wasn't a Past Champion).
b).Amateurs.
c).Aussies. No wins for Australia yet and this crop no better than their predecessors. Sorry Adam, Jason and the rest. Best each way value (top 6 at 1/4 odds from Paddy Power): Ogilvy at 80/1. Geoff hasn't won a full field event since his 2006 US Open gift, but it's not that he doesn't have the talent.
d).Ceremonial golfers. Those who are in the field solely due to performances 2010 or earlier. There goes Padraig, but fancy Stenson to be the best e.w. value here: 150/1.
e).Masters rookies. Including Keegan Bradley. Could quite easily see Kyle Stanley win one of these eventually but poor form recently and putting not up to it.
f).Non-winners on the PGA Tour. There go Rickie Fowler, Simon Dyson and the Fish.
2).PGA Tour members without a win since 2009. Howell, Reavie, Van Pelt, Cabrera and Vijay.
3).Walking wounded and wide bodies. Casey hobbles off with Tiger Woods. Tiger looks good value at 5/1 for the win though, but the early going could be heavy and Augusta National won't permit his Zimmer frame. Darren Clarke has been found wanting in the Augusta mud in years past and he's no fitter now.
4).Navigators. Heavy rain Tuesday night, with more forecast early in the tournament, will stretch the course out. I don't see a Zach Johnson-type win and even in-form players such as Donald and Stricker will have to be perfect (just like Zach was) to win. Furyk, Zach, Toms and Mark Wilson also head for the showers.
5).Temperamentally unsuited. In the absence of Anthony Kim, we can substitute Kevin Na, Sabbatini, Bubba Watson. Ben Crane is too slow and Jonathan Byrd should be on paternity leave. Not sure when a moustache won the Masters so Wagner can also take a hike.
6).More ethnic stereotyping:
a).Asians. No Asian winners yet and I'll take a chance by saying KJ Choi (60/1) won't be the first, this year anyway.
And:
b).Continental Europeans. Lots of love for Hanson but there's a reason he doesn't win much and that's his work on the greens late in tournaments. And I'll controversially add Paul Lawrie to this group. Sorry Scotland. Best bet: Garcia e.w. at 66/1 (altho he could also be in the "temperamentally unsuited" group which is why he won't win).
7).Form just not good enough. Immelman (good e.w. value at 100/1 though), Kuchar, Laird, O'Hair, Palmer, Poulter, Watney, Westwood and Woodland.
8).Assuming the Sub Air system dries the greens out properly, putting will be at a premium and I doubt the putting strokes of these guys will make it through the week unscathed: Haas, Mahan, McDowell, McIlroy, Rose, Snedeker (e.w. value @ 80/1?).
9).South Africans. Why do South Africans succeed here while Aussies come up short? Apart from the winners, Tim Clark, Els (twice), Goosen (twice) and even Sabbatini have runnered up here. Wouldn't be surprised to see Oosthuizen (e.w. value @ 80/1) with a high finish. Sadly for Schwartzel, that's all he'll do too.
10).Right handers. Just to ensure I haven't missed anyone.
Which, ladies and gentlemen, leaves us in the Butler Cabin sometime on Sunday evening (weather permitting) with Charl Schwartzel presenting an XXXL green jacket to Phil Mickelson.
What do I really think?
Tough for me to see beyond Mickelson and South Africa for the win (though McIlroy and Woods are capable of dominating - don't fancy either if it gets really close though, Rory won't keep a lead and Tiger can only come from behind if someone falters badly), with Garcia, Immelman, Ogilvy, Oosthuizen, Sneds and Stenson representing good each way value.
And, as usual, I'd be perfectly happy to be proved totally full of prunes as Lee Westwood wins by a distance.
An untraditional set of Notes this week in deference to that ghastly expression, "A tradition unlike any other" which, if we hear it once, we'll hear it one hundred times this week.
Andy North will hopefully feature on this week's ESPN coverage and it is his practice to determine a Major Champion via the process of elimination.
For The Masters this is easy, of course, and some stereotypes lend themselves immediately to the discard pile. So let's get going with the Ballwasher's highly subjective guide through the Masters maze:
1).Some categories can be dispensed with before they even come under Starters Orders:
a).Past Champions over 50. That includes you Freddie (who would probably feature in more categories than any other! And he's so good round here that nobody would be surprised to see his 16th top 15 finish guaranteeing him another trip back even if he wasn't a Past Champion).
b).Amateurs.
c).Aussies. No wins for Australia yet and this crop no better than their predecessors. Sorry Adam, Jason and the rest. Best each way value (top 6 at 1/4 odds from Paddy Power): Ogilvy at 80/1. Geoff hasn't won a full field event since his 2006 US Open gift, but it's not that he doesn't have the talent.
d).Ceremonial golfers. Those who are in the field solely due to performances 2010 or earlier. There goes Padraig, but fancy Stenson to be the best e.w. value here: 150/1.
e).Masters rookies. Including Keegan Bradley. Could quite easily see Kyle Stanley win one of these eventually but poor form recently and putting not up to it.
f).Non-winners on the PGA Tour. There go Rickie Fowler, Simon Dyson and the Fish.
2).PGA Tour members without a win since 2009. Howell, Reavie, Van Pelt, Cabrera and Vijay.
3).Walking wounded and wide bodies. Casey hobbles off with Tiger Woods. Tiger looks good value at 5/1 for the win though, but the early going could be heavy and Augusta National won't permit his Zimmer frame. Darren Clarke has been found wanting in the Augusta mud in years past and he's no fitter now.
4).Navigators. Heavy rain Tuesday night, with more forecast early in the tournament, will stretch the course out. I don't see a Zach Johnson-type win and even in-form players such as Donald and Stricker will have to be perfect (just like Zach was) to win. Furyk, Zach, Toms and Mark Wilson also head for the showers.
5).Temperamentally unsuited. In the absence of Anthony Kim, we can substitute Kevin Na, Sabbatini, Bubba Watson. Ben Crane is too slow and Jonathan Byrd should be on paternity leave. Not sure when a moustache won the Masters so Wagner can also take a hike.
6).More ethnic stereotyping:
a).Asians. No Asian winners yet and I'll take a chance by saying KJ Choi (60/1) won't be the first, this year anyway.
And:
b).Continental Europeans. Lots of love for Hanson but there's a reason he doesn't win much and that's his work on the greens late in tournaments. And I'll controversially add Paul Lawrie to this group. Sorry Scotland. Best bet: Garcia e.w. at 66/1 (altho he could also be in the "temperamentally unsuited" group which is why he won't win).
7).Form just not good enough. Immelman (good e.w. value at 100/1 though), Kuchar, Laird, O'Hair, Palmer, Poulter, Watney, Westwood and Woodland.
8).Assuming the Sub Air system dries the greens out properly, putting will be at a premium and I doubt the putting strokes of these guys will make it through the week unscathed: Haas, Mahan, McDowell, McIlroy, Rose, Snedeker (e.w. value @ 80/1?).
9).South Africans. Why do South Africans succeed here while Aussies come up short? Apart from the winners, Tim Clark, Els (twice), Goosen (twice) and even Sabbatini have runnered up here. Wouldn't be surprised to see Oosthuizen (e.w. value @ 80/1) with a high finish. Sadly for Schwartzel, that's all he'll do too.
10).Right handers. Just to ensure I haven't missed anyone.
Which, ladies and gentlemen, leaves us in the Butler Cabin sometime on Sunday evening (weather permitting) with Charl Schwartzel presenting an XXXL green jacket to Phil Mickelson.
What do I really think?
Tough for me to see beyond Mickelson and South Africa for the win (though McIlroy and Woods are capable of dominating - don't fancy either if it gets really close though, Rory won't keep a lead and Tiger can only come from behind if someone falters badly), with Garcia, Immelman, Ogilvy, Oosthuizen, Sneds and Stenson representing good each way value.
And, as usual, I'd be perfectly happy to be proved totally full of prunes as Lee Westwood wins by a distance.
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Sorry Leff, but just not sure where this american term "double eagle" came
from?
from?
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Commentators keep calling it double-eagle.
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I bet Johnny Miller is to blame.
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Technically wrong yes, been the American term for ever though, not really worth the argument any more....McLaren wrote:Sorry Leff, but just not sure where this american term "double eagle" came
from?
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McLaren wrote:Sorry Leff, but just not sure where this american term "double eagle" came
from?
Mac - you know fine they call it a double eagle in the states, whether you like it or not is another matter altogether. Give yourself and everyone else peace and enjoy this exciting finale without chasing cars.
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I didn't mind Mac clarifying the term.
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McLaren wrote:Leff,
A double eagle would be -4 on one hole, an albatross is only -3 on on par five.
I think americans call an alby a double eagle
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Did Adam Scott ace the 16th?
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Not sure kwini, no mention of it on the beeb coverage.
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Twitter says he did...
Poulter moving up, where's Diggers?
Poulter moving up, where's Diggers?
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I saw it on the CBS live webcast. I am watching telly and web.
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Scott shot only just shown on BBC
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just shown it!
go scott- great come back after a dodgy start as well- he loves this place,
go scott- great come back after a dodgy start as well- he loves this place,
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get in- westy chipps in
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NedB-H wrote:Twitter says he did...
Poulter moving up, where's Diggers?
Sitting here very worried. What does he look like though, it's like he packed the wrong shoes and belt for that outfit. Playing well though.
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Diggers wrote:NedB-H wrote:Twitter says he did...
Poulter moving up, where's Diggers?
Sitting here very worried. What does he look like though, it's like he packed the wrong shoes and belt for that outfit. Playing well though.
Rupert the bear mate rupert the bear. Hope you havent missed half this while out shopping for cardies O_o
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poults is playing soon nice stuff out there!
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oh and i think he looks decent an all!
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Blimey Phil.... never seen someone down there...
Kudos to him for a loud fore shout, see far too many pros throw their clubs around and not bother to shout.
Kudos to him for a loud fore shout, see far too many pros throw their clubs around and not bother to shout.
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Aldiss made a funny! Quite good I thought.
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Hanson made two bogies in the first three. Phil in big trouble on the 4th.
Advantage Oosty. That Albatross or Kookaburra, whatever you want to call it, changed the complexion so much.
Advantage Oosty. That Albatross or Kookaburra, whatever you want to call it, changed the complexion so much.
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who calls it kookaburra leffe?
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Think he was taking the proverbial mystimystiroakey wrote:who calls it kookaburra leffe?
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Pod doing well
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i thought it might be some aussie name for it- arr well!!
come on poultry!!
come on poultry!!
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Phil having a moment. Oh dear.
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Shades of Kevin Na.
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ok oustys kookubura was a good shot an all that- but can we watch some live golf please- we dont need to rewatch it 50 times!!- that is what youtube is for!"!
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Understatement.Diggers wrote:Phil having a moment. Oh dear.
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Very real chances for Harrington and Westwood the way this is going.
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Oh Phil, What the f are you doing? Why didn't you go back to the tee instead of playing two right-handed silly shots?
Is he losing the green jacket here?
Is he losing the green jacket here?
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You on Sky mysti? Not seen it for a good half an hour.
Birdie for Lee.... suddenly Phil has thrown this wide open.
Birdie for Lee.... suddenly Phil has thrown this wide open.
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With Lefty in deep trouble, everything is possible...
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why is the bbc showing holes 3 back lol!!
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NedB-H wrote:You on Sky mysti? Not seen it for a good half an hour.
Birdie for Lee.... suddenly Phil has thrown this wide open.
i dont know what the heck is going on dude- my gf has nabbed the telly and i am watching it on me laptop on iplayer- but watching some old shots lol!!- also have the leaderboard up
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A triple (Kiwi bird?) for Phil.
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sod iplayer! open this link:mystiroakey wrote:NedB-H wrote:You on Sky mysti? Not seen it for a good half an hour.
Birdie for Lee.... suddenly Phil has thrown this wide open.
i dont know what the heck is going on dude- my gf has nabbed the telly and i am watching it on me laptop on iplayer- but watching some old shots lol!!- also have the leaderboard up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/17648976
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Unless oostie has a double sometime soon this is going to be a seriously boring few hours.
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Vaughan owned by Woods in the interview, hahahahahahahaha
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NedB-H wrote:sod iplayer! open this link:mystiroakey wrote:NedB-H wrote:You on Sky mysti? Not seen it for a good half an hour.
Birdie for Lee.... suddenly Phil has thrown this wide open.
i dont know what the heck is going on dude- my gf has nabbed the telly and i am watching it on me laptop on iplayer- but watching some old shots lol!!- also have the leaderboard up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/17648976
yeah soz thats what i meant, might have to go to skygo mind i think its gone dejavu on me
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Phil used to pull these stunts a few years ago like the time he lost the US Open to Ogilvey. I thought he quit doing that stuff. Hope he can recover.
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mystiroakey wrote:yeah soz thats what i meant, might have to go to skygo mind i think its gone dejavu on me
Seen that happen before.
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strange, working fine for me, skygo is pretty reliable too thoughmystiroakey wrote:NedB-H wrote:sod iplayer! open this link:mystiroakey wrote:NedB-H wrote:You on Sky mysti? Not seen it for a good half an hour.
Birdie for Lee.... suddenly Phil has thrown this wide open.
i dont know what the heck is going on dude- my gf has nabbed the telly and i am watching it on me laptop on iplayer- but watching some old shots lol!!- also have the leaderboard up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/17648976
yeah soz thats what i meant, might have to go to skygo mind i think its gone dejavu on me
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It seems like nobody wants to win this.
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With all this mess around, I wouldn't be shocked if the lucky Irishman sneaked his way to the top, like he did when he won his first major.
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ousty gonna drop another
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NedB-H wrote:strange, working fine for me, skygo is pretty reliable too thoughmystiroakey wrote:NedB-H wrote:sod iplayer! open this link:mystiroakey wrote:NedB-H wrote:You on Sky mysti? Not seen it for a good half an hour.
Birdie for Lee.... suddenly Phil has thrown this wide open.
i dont know what the heck is going on dude- my gf has nabbed the telly and i am watching it on me laptop on iplayer- but watching some old shots lol!!- also have the leaderboard up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/17648976
yeah soz thats what i meant, might have to go to skygo mind i think its gone dejavu on me
i got abit of some old time comedy just flick up as well lol. anyway i rebooted my browser and back on
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