Fantasy Knockout Tournament (The Bantamweights)

Ok with so little debate going on at the moment I thought i'd steal an idea from the old forum, namely the fantasy knockout tournament.

Sure most of you know the drill, we choose 8 fighters from one of the original 8 weight classes, set them up into a knockout style tournament and see who comes out on top.

Few points to note

1. Any comments going down the usual Manny/Floyd route will be deleted
2. Any bashing of the old timers will be deleted
3. There will be no polls because as we know how and why they win is just as important as winning

So over to you lot where shall we start?

To avoid the ' new v old ' stuff, why not have two separate threads, Ghosty ?

One for pre war and one for post war.

Mainly because i'm awkward and also the fact I wont be dictated to by one poster. That's my opinion anyway

I don't think that would make much difference really Windy, Marciano, Burley, Moore, Louis etc. etc. etc. are all post war

The Mighty Atom wrote:Mainly because i'm awkward and also the fact I wont be dictated to by one poster. That's my opinion anyway

I don't think that would make much difference really Windy, Marciano, Burley, Moore, Louis etc. etc. etc. are all post war

It's your idea, mate, and it was only a suggestion. It's just that I imagine we'll be debating ' new v old ' as a principle instead of ' fighter A v fighter B ' in detail.

Certainly not for me to poke my nose in, though. It's a great idea for a thread.

Any comments like that can just be deleted, if we people want to debate sensibly then they can but going down the same route as before wont happen.

What division should we start at?
As before because we're dealing with head to heads guys like Greb and Burley are excluded for obvious reasons

We never did flyweights....!

And as creator i think the bantams would be a decent shout as well. Just giving the lil guys a shout out, not that i'm little @ 6'2 myself but they don't seem to get enough recognition...

We'll start at bantamweight then

Jofre
Brown
Olivares
Ortiz
Zarate
Hasegawa
Harada
Pintor
Would be my choice

Feather or light welters would be my pick to start with.

Top 8 feathers -

Pep
Saddler
Armstrong
Sanchez
Saldivar
Arguello
Driscoll
Pacquiao (please don't shoot me!)

Top 8 light welters -

Locche
Chavez
Pryor
Benitez
Tsyzu
Ross
Cervantes
Hatton

While guys i'm for a bit, i'll let you decide between you where to start, this will be after all a 8 week thing so plenty of scope

D'oh too slow!

Top 8 bantams -

Jofre
Brown
Zarate
Olivares
Ortiz
McGovern
Dixon
Herman

wow_junky wrote:D'oh too slow!

Top 8 bantams -

Jofre
Brown
Zarate
Olivares
Ortiz
McGovern
Dixon
Herman

Terrific choices, wow_junky.

Some humdingers there.

Out of interest do we want to include those whom we have no to little film of?

I personally would but the majority rules.

My top 8 bantams, random order:

Eder Jofre
Terry McGovern
Carlos Zarate
Panama Al Brown
Ruben Olivares
Peter Herman
Manuel Ortiz
Joe Lynch

The only problem with bantams is, although I know of the good 'uns, I don't know enough to evaluate matchups!

wow_junky wrote:The only problem with bantams is, although I know of the good 'uns, I don't know enough to evaluate matchups!

I'm sure you know just as well as the rest of us, mate.

Besides, that's the fun of it. Some of these will have me scouring my fight collection to re watch stuff I haven't seen for aeons. All good stuff !

Bantamweights it is first then, just need to decide on whom will compete

Nonito Donaire
Eder Jofre
Panama Al Brown
Fighting Harada
Carlos Zarate
Ruben Olivares
Manuel Ortiz
Israel Vasquez

Can't agree with Donaire being in the top 8 yet, he's only had 2 fights at the weight and for the basis of these discussions I tend to ignore what they do at other weights.

Vasquez is a tricky one, while he may have been great at Bantamweight he never competed there at the top level. For me super bantamweight falls under the umbrella of Featherweight.

Other than that the other 6 names are a shoe in, although in my opinion one of the weights where we potentially have a clear number one whom only gets knocked out of the tournament by one other despite fact the fact he comes bottom of the crop for me.

You referring to Harada v Jofre Ghosty?

Despite what the results of their 2 fights were, I wouldn't discount a prime Jofre being given the nod in a neutral venue - in fact I'd say he would be favourite.

Spot on, always felt that to a degree Harada had Jofres number but we'll see what happens

Although perhaps it would be a good idea to keep fighters that fought prime for prime (or close to it) in separate brackets, to try and avoid using actual matchups as the deciding factor.

The Mighty Atom wrote:Out of interest do we want to include those whom we have no to little film of?

I personally would but the majority rules.

The vote seems to be going well be surely it would be criminal to leave out those with no film footage

I'll randomly number them 1-8 then draw them out a hat, not many instances of two elite fighters fighting against eachother prime for prime.