Mayweather-Cotto official fight thread

[Sugar Floyd Louis]

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Firstly am i the only person who finds Bunce annoying?

Anyways, I'm going for a Mayweather TKO Round 10

[westo147]

Worst commentary of all time, but a deserved win for floyd. At least he called pacquiao out. Lets see if the same happens after the Bradley destruction.

[AlexHuckerby]

On the back of that performance Cotto has Alvarez in my honest opinion.

[manos de piedra]

Cotto just gave Mayweather a tough fight. It would be a great match up with Alvarez.

[Strongback]

Had Floyd by 3 or 4.

Card reflects Floyds cash cow status. HBO assume everybody watching is very dumb, disgraceful commentary.

Nice to see Cotto boxing and not fighting. Hasn't always used his talent.

Fantastic quality fight. Two incredible talents.

[manos de piedra]

Id take Canelo over Cotto probably. Would love to see it.

[AlexHuckerby]

Cotto just gave Mayweather a tough fight. It would be a great match up with Alvarez.

Completely agree, its strange as certain people always say "A loss shouldnt mean as much as it does in the sport" then they complain if a fighter faces a fighter who has just been beaten, even if they have just given the P4P best fighter on the planet the biggest run for his money in about 10 years.

[alanqlm]

Anybody else think Floyd was having a not so subtle dig at Bob Arum by having Gamboa forefront both before and after the fight tonight?

[AlexHuckerby]

Had Floyd by 3 or 4.

Card reflects Floyds cash cow status. HBO assume everybody watching is very dumb, disgraceful commentary.

Nice to see Cotto boxing and not fighting. Hasn't always used his talent.

Fantastic quality fight. Two incredible talents.

Wasn't HBO, was the World broadcast feed which was Bob Sheridan, gone right off him, never heard as bias commentary as that,

[Strongback]

Had Floyd by 3 or 4.

Card reflects Floyds cash cow status. HBO assume everybody watching is very dumb, disgraceful commentary.

Nice to see Cotto boxing and not fighting. Hasn't always used his talent.

Fantastic quality fight. Two incredible talents.

Wasn't HBO, was the World broadcast feed which was Bob Sheridan, gone right off him, never heard as bias commentary as that,

Oh right I was wondering why Lederman wasn't popping up shouting into the mike and I wasn't cringing so much........no Kellerman.

[manos de piedra]

You werent cringing at that commentary!??

[AlexHuckerby]

Nah it was the old trio for HBO Crew, Lampley, Steward and MErchant with "Ok Jim! I gotta Tell ya something!" popping up.

[milkyboy]

didn't see the fight, but sounds way more competitive than i was expecting. Any signs of pbf being on the slide, or just a good job from cotto?

[ONETWOFOREVER]

Missed the fight but just saw Floyds interview with ESPN. The interviewer said to Floyd that he ever saw blood flowing from his nose before at which point Floyd said...

"My nose has been dry all this week due to the weather changing in Las Vegas but no excuses"

LOL.

[AlexHuckerby]

Don't think PBF was on the slide in the slightest, just a well thought out gameplan and executed rather well by Cotto, an awful lot of sustained pressure, I think Round 8 in particular he was landing a fair bit more than even I expected him to in the corner and had Floyd bleeding from his nose after a fair few rounds.

He had a bit of a poor start and thats what really cost him. One thing that seriously impressed me was the jab of Cotto, landed it cleanly a fair few times and his movement was excellent.

Floyds defense was marvellous but in my view Cotto laid out a bit of a gameplan as to how to beat him, pretty much what I was saying in my threads lading up to the fight that Cotto has the correct style to box and push him back. A better fighter than Cotto in my view would have beaten Floyd using those tactics. (At 154 I must point out)

For me this whole "Cottos finished" "Cottos gone, he has no stamina, he's lazy" Comments I've been reading lately got thrown back in there face in my view, he put up a much more competetive fight than almost anyone believed.

But must again drop back and just say, Mayweather was sublime tonight, counter punching was just sheerly incredible.

[KingMonkey]

Is there a better fighter at 154 than Cotto? It's all very well laying out a gameplan to beat Floyd but if Cotto can't pull it off then who can? I didn't see the fight but it went how I thought with Cotto putting up an excellent performance but falling short.

I still think Alvarez will be the man to do it. Give it another 18 months, a bit more experience, Canelo on the up and Floyd slightly on the slide.... you never know.

[milkyboy]

he was certainly more competitive than i thought, by all accounts alex, so some humble here... never thought cotto was on the slide, just never thought he was as good as others did in the first place.

I still think de la hoya showed the most likely blueprint for beating floyd - he just didn't have it in the tank. Stylistically khan is the fighter out there at the moment who has the offensive arsenal to give floyd problems, he just does't have the brains or the defensive nous to carry a game plan through

[Strongback]

You werent cringing at that commentary!??

Kellerman is different gravy when it comes to cringeworthiness.

The commentary on BoxNation was just plain biased and was more of a rant about Mayweatbers greatness than what happened in the fight. I turned the sound down after the eighth because the commentary sounded like two drunk guys shouting in my ear down the pub about how great Man U are.

Kellerman when he gets that mike in his hand and that glint of blind arrogance that knows no self awareness is comedy gold of the highest cringeworthy variety.

[Strongback]

Don't think PBF was on the slide in the slightest, just a well thought out gameplan and executed rather well by Cotto, an awful lot of sustained pressure, I think Round 8 in particular he was landing a fair bit more than even I expected him to in the corner and had Floyd bleeding from his nose after a fair few rounds.

He had a bit of a poor start and thats what really cost him. One thing that seriously impressed me was the jab of Cotto, landed it cleanly a fair few times and his movement was excellent.

Floyds defense was marvellous but in my view Cotto laid out a bit of a gameplan as to how to beat him, pretty much what I was saying in my threads lading up to the fight that Cotto has the correct style to box and push him back. A better fighter than Cotto in my view would have beaten Floyd using those tactics. (At 154 I must point out)

For me this whole "Cottos finished" "Cottos gone, he has no stamina, he's lazy" Comments I've been reading lately got thrown back in there face in my view, he put up a much more competetive fight than almost anyone believed.

But must again drop back and just say, Mayweather was sublime tonight, counter punching was just sheerly incredible.

I think Floyd has lost a touch in the reflexes department and is a tad less mobile. He got tagged by Cotto more than he would have in the past.

Cotto fought a good fight in fairness and covered up well as he leaned on Mayweather taking Floyds shots on his gloves before unleashing some good punches.

Cotto could always box or brawl such is the high level of his talent and last night he combined both for me to good effect. I have have always felt that Cotto could have beaten Manny using a counter punching boxing style instead of standing in front of Manny trading.


Cotto is very talented and last night did nothing to change my mind on that. Floyd was just too good for him.


Hats off to both men in what was a display of boxing of the very highest quality in an exciting fight. On quality it has to be a fight of the year contender.

[Mayweathers cellmate]

I though the commentary was terrible, the worst I've ever heard. It was as if they'd decided Mayweather was going to put on a masterclass before the first bell rang, and were trying to convince everyone that that was happening. If Fifty Cent and Justin Bieber had done the commentary it would have been less biased, and probably better.

[Sugar Floyd Louis]

Worst commentary ever, just re-watched, it was actually a very good fight.

Time to unsubscribe from Boxnation now though

[The Galveston Giant]

Sheridan was a joke, i turned the volume down as he was doing my head in.

[bellchees]

Whenever Cotto landed all the commentators talked about was how well conditioned Mayweather is so he could take the shot and how he was letting Cotto land the lure him in, like getting punched in the face is a game plan. I thought it was going to be a relatively straight forward night for Floyd after he was landing clean early on but credit to Cotto he hung in there and just kept coming forward and asked some questions of Mayweather.

[manos de piedra]

I dont think Mayweathers on the slide, and certainly no more than Cotto is. The only possible issue might be the weight class is stretching Mayweather a bit.

Hes stepped up to 154 twice now and clearly in both cases hes not been big at the weight. Hes faced good fighters both times in Oscar and Cotto but both guys were in the later parts of their career and I scored both fights 116-112 to Mayweather in fights that I thought were competitve and not one sided at all.

Compared to his performances at welter I dont think hes been the same physically at 154. It makes me think Martinez at 160 would be too big a stretch.

[John Bloody Wayne]

Probably the most exciting fight I've seen involving Mayweather in a long time and credit to both fighters for that. I'm so glad Cotto made it competetive after I'd been saying it wasn't going to be a schooling and he definitely wasn't going to get stopped.

I had it 117/111 but 116/112 is a better reflection of the fight. The sycophantic cheerleader commentary was affecting my judgement here and there. For Mayweather to be that good aged 35 is incredible. However this solidifies my opinion that Pacquiao circa 09 beats Mayweather. Wouldn't put money on it now though, have to wait and see him against Timothy. Around 60 fights in Pacman's style doesn't lend itself to longevity!

On Saul I get the feeling he does what he needs to, and if he was facing a more live opponent he'd be more live too. A fight between him and Cotto would be great, but could we see Cotto taking his money and caling time? Not on the level of his era's true elite, but better than the rest with a legion of supporters. He just happened to be in the wrong weight range.

[AlexHuckerby]

Probably the most exciting fight I've seen involving Mayweather in a long time and credit to both fighters for that. I'm so glad Cotto made it competetive after I'd been saying it wasn't going to be a schooling and he definitely wasn't going to get stopped.

I had it 117/111 but 116/112 is a better reflection of the fight. The sycophantic cheerleader commentary was affecting my judgement here and there. For Mayweather to be that good aged 35 is incredible. However this solidifies my opinion that Pacquiao circa 09 beats Mayweather. Wouldn't put money on it now though, have to wait and see him against Timothy. Around 60 fights in Pacman's style doesn't lend itself to longevity!

On Saul I get the feeling he does what he needs to, and if he was facing a more live opponent he'd be more live too. A fight between him and Cotto would be great, but could we see Cotto taking his money and caling time? Not on the level of his era's true elite, but better than the rest with a legion of supporters. He just happened to be in the wrong weight range.

No I disagree John, styles make fights, you have to also look at what Manny is weak to, also the main reason the nfight was competetive is in part what I've been talking about, Floyd is possibly to bully and push about at 154, especially against a pretty big strong one like Cotto.

Cotto's actual style is much more suited to beating Floyd than PAcqiaou's is.

[John Bloody Wayne]

Given 09 Pacquiao's quicker feet, far quicker hands and massive power I see him being too active. If Ortiz and Cotto get Mayweather on the ropes, and Cotto can work on him while he's there, I see Pacquiao having major success in the same situation. Cotto's style more suited to beating Mayweather? Debatable. Pacquiao (and Mayweather) on a higher level to Cotto? Definitely.

I can see why Mayweather should be favourite, he has plenty to give Manny fits, and I think he is the superior boxer (meaning he'd beat plenty of guys whom Manny couldn't) but head to head Manny at his best is too offensively gifted and can match/surpass Floyd for conditioning.

Anyway, the Manny v Mayweather thing's been done to death a million times so I can see we'll just retrace old ground here!

[Guest]

not suprised that Mayweather won the fight, however the commentary was dreadful!

[AlexHuckerby]

Anyway, the Manny v Mayweather thing's been done to death a million times so I can see we'll just retrace old ground here!

Never truer words spoken!!

[azania]

[b]Given 09 Pacquiao's quicker feet, far quicker hands and massive pow[/b]er I see him being too active. If Ortiz and Cotto get Mayweather on the ropes, and Cotto can work on him while he's there, I see Pacquiao having major success in the same situation. Cotto's style more suited to beating Mayweather? Debatable. Pacquiao (and Mayweather) on a higher level to Cotto? Definitely.

I can see why Mayweather should be favourite, he has plenty to give Manny fits, and I think he is the superior boxer (meaning he'd beat plenty of guys whom Manny couldn't) but head to head Manny at his best is too offensively gifted and can match/surpass Floyd for conditioning.

Anyway, the Manny v Mayweather thing's been done to death a million times so I can see we'll just retrace old ground here!

But always wide open for counters and especially the lead right. Floyd all day long and thrice on sundays at any stage of their careers.

Pac has faster hands that Marquez. It didn't matter as a skilled counter puncher will always land and make a guy like Pac hesitant to attack. Near shut-out for Floyd.

[Valero's Conscience]

Great fight, the result was as many expected, however I like most didn't expect for Cotto to do as well as he did.

I only had Cotto winning 3-4 rounds but he was competitive throughout the fight.

The commentary used for Boxnation's coverage was awful! I've mentioned this before but for guys like Pac and Floyd they seem to be get praised very biased in fights.

Cotto did lose most rounds IMO but was still landing good shots and fought admirably but the commentator refused to give any credit to him.

Someone raised it above but the most cringing moment was when he suggested Floyd let himself get hit! Why couldn't the guy give credit to Cotto?

Boxnation was as expected really, a bit cheap but you got what you paid for which isn't a lot for a month's coverage. The commentary is a big thing and they seriously need to get better people.

[BoxingFan88]

They can't unless they send a broadcasting team over there.

Remember its a world feed...

[Valero's Conscience]

They can't unless they send a broadcasting team over there.

Remember its a world feed...

So that commentator provide the commentary for pretty much all the English-speaking population outside the US, JESUS!

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