Haye Sky interview

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kpGl16U9w8

Ok He always irritated me, Now I think the guy is a world class Holly Wilaboobie.

I hope Chisora gives him rude awakening..

tunes666 wrote:It does not take much for Haye just to say something like...

"I dont think I was to blame, but we all have our opinions, how ever, I am sorry I was seen like that and sorry it happened and we don't need to see that in boxing and I just want to say if any kids are watching that was not what the real Haye is about, we now have the chance to do it where your meant to do it, in the ring, and thats where you will see the real Haye"

Would that of hurt Haye?, it would have done the event a favor with all the bad press around it.... and would have made it a bit easier to defend the fight...

Yep, show contrition, be humble, show humility, wring his hands together to appease the Daily Mail readers and bleeding heart liberals alike. Why should he apologise if he believes he has done nothing wrong?

compelling and rich wrote:

tunes666 wrote:It does not take much for Haye just to say something like...

"I dont think I was to blame, but we all have our opinions, how ever, I am sorry I was seen like that and sorry it happened and we don't need to see that in boxing and I just want to say if any kids are watching that was not what the real Haye is about, we now have the chance to do it where your meant to do it, in the ring, and thats where you will see the real Haye"

Would that of hurt Haye?, it would have done the event a favor with all the bad press around it.... and would have made it a bit easier to defend the fight...

certainly dont see how it harms the fight, apart from az who likes to get all exicted when fighters put on fake bravado

Unlike you who takes that fake bravado designed to sell tickets and get public interest as being the real deal. Stick with Ricky Burns. Look at how many tickets he sells. Can he fill a leisure centre in Scotland?

andygf wrote:

azania wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

azania wrote:I don't hide behind weaponised English.

Oh I don't know, Az. Not sure anyone else could roll out a word such as 'weaponised' the way you can!

Fine and dignified response, to be fair. Don't agree with much of it, but that's besides the point. Also, upon reflection, that post of mine wasn't the most diplomatic, so I will get rid as well as offering an apology. That's a begrudging apology, mind you!

Weaponised English was a term used by Steve Biko in his trial. It was about the meaning of the word "conflict". It has various interpritations and in South Africa the word was associated in a negative sense with one group. Biko stated that weaponised english was used against the majority population. Conflict could mean difference of opinion being debated or violence.

Apology accepted without the weaponised element.

Is that the South African spelling?!

Anyway pretty amazing to see a reference to Steve Biko on here...I'm such a pinko I even bought a Peter Gabriel song about him once.It was rubbish

You have my sympathies.

azania wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:

tunes666 wrote:It does not take much for Haye just to say something like...

"I dont think I was to blame, but we all have our opinions, how ever, I am sorry I was seen like that and sorry it happened and we don't need to see that in boxing and I just want to say if any kids are watching that was not what the real Haye is about, we now have the chance to do it where your meant to do it, in the ring, and thats where you will see the real Haye"

Would that of hurt Haye?, it would have done the event a favor with all the bad press around it.... and would have made it a bit easier to defend the fight...

certainly dont see how it harms the fight, apart from az who likes to get all exicted when fighters put on fake bravado

Unlike you who takes that fake bravado designed to sell tickets and get public interest as being the real deal. Stick with Ricky Burns. Look at how many tickets he sells. Can he fill a leisure centre in Scotland?

dont get how not apolgising to sky is still building up the fight? all the build up that was required happened in munich, anybody who was aware of these two would want to watch them after munich its already a done deal for most fight fans, carring on like a d!ck isnt going to effect anything now. there certain staged build up i can handle, get the feeling bellew and clev was just that and did exactly what was needed without taking it too far.

If all the build up was done in Munich, they may as well dispense with all the contracted press conferences they are obliged to do and all the other promotional stuff all boxers in high profile fights usually do.

Also why should he apologise when he probably feels he did nothing wrong? Look you want boxers to behave in a certain manner. I don't give a hoot how they behave so long as I am entertained. If that means behaving like a dick, go for it. I don't judge them by their public persona.

K2 come across as gentleman who are concerned with the legacy of boxing. But behind the scenes, they are no different from all other boxers/promoters. Self interest.

Ricky Burns, Ricky Burns, Ricky Burns, there are other boxers out there you know Az.

Lets compare the generations most talent boxer to a moderately talented one, good logic.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Ricky Burns, Ricky Burns, Ricky Burns, there are other boxers out there you know Az.

Lets compare the generations most talent boxer to a moderately talented one, good logic.

Haye is the most talented boxer of the generation?

Throughout most of this thread you've been comparing Mayweather to Burns, if we're honest Burns is a nobody in world boxing, we only know his name because he's british and he is by no means the blueprint to compare against.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Throughout most of this thread you've been comparing Mayweather to Burns, if we're honest Burns is a nobody in world boxing, we only know his name because he's british and he is by no means the blueprint to compare against.

No I haven't.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Throughout most of this thread you've been comparing Mayweather to Burns, if we're honest Burns is a nobody in world boxing, we only know his name because he's british and he is by no means the blueprint to compare against.

Burns wouldn't even make the undercard of an Audley Harrison fight in a decent era.

azania wrote:

tunes666 wrote:It does not take much for Haye just to say something like...

"I dont think I was to blame, but we all have our opinions, how ever, I am sorry I was seen like that and sorry it happened and we don't need to see that in boxing and I just want to say if any kids are watching that was not what the real Haye is about, we now have the chance to do it where your meant to do it, in the ring, and thats where you will see the real Haye"

Would that of hurt Haye?, it would have done the event a favor with all the bad press around it.... and would have made it a bit easier to defend the fight...

Yep, show contrition, be humble, show humility, wring his hands together to appease the Daily Mail readers and bleeding heart liberals alike. Why should he apologise if he believes he has done nothing wrong?

Ok I personally think the whole thing was made out to be worse than it was... but it was still bad and the way the fight has come about is not great either... but many, including many in boxing are not impressed at all.

The truth is though, both of them done something wrong by being involved, The bottom line is, he threw the first punch at two other boxers event. He is arrogant not to except that he got him self in the predicament.... If he supposedly "knows what Chisora is like and does not want to be his victim" .. then why is he at his conference shouting insults at him??? can he answer that one? ..

But the bottom line is, he is now involved in a fight that will make him lots of money and that the whole country is going to see. The main issue was that people did not want people to associate boxing with thuggery, and that while it is a violent sport, it is still a sport.

The BBB are going to try and stop the fight, you dont think Haye could have had a softer touch to calm the fire a bit? ..he did not need to admit he was in the wrong, even though he was most certain party if not mostly responsible, The issue is that people do not what to associate boxing with cheep violence. yet all this loud mouth did was justify the very incident that has many boxing fans peed off...

He comes across as an immature, spoiled prat IMO, and i dont care if he is hyping the fight, he does it at the expense of British boxing...

tunes

Its irrelevant if you believe both of them did wrong. The point is (apparently) Haye doesn't believe he did anything wrong. As far as he is concerned, he was defending himself. So it begs the question as to why he should apologise for defending himself?

If you look at the video again, at no time did he insult Chisora. He was goading Vitali to get a fight on until Chisora entered the fray. WHat Haye said was (my paraphrase) "you've lost 3 times, why should I fight you".

The BBBC can't do anything. It wouldn't surprise me if their 'outrage' is a faux outrage.

I don't see how this harms British boxing. What harms British boxing more are the disgraceful decisions and refereeing that all too frequently occur.

I'm gonna be honest, I clicked on the video expecting hear him chat some nonsense about how he was going to rip Derecks head off. Instead all I heard him do was give his opinion and version of events... Which were fair enough really.

It's like this when you have people who dislike you though, they'll damn you with anything that could be construed as being bad. Typically it's whats happening now.

How many rounds will it be?

3 and David will have him out of there Az! Wouldn't suprise me for there to be a daft Intercontinental belt or something for it to be made 12.

AlexHuckerby wrote:3 and David will have him out of there Az! Wouldn't suprise me for there to be a daft Intercontinental belt or something for it to be made 12.

I'm going to guess that it won't be for the British title.

Atila wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:3 and David will have him out of there Az! Wouldn't suprise me for there to be a daft Intercontinental belt or something for it to be made 12.

I'm going to guess that it won't be for the British title.

Too soon, surely!!!

Atila wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:3 and David will have him out of there Az! Wouldn't suprise me for there to be a daft Intercontinental belt or something for it to be made 12.

I'm going to guess that it won't be for the British title.

Post of the week!

azania wrote:tunes

Its irrelevant if you believe both of them did wrong. The point is (apparently) Haye doesn't believe he did anything wrong. As far as he is concerned, he was defending himself. So it begs the question as to why he should apologise for defending himself?

When you go to work do you do what ever you like to your customers? or do you make adjustments to keep them happy?

The fact is he was at fault, it was not his post fight conference why was he there blabbing off?, did they kidnap him?, he threw the first punch, if it went to court he would lose, simple as.

But putting that aside, its not an issue who was right or wrong, its an issue about underlining the fact it should not have happened, not about using it to make Haye look like some kind of super man..

He makes out he was defending him self, which is rubbish... He stood there and waited for him to hold a mic to his face before he smashed him with a bottle? .... yeah right... He was just peed off because it was not his fight and Chisora done a better job that he did with WK.

But like I say, all that is not the point, the point is no one cares who's fault it was, they just do not like to see a boxer glorify violence out of the ring.... which is what Haye is doing.

tunes666 wrote:

azania wrote:tunes

Its irrelevant if you believe both of them did wrong. The point is (apparently) Haye doesn't believe he did anything wrong. As far as he is concerned, he was defending himself. So it begs the question as to why he should apologise for defending himself?

When you go to work do you do what ever you like to your customers? or do you make adjustments to keep them happy?

The fact is he was at fault, it was not his post fight conference why was he there blabbing off?, did they kidnap him?, he threw the first punch, if it went to court he would lose, simple as.

But putting that aside, its not an issue who was right or wrong, its an issue about underlining the fact it should not have happened, not about using it to make Haye look like some kind of super man..

He makes out he was defending him self, which is rubbish... He stood there and waited for him to hold a mic to his face before he smashed him with a bottle? .... yeah right... He was just peed off because it was not his fight and Chisora done a better job that he did with WK.

But like I say, all that is not the point, the point is no one cares who's fault it was, they just do not like to see a boxer glorify violence out of the ring.... which is what Haye is doing.

Self defence is not a crime. Standing your ground is permitted within the law so long as reasonable force is used. An arrest warrant has not been issued but its a case of much ado about nothing. Taking aside the legal issues, you are saying that he should have run away when Chisora approached him. Tell me which boxer would do that? He was an invited pundit of Box Nation and had every right to be there.

He wasn't miffed about Chisora. He was goading Vitali into a fight which he (and Boothe) claimed that K2 had promised him. And by the utterances of Vitali prior to his fight with Chisora, I am inclined to believe Haye/Boothe. We all know that K2/Broente are a pack of liars and kings of double talk.

Haye wasn't glorifying anyhing. That's your take on the interview. No problem. For me I just want to see them get it on and with Chisora's style, it should be exciting. Haye will have no-where to run so he has to fight. Looking forward to it and credit to Warren for making it happen so quickly. And credit to the BBBC for being so incompetant.

azania wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

azania wrote:tunes

Its irrelevant if you believe both of them did wrong. The point is (apparently) Haye doesn't believe he did anything wrong. As far as he is concerned, he was defending himself. So it begs the question as to why he should apologise for defending himself?

When you go to work do you do what ever you like to your customers? or do you make adjustments to keep them happy?

The fact is he was at fault, it was not his post fight conference why was he there blabbing off?, did they kidnap him?, he threw the first punch, if it went to court he would lose, simple as.

But putting that aside, its not an issue who was right or wrong, its an issue about underlining the fact it should not have happened, not about using it to make Haye look like some kind of super man..

He makes out he was defending him self, which is rubbish... He stood there and waited for him to hold a mic to his face before he smashed him with a bottle? .... yeah right... He was just peed off because it was not his fight and Chisora done a better job that he did with WK.

But like I say, all that is not the point, the point is no one cares who's fault it was, they just do not like to see a boxer glorify violence out of the ring.... which is what Haye is doing.

Self defence is not a crime. Standing your ground is permitted within the law so long as reasonable force is used. An arrest warrant has not been issued but its a case of much ado about nothing. Taking aside the legal issues, you are saying that he should have run away when Chisora approached him. Tell me which boxer would do that? He was an invited pundit of Box Nation and had every right to be there.

He wasn't miffed about Chisora. He was goading Vitali into a fight which he (and Boothe) claimed that K2 had promised him. And by the utterances of Vitali prior to his fight with Chisora, I am inclined to believe Haye/Boothe. We all know that K2/Broente are a pack of liars and kings of double talk.

Haye wasn't glorifying anyhing. That's your take on the interview. No problem. For me I just want to see them get it on and with Chisora's style, it should be exciting. Haye will have no-where to run so he has to fight. Looking forward to it and credit to Warren for making it happen so quickly. And credit to the BBBC for being so incompetant.

agree 100% azania ! this is good for boxing and im glad it has nt taken long to get it made !

Haye shouldnt have even been at the press conference. He was clearly there to stir up trouble and try and talk himself into undeserving shot.

To use hayes own example, its like haye was trespassing in someones house and insulting them then when chisora walks up to him he hits him! Self defence my ar$e!!

Still talking tripe about the legality of it all I see.

azania wrote:

Self defence is not a crime. Standing your ground is permitted within the law so long as reasonable force is used. An arrest warrant has not been issued but its a case of much ado about nothing. Taking aside the legal issues, you are saying that he should have run away when Chisora approached him. Tell me which boxer would do that? He was an invited pundit of Box Nation and had every right to be there.

He wasn't miffed about Chisora. He was goading Vitali into a fight which he (and Boothe) claimed that K2 had promised him. And by the utterances of Vitali prior to his fight with Chisora, I am inclined to believe Haye/Boothe. We all know that K2/Broente are a pack of liars and kings of double talk.

Haye wasn't glorifying anyhing. That's your take on the interview. No problem. For me I just want to see them get it on and with Chisora's style, it should be exciting. Haye will have no-where to run so he has to fight. Looking forward to it and credit to Warren for making it happen so quickly. And credit to the BBBC for being so incompetant.

Haye did not need to run away or punch Chisora.. David Haye also placed him self in the position being being there and bellowing out insults at Chisoras press conference which is highly disrespectful.

Earlier in the Evening Haye told live TV that the Ks manager did not want him there...

He also came out with rubbish about him defending him self from what?, he had a mic held up to his face and it was clear Chisora was trying to get a fight sorted out with Haye .. at not one stage did Chisora rase an arm or look to hurt Haye..

Hayes excuse? ... "He knows what he is like"....

So with that logic, after the Ks manager telling him he was not wanted there.... and with Haye supposedly knowing what Chisora is like (even though Chisoras actions were with people he had boxing engagements with) Haye still went to the conference and still yelled out to the table ...

If he knew what Chisora was like and new the Ks did not want him there, then I would say Haye was most defiantly at fault. At least to the extent he could have the slightest bit of humility to except he was partly responsible.

To counter Hayes "if someone broke into your house" rubbish.. Would you leave your front door open and let everyone know about it?

tunes, don't let your obvious dislike blind you from the facts. Haye had every right to be at the press conference. He didn't break any laws being there. As for being disrespectful, give me a break. Many boxers before have crashed pressers. In fact TV companies often stage them because it hypes fights.If you say Haye was being disrespectful, I can't disagree one bit. But so what? Was Hatton being respectful to Floyd when he called Floyd boring after the Castillo fight? yes he was but who cares?

As for Chisora, I'm sorry you have lost the plot. This is a man who locked heads with a rival as most boxers do. What happened next was....well....not expected. And then he spat water at another guy (why he did that is another matter). And you say all he did was put the mic in Haye's face. Was he going to interview him? Chisora is a loose cannon. There's no tellingng what he would or could do. Haye felt he had no choice but to defend himself. You say that at no stage did Chisora raise an arm to hurt Haye. Should Haye have waited for Chisora to raise an arm? After all he has previous.

His argument was with K2 and not Derek. Derek took it upon himself to enter the argument. He took it upon himself to take his robe off and confront haye. Haye closed the show. If Chisora didn't want a confrontation, he should have remained seated. Why did he leave his seat? To conduct an interview? Did he not threaten to give Haye "2 slaps" when they meet"? Did he not threaten to break his jaw?

Haye was not responsible. He did what those with the fight (as opposed to flight) gene would do. Close the show.

Ah, so its humility and contrition you want. I supposed you also liked the mass national grief when Diana died.

Azania, why do you talk such rubbish about the legality of what happened? Haye would have a lot to answer for in court if charges were brought against him and clearly had a lot to do with the melee in Munich. It is only YOU that thinks otherwise, the rest of the sane world thinks David Haye is a lot to blame for what happened.

Haye was provocative. He may have been entitled to be at the press conferance but he was not entitled to derail it or behave in the manner he did. He didnt have an argument with K2. He just wanted to shout himself into a fight.

Super D Boon wrote:Azania, why do you talk such rubbish about the legality of what happened? Haye would have a lot to answer for in court if charges were brought against him and clearly had a lot to do with the melee in Munich. It is only YOU that thinks otherwise, the rest of the sane world thinks David Haye is a lot to blame for what happened.

No arrest warrant on him. Its up to Chisora to press charges. The concept of innocent until proven guilty is something to be treasured isn't it?

I haven't once said Haye is entirely innocent. But 99% of the blame rests with Chisora. He responded to Haye goading VITALI. He left the chair. He was the one who had slapped and spat at others and he was the one who had previously threatened Haye. Those are the facts leading up to the locked horns. So after previously locking horns with Vitali and slapping him, its not a great leap of faith to assume the same would have happened to haye.

Do you think he was going there to interview Haye?

This just makes me laugh so much, people think Haye is a "Holly Willaboobie" or whatever, BUT MAN!!!!!!!!!!!! Can that guy make people talk about him!!!

manos de piedra wrote:Haye was provocative. He may have been entitled to be at the press conferance but he was not entitled to derail it or behave in the manner he did. He didnt have an argument with K2. He just wanted to shout himself into a fight.

Oh come on manos. You know this sort of thing happens all the time and its part and parcel of boxing. Fighters who want a shot at the champ often gate-crash pressers and scream blue murder. The defeated guy usually stays sat. In fact most people remain seated. Only a fool would leave their seat to confront the person doing the goading.

AlexHuckerby wrote:This just makes me laugh so much, people think Haye is a "Holly Willaboobie" or whatever, BUT MAN!!!!!!!!!!!! Can that guy make people talk about him!!!

And pay to watch him also. People take trash talking too seriously.

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:Haye was provocative. He may have been entitled to be at the press conferance but he was not entitled to derail it or behave in the manner he did. He didnt have an argument with K2. He just wanted to shout himself into a fight.

Oh come on manos. You know this sort of thing happens all the time and its part and parcel of boxing. Fighters who want a shot at the champ often gate-crash pressers and scream blue murder. The defeated guy usually stays sat. In fact most people remain seated. Only a fool would leave their seat to confront the person doing the goading.

I dont think it does happen all the time to be honest. I cant think of many times a fighter has shown up to a press conferance that doesnt involve him, start derailing it and then punch and attack people with weapons. At least when Holmes, Tyson etc did it, it was because they were actually involved in the fight.

Of course Chisora has to accept some of the responsibility but I dont think he has to accept all of it. Haye brought it on himself to alrge extent and has to accept a share of the responsibilty in my view. I think both are to blame.

manos de piedra wrote:

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:Haye was provocative. He may have been entitled to be at the press conferance but he was not entitled to derail it or behave in the manner he did. He didnt have an argument with K2. He just wanted to shout himself into a fight.

Oh come on manos. You know this sort of thing happens all the time and its part and parcel of boxing. Fighters who want a shot at the champ often gate-crash pressers and scream blue murder. The defeated guy usually stays sat. In fact most people remain seated. Only a fool would leave their seat to confront the person doing the goading.

I dont think it does happen all the time to be honest. I cant think of many times a fighter has shown up to a press conferance that doesnt involve him, start derailing it and then punch and attack people with weapons. At least when Holmes, Tyson etc did it, it was because they were actually involved in the fight.

Of course Chisora has to accept some of the responsibility but I dont think he has to accept all of it. Haye brought it on himself to alrge extent and has to accept a share of the responsibilty in my view. I think both are to blame.

It happens frequently. Holmes did it to Spinks after he beat Ali. Spinks handler's had to restrain him (thankfully for spinks). Such things happen and nothing comes out of it other than some self promotion. But I believe this is the first tiome that I know where the defeated fighter leaves the seat to face off with the person who wants to challenge the winner.

Abril did it to get the fight with Rios...? Thats the only one I can think recently.

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:Haye was provocative. He may have been entitled to be at the press conferance but he was not entitled to derail it or behave in the manner he did. He didnt have an argument with K2. He just wanted to shout himself into a fight.

Oh come on manos. You know this sort of thing happens all the time and its part and parcel of boxing. Fighters who want a shot at the champ often gate-crash pressers and scream blue murder. The defeated guy usually stays sat. In fact most people remain seated. Only a fool would leave their seat to confront the person doing the goading.

I dont think it does happen all the time to be honest. I cant think of many times a fighter has shown up to a press conferance that doesnt involve him, start derailing it and then punch and attack people with weapons. At least when Holmes, Tyson etc did it, it was because they were actually involved in the fight.

Of course Chisora has to accept some of the responsibility but I dont think he has to accept all of it. Haye brought it on himself to alrge extent and has to accept a share of the responsibilty in my view. I think both are to blame.

It happens frequently. Holmes did it to Spinks after he beat Ali. Spinks handler's had to restrain him (thankfully for spinks). Such things happen and nothing comes out of it other than some self promotion. But I believe this is the first tiome that I know where the defeated fighter leaves the seat to face off with the person who wants to challenge the winner.

It doesnt happen frequently. When it has happened, its usually an incident between two fighters who are scheduled to fight. Not two well beaten challengers looking for scarcely deserved rematches and seldom involving the use of camera tripods.

I dont really understand how people can think Hayes behaviour did not have a significant impact on the causing the incident.

Im not to fussed really trying to pin or apportion blame on one party or the other. I just dont really see one can think of it as anything other than a case of it takes two to tango.

It doesnt happen frequently. When it has happened, its usually an incident between two fighters who are scheduled to fight. Not two well beaten challengers looking for scarcely deserved rematches and seldom involving the use of camera tripods.

I dont really understand how people can think Hayes behaviour did not have a significant impact on the causing the incident.

Im not to fussed really trying to pin or apportion blame on one party or the other. I just dont really see one can think of it as anything other than a case of it takes two to

tango.

Had Chisora remained seated the brawl would not have happened. Haye may have a loud mouth but I cant recall him being involved in any brawls or scuffles with anyone.

Had Haye not been at the press conferance, not derailed it, not insulted chisora and chosen at anytime to quiet down or walk away then the brawl would not have happened either.

He had every right to be there. He was goading Vitali into signing for a fight and not even talking to Derek.In fact Derek started the insults at Haye and not the other way around. So I don't see how Haye was being provocative.

Neither fighter is particularly intelligent or placid so I guess it was always going to happen putting 2 idiots in the same room

He had a right to be at the press conferance, but not to behave in that manner. I thinks its pretty important distinction to choose not to recognise. He had no right to disprupt and derail the entire press conferance for purely self serving interests at an event that had nothing to do with him personally.

Haye had no need to be there whether you like it or not Az he was as much if not more to blame than Chisora. The press conference had absolutely nothing to do with him so only has himself to blame for derailing the whole situation.

Haye had every right to be there. If he was allowed in then its not exactly against the law is it? Im not defending the clown although its makes me laugh how when I wanted Wlad to give him a pasting people had a go at me and now Haye is public enemy number 1 but Chisora was the one who got up off his seat and caused the confrontation so he was to blame. Lets be honest neither fighter is exactly someone you would want to have a quiet beer with

manos de piedra wrote:He had a right to be at the press conferance, but not to behave in that manner. I thinks its pretty important distinction to choose not to recognise. He had no right to disprupt and derail the entire press conferance for purely self serving interests at an event that had nothing to do with him personally.

Behaving in that manner is not out of the ordinary for many boxers. Lets be real here. Haye was trying to short cut his way to a title shot. Everyone knows that. He talks a good fight etc. K2 had (allegedly) verbally agreed to give him a shot also. He was hyping it up. Ali did it all the time prior to his first shot at the title. He did it on a few occasions when Sonny defended. You're acting as if this is a new thing in boxing.

Who cares about what has happened in the past, it still doesn't make it right.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Haye had no need to be there whether you like it or not Az he was as much if not more to blame than Chisora. The press conference had absolutely nothing to do with him so only has himself to blame for derailing the whole situation.

He had no need to be there but he was there hyping a potential fight and hoping to put more bums on seats. Its happened before in boxing has it not. Did a fracas happen with other boxers? Do you think other boxers would have ran when Chisora left their seats or would the security have prevented any confrontation?

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:He had a right to be at the press conferance, but not to behave in that manner. I thinks its pretty important distinction to choose not to recognise. He had no right to disprupt and derail the entire press conferance for purely self serving interests at an event that had nothing to do with him personally.

Behaving in that manner is not out of the ordinary for many boxers. Lets be real here. Haye was trying to short cut his way to a title shot. Everyone knows that. He talks a good fight etc. K2 had (allegedly) verbally agreed to give him a shot also. He was hyping it up. Ali did it all the time prior to his first shot at the title. He did it on a few occasions when Sonny defended. You're acting as if this is a new thing in boxing.

No Im saying it isnt a valid excuse or justification. Hence Haye has to bear some of the responsibility.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Who cares about what has happened in the past, it still doesn't make it right.

I see. Another case where we draw a line. I can guarantee you that before 2012 ends another boxer will brawl with a potential opponent (if the security don't stop them). Do we draw a line there also?

Of course it wasn't right, but the outbreak of hand wringing morality is nauseating. Its happened for the past 100 years for heavens sake. When did this morality start. When Cameron won the election?

manos de piedra wrote:

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:He had a right to be at the press conferance, but not to behave in that manner. I thinks its pretty important distinction to choose not to recognise. He had no right to disprupt and derail the entire press conferance for purely self serving interests at an event that had nothing to do with him personally.

Behaving in that manner is not out of the ordinary for many boxers. Lets be real here. Haye was trying to short cut his way to a title shot. Everyone knows that. He talks a good fight etc. K2 had (allegedly) verbally agreed to give him a shot also. He was hyping it up. Ali did it all the time prior to his first shot at the title. He did it on a few occasions when Sonny defended. You're acting as if this is a new thing in boxing.

No Im saying it isnt a valid excuse or justification. Hence Haye has to bear some of the responsibility.

A very slight responsiility. He also should have taken into account the volatile nature of Chisora, the silly security etc etc etc.

The argument is not about "hand wringing morality". Its about whether Haye should bear some responsibility for the incident. Whether I cared or not that the brawl happened wouldnt change that I though Haye was partially responsible.

manos de piedra wrote:The argument is not about "hand wringing morality". Its about whether Haye should bear some responsibility for the incident. Whether I cared or not that the brawl happened wouldnt change that I though Haye was partially responsible.

I've said he bears a very slight responsibility. I stand by that. Over 90% of the blame lies with Chisora. Haye being at the presser was not threatening to anyone. Haye goading Vitali was not threatening to Chisora. Chisora leaving his seat and confronting Haye was threatening.