Haye Sky interview

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kpGl16U9w8

Ok He always irritated me, Now I think the guy is a world class Holly Wilaboobie.

I hope Chisora gives him rude awakening..

88Chris05 wrote:

azania wrote:I don't hide behind weaponised English.

Oh I don't know, Az. Not sure anyone else could roll out a word such as 'weaponised' the way you can!

Fine and dignified response, to be fair. Don't agree with much of it, but that's besides the point. Also, upon reflection, that post of mine wasn't the most diplomatic, so I will get rid as well as offering an apology. That's a begrudging apology, mind you!

Weaponised English was a term used by Steve Biko in his trial. It was about the meaning of the word "conflict". It has various interpritations and in South Africa the word was associated in a negative sense with one group. Biko stated that weaponised english was used against the majority population. Conflict could mean difference of opinion being debated or violence.

Apology accepted without the weaponised element.

Sugar Floyd Louis wrote:Sorry but that interview was hilarious.

I can imagine the celebrations that would happen on here should Haye lose.

Exactly. I found it funny also.

manos de piedra wrote:I dont really agree with the boring fight argument as to why the Klitschkos arent popular in the U.S. Ironically most of their best fights have happened there.

Vitali v Lewis - good tear up
Vitali v Johnson - 2 round blow out
Vitali v Williams - massacre
Vitali v Sanders - decent scrap

Wlad v Mercer/Peter II/Brewster 1 were all in the U.S and were not boring fights.

The thing is that they dont set the pulse racing. Its not because they're not american. Its that they are boring people. The HW champ is supposed to transcend the sport. These guys barely make ripples.

azania wrote:

Sugar Floyd Louis wrote:Sorry but that interview was hilarious.

I can imagine the celebrations that would happen on here should Haye lose.

Exactly. I found it funny also.

Do you agree on a personal level... making sure you're not a victim?

Haye could've put his points across better, but I found myself agreeing with him; with Chisora's history I don't see how anyone could've wanted Haye to react in a civilised manner.

It is largely because they are not American in my view. If they were American they would be massive in America.

Holyfield is surely the antithesus of what a heavyweight champ should be then outside the ring in your view. Praises the lord, praises his opponents, turns the other cheek. In fact hes more or less a heavyweight version of Andre Ward. You would be hard pressed to find too many guys that did better numbers than him.

Sugar Floyd Louis wrote:

azania wrote:

Sugar Floyd Louis wrote:Sorry but that interview was hilarious.

I can imagine the celebrations that would happen on here should Haye lose.

Exactly. I found it funny also.

Do you agree on a personal level... making sure you're not a victim?

Haye could've put his points across better, but I found myself agreeing with him; with Chisora's history I don't see how anyone could've wanted Haye to react in a civilised manner.

Nah. Its all by design. He wants to come across in that manner. Controversy sells. If he came across as humble he would be just another run of the mill boring boxer.

manos de piedra wrote:It is largely because they are not American in my view. If they were American they would be massive in America.

Holyfield is surely the antithesus of what a heavyweight champ should be then outside the ring in your view. Praises the lord, praises his opponents, turns the other cheek. In fact hes more or less a heavyweight version of Andre Ward. You would be hard pressed to find too many guys that did better numbers than him.

The difference is that Ward is head and shoulders above his nearest competitor. Plus he is not exciting. People assume he will win most fights. Holy was a very exciting fighter. His fight with Dokes was brilliant. His Qawi fights were also thrilling. And when he beat Tyson, his God squad persona helped him (tyson was the devil). Lets ignore Holy's hypocracy though.

What a stupid interview, classless thug

He didn't knock chisora out, he hit him and then got rugby tackled to the floor and ran a mile. He's acting like chisora was on floor Paul Williams style.

Also, playing off that the Wlad fight wasnt exciting because of the style, not due to the fact that Haye didn't want to fight. He must have known that he was losing on the cards yet didn't try to push the pace and be aggressive.

Yes but I am specifying outside the ring persona. You keep shifting the argument to inside the ring stuff and then outside the ring stuff depending on what suits the particular point.

Holyfield by your argument is "boring" outside of the ring. This is what the basis of the original argument was. "If everyone was boring outside of the ring boxing would disappear" and then numerous references to Ricky Burns. If Ricky Burns delivered like Holyfield did in the ring then nobody would care he didnt trash talk his opponents.

What a stupid interview, classless thug

He didn't knock chisora out, he hit him and then got rugby tackled to the floor and ran a mile. He's acting like chisora was on floor Paul Williams style.

Also, playing off that the Wlad fight wasnt exciting because of the style, not due to the fact that Haye didn't want to fight. He must have known that he was losing on the cards yet didn't try to push the pace and be aggressive.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:What a stupid interview, classless thug

He didn't knock chisora out, he hit him and then got rugby tackled to the floor and ran a mile. He's acting like chisora was on floor Paul Williams style.

Also, playing off that the Wlad fight wasnt exciting because of the style, not due to the fact that Haye didn't want to fight. He must have known that he was losing on the cards yet didn't try to push the pace and be aggressive.

That takes away all the credit which Wlad is due for putting up a masterful performance. Haye wasn't allowed to do anything. He ran into a superior boxer who imposed his game on the fight from the first bell.

I bet if the Haye haters (Hayeters?) had a crystal ball and knew for a fact that Haye was going to get knocked out cold, they'd sell a kidney in the hope of watching it live. Strongback would dress as a ring card girl if it meant he got to be near his cyber nemesis on the night he was KO'd.

It's quite simple fellas, if you don't like the guy...ignore him.

I love it how Haye reckons he's always doing the public a favour by taking these fights.

What was it to "end the joke" that was Audley Harrison. Many thanks for that David, it was a belter!

And......to "save heavyweight boxing" by sparking out Wlad. Ooh if it weren't for that damned little toe heavyweight boxing would be saaavvveeddd!!! But such a brave perofrmnace from David there , most men would have quit on their stool but you fought valiantly til the end!!

And now to defeat "the idiot" that is Dereck Chisora because....apparently....so many people on the streets have been begging Haye to do a number on Del Boy

Just where would we be without David Haye to save our sport! I only wish the fight was on Sky so I could pay what I think this fight is worth. If it was £15 I would have a blarney with the telphone operator and INSIST on paying what I think it is worth and that is at least £40!

You lot should be glad it's on Boxnation on a cheap rolling contract. Such bargains come along once in a lieftime!

Super D Boon wrote:I love it how Haye reckons he's always doing the public a favour by taking these fights.

What was it to "end the joke" that was Audley Harrison. Many thanks for that David, it was a belter!

And......to "save heavyweight boxing" by sparking out Wlad. Ooh if it weren't for that damned little toe heavyweight boxing would be saaavvveeddd!!! But such a brave perofrmnace from David there , most men would have quit on their stool but you fought valiantly til the end!!

And now to defeat "the idiot" that is Dereck Chisora because....apparently....so many people on the streets have been begging Haye to do a number on Del Boy

Just where would we be without David Haye to save our sport! I only wish the fight was on Sky so I could pay what I think this fight is worth. If it was £15 I would have a blarney with the telphone operator and INSIST on paying what I think it is worth and that is at least £40!

You lot should be glad it's on Boxnation on a cheap rolling contract. Such bargains come along once in a lieftime!

And Haye gets a cut out of every new subscriber. You gonna pay to feed his kids lobster instead of prawns?

azania wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:I love it how Haye reckons he's always doing the public a favour by taking these fights.

What was it to "end the joke" that was Audley Harrison. Many thanks for that David, it was a belter!

And......to "save heavyweight boxing" by sparking out Wlad. Ooh if it weren't for that damned little toe heavyweight boxing would be saaavvveeddd!!! But such a brave perofrmnace from David there , most men would have quit on their stool but you fought valiantly til the end!!

And now to defeat "the idiot" that is Dereck Chisora because....apparently....so many people on the streets have been begging Haye to do a number on Del Boy

Just where would we be without David Haye to save our sport! I only wish the fight was on Sky so I could pay what I think this fight is worth. If it was £15 I would have a blarney with the telphone operator and INSIST on paying what I think it is worth and that is at least £40!

You lot should be glad it's on Boxnation on a cheap rolling contract. Such bargains come along once in a lieftime!

And Haye gets a cut out of every new subscriber. You gonna pay to feed his kids lobster instead of prawns?

I aint paid a penny to David Haye Azania. I have never wanted to pay for his fights. The ones of him I have watched were down the pub.

azania wrote:OK, look at Ward. Supreme talent, but as boring as can be. He can't draw flies. With his style, he needs to develop a character other than the God fearing guy who is ever so humble.

Look at Floyd, probably the most talented boxer after RJJ for a generation. If he were to have the same personality as Ward, he would not be the box office draw that he is.

No matter how you market Ward, he wouldn't sell. If Ward had the personality of Haye, that guy would be huge.

Wouldn't it be great if this was all part of a plan. Imagine if Ward publically denounces christianity and becomes a no-morals bad-ass, like a cross between Mayweather and Toney. He'd be raking it in.

Yeah, he's his usual brash annoying self in this interview but I have to say, she is even worse. What a shill (like you'd expect anything else from a Murdoch minion. She's clearly been briefed to give Haye a hard time purely because this fight's on BoxNation and not Sky. It has NOTHING to do with any objective moral standpoint one way or the other.

If this fight was on Sky they'd be creaming themselves and the steer of their coverage would be 100% switched around. Just so hypocritical.

Mayweathers cellmate wrote:

azania wrote:OK, look at Ward. Supreme talent, but as boring as can be. He can't draw flies. With his style, he needs to develop a character other than the God fearing guy who is ever so humble.

Look at Floyd, probably the most talented boxer after RJJ for a generation. If he were to have the same personality as Ward, he would not be the box office draw that he is.

No matter how you market Ward, he wouldn't sell. If Ward had the personality of Haye, that guy would be huge.

Wouldn't it be great if this was all part of a plan. Imagine if Ward publically denounces christianity and becomes a no-morals bad-ass, like a cross between Mayweather and Toney. He'd be raking it in.

He better do something.

Haye, for all his mouthing off and big man talk, always comes across as a bit thick. Yes, it may be self promotion and behind the scenes he reads to blind retarded kids in his spare time, but he lacks the razor sharpness of the likes of Ali or Mayweather.

His taunts and jeers are reminiscent of a stupid school bully. A war of words between fighters is not necessarily a bad thing, but looking back at the way he spoke to, and about, Wlad in the build up to their fight, that behaviour sums him up perfectly. It was playground level stuff (aimed at his target audience) such as making a fool of his accent (the Borat quips), refusing to appear in the studio with him etc. Scraping the barrel stuff.

He might know what needs to be done to promote his fights, but he lacks real intelligence

Yeah you're right. In boxing fans buy fights either because they really like the way a boxer fights, or because they want to see someone they don't like lose.

Ward will never attract fans with his negative style, and he's too nice for people to pay to see him get beat.

He's kind of like a more boring version of the Klitschkos inside and out of the ring.

I don't like seeing people say that Haye performed poorly against Wlad because he's feeding bull about the styles - Haye performed about as well as Wlad let him. It wasn't a poor Haye we saw, it was an excellent Wlad.

I can't defend the Harrison fight.

I can't defend the Valuev fight, that was a snorefest until Haye actually threw.

I enjoyed the Ruiz fight, but Ruiz stood there and took bombs and didn't go down as easily as say Enzo Mac and he was being hit with some peaches.

Haye is still an excellent boxer and hasn't performed "poorly" unless you rate him on the Harrison fight, but for all intents and purposes he decked him in the third, took a while for a punch to be thrown which is poor, but when he went for it although one sided I see that as Harrison being terrible rather than Haye.

If Haye doesn't deliver then he's done. He needs a 7th/8th round KO of Chisora to send a message to Vitali, otherwise he's just going to retire again.

JM I think the issue with the Wlad fight has never been about him losing, as to be honest plenty expected him to do just that I think it is more the bile and invective his spewed before hand gave people an expectation that were he to lose the least they could expect is him going out on his shield in some sort of blaze of glory death before dishonour effort. It was Haye who was only too willing to deride the likes of Peter and Thompson for the timid way they folded before the brothers but when in the same situation or when it was apparent only a Ko would rescue his cause what really did Haye do to avoid going out like those that had gone before him?

Exactly and all those fighters who were overweight bums etc etc paid for that title shot with everything they could give and it wasn't enough. Haye didn't even have the decency to try. All he did was run. I can understand a potshot strategy but this was nothing of the sort. You can see even from the shift in perception of Wlad - who is just now beginning to get grudging plaudits from most people that maybe all these guys werent so bad but the Klitschkos were so good.

I think Haye came with the intention of knocking Wlad out. I don't think he was in there to survive and looked like he wanted it. Wlad just refused to let him fight his fight which sort of showed us the gulf in class between the Kbros and everyone else out there. If that were say Povetkin or to a lesser extent someone like Adamek - he'd blast them out, even with the "sore toe" but Wlad and Vit are just that good that once you stand across from them and plan A doesn't work, they're too good to allow you to adjust. I've had it happen to me. I've sparred (jokes welcome) with some people who are just incredible and although against other people I'm considered as a great jabber, if I throw my jab at these people I'm quickly regretting it, this means if plan B (countering) doesn't work. I'm forced onto the back foot. You can't say "Haye ran away" he just had no way of getting past the excellent Klitschko.

I just wish the man was like he is away from the cameras. I know a few people who've had dealings with him/Hayemaker promotions and they all say he's a really nice guy. This person we all see is a media clown and to be honest, he can only do that if he had the balls to have a CV that has the best names on there. it doesn't therefore he looks like a moron.

Haye realised after 4 rounds that he wasn't good enough to win so he just waited around on the outside looking for a lapse in Wlad's concentration that never came. He didn't have the bravery to try to force the fight into a brawl which was his only possible way of winning so he decided he'd rather dodge the jabs and avoid getting hurt and hope that one of his hail marys would do the trick. He still somehow, after being relieved of his title and after his feeble performance believes that he sits on the top table of world heavies and due to the sheer enormity of his ego he cannot understand why the Ks don't want more of him.

If that were say Povetkin or to a lesser extent someone like Adamek - he'd blast them out..

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This is what puzzles me. Wht would he "blast them out"? What evidence is there thast he should be able to do that. His only notable win at heavy was to beat Valuev who had already been beaten by an ordinary heavy in Chagaev (more impressively) and an ancient Holyfield (got robbed) and Haye was lucky to get away with the title given he was fighting a very negative fight in Germany.

I can't see any reason why Haye smashes up Povetkin or Adamek who are both fairly prime. Haye has beaten old versions of Barrett and Tuiz who were never much good, his career really isn't that great!

Got to say I agree D, that is one of the things that puzzles me with Haye the almost certainty many have that his position as best of the rest is a given. I am not saying he is not the third best heavy in the world, he may well be but his record and achievments at the weight do not really warrant him being accepted as such without proving it, does he really walk over through someone like Solis?

"Lesser extent Adamek" (I think it would be a good fight that actually)

Povetkin has no actual ability that I can see that suggests he's a good heavyweight. Put him with a Klitschko and he will get murdered. Put him in with Haye and it'll get stopped. He's slow. Valuev had size to sort of stop Haye actually reaching him.

I see you're a "Hayeter" so its difficult to tell you that he's a long way behind the Kbros but still a rather good boxer.

Id fancy Haye over Adamek. But Id make Povetkin a 50/50 fight. He wasnt all that impressive over Huck recently but before that he has some good performances over Chagaev, Chambers and Byrd amongst others and I think his record at the weight is better than Hayes. I would make Solis a small favourite over Haye.

Oooh. Manos that is a box of frogs there.

Povetkin is too lumbering. Wlad has his jab and excellent conditioning, he also has a hammer of a right. Povetkin has none of these things.

Solis.....I'd say early days...

Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake wrote:Haye, for all his mouthing off and big man talk, always comes across as a bit thick. Yes, it may be self promotion and behind the scenes he reads to blind retarded kids in his spare time, but he lacks the razor sharpness of the likes of Ali or Mayweather.

His taunts and jeers are reminiscent of a stupid school bully. A war of words between fighters is not necessarily a bad thing, but looking back at the way he spoke to, and about, Wlad in the build up to their fight, that behaviour sums him up perfectly. It was playground level stuff (aimed at his target audience) such as making a fool of his accent (the Borat quips), refusing to appear in the studio with him etc. Scraping the barrel stuff.

He might know what needs to be done to promote his fights, but he lacks real intelligence

Oh come on. How many have the wit of Ali or Mayweather? I described this fight as a poor man's Ali/Frazier and will describe Haye as a poor man's Ali for all his trash-talking. Different league altogether. Its like comparing Man Utd with Crawley Town FC.

Actually Povetkin is a tidy boxer who polarises opinion, many seem to think he's very very good while others more a bum beating bigger bums. He's pretty 1D but has fast hands from what I've seen. Very solid and has the kind of snap in his punches that would trouble Haye and if he turned up like a prime athlete rather than Bob my local butcher then I'd say he'd have plenty to offer David Haye in the way of trouble. I agree he'd get the usual one-two beat down by the Ks but he'd give Haye much more of an argument. Solis is another who really does look like he could be something and a load of trouble for Haye. Arreola, again a flabby guy but is very good when he keeps out of Taco Bell. Three boxers I'd say could dispute Haye's notion that he somehow owns the number 3 spot. I think Haye would beat Adamek though, have never rated Adamek who's big win came against a very fat Arreola, who would surely whip Adamek if he bothered to train.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I don't like seeing people say that Haye performed poorly against Wlad because he's feeding bull about the styles - Haye performed about as well as Wlad let him. It wasn't a poor Haye we saw, it was an excellent Wlad.

I can't defend the Harrison fight.

I can't defend the Valuev fight, that was a snorefest until Haye actually threw.

I enjoyed the Ruiz fight, but Ruiz stood there and took bombs and didn't go down as easily as say Enzo Mac and he was being hit with some peaches.

Haye is still an excellent boxer and hasn't performed "poorly" unless you rate him on the Harrison fight, but for all intents and purposes he decked him in the third, took a while for a punch to be thrown which is poor, but when he went for it although one sided I see that as Harrison being terrible rather than Haye.

If Haye doesn't deliver then he's done. He needs a 7th/8th round KO of Chisora to send a message to Vitali, otherwise he's just going to retire again.

ShahenshahG wrote:Exactly and all those fighters who were overweight bums etc etc paid for that title shot with everything they could give and it wasn't enough. Haye didn't even have the decency to try. All he did was run. I can understand a potshot strategy but this was nothing of the sort. You can see even from the shift in perception of Wlad - who is just now beginning to get grudging plaudits from most people that maybe all these guys werent so bad but the Klitschkos were so good.

He wasn't running. He was trying not to get hit and then to launch his own attacks. Wlad didn't allow him to attack. That jab was in his face the moment he thought of attacking. I dont buy the excuse that Haye fought poorly. I said many times before the fight that it would be an easy night for Wlad. Was ridiculed as usual. Haye would beat Vitali though.

Wlad is a superb boxer. I just find him exceptionally boring.

Super D Boon wrote:Haye realised after 4 rounds that he wasn't good enough to win so he just waited around on the outside looking for a lapse in Wlad's concentration that never came. He didn't have the bravery to try to force the fight into a brawl which was his only possible way of winning so he decided he'd rather dodge the jabs and avoid getting hurt and hope that one of his hail marys would do the trick. He still somehow, after being relieved of his title and after his feeble performance believes that he sits on the top table of world heavies and due to the sheer enormity of his ego he cannot understand why the Ks don't want more of him.

He wasn't allowed to do anything and more to the point, Haye is not a brawler.

K2 have lapped the field and Haye is positioning his mouth in the right place.

Povetkin is no Wlad, but I dont think he has to be to beat Haye.

Povetkin has a high workrate, natural size advantage, good shot variety and ability to pressure all of which I think makes life very tough for Haye. On the other side, hes easy to hit to so would expect Haye to have some joy finding him using his backfoot strategy. How he fares against Chisora would influence me more but as it stands I see it as a pick em between himself and Povetkin. Both have very different strengths and weaknesses. I think Povetkin has the slightly more proven credentials at heavyweight though having been a natural at the weight and a more extensive record there.

Love sacks Az - You werent some sort of Colin Hart Type Messiah - Haye was half and half to get a battering because people were expecting a great fight either way - instead he legged it. Running is fair enough - If you do something constructive with it. The only thing faster than Haye fleeing Wlad that night was his toe coming out. Moved pretty well for a guy with a broken toe. He knew he was going to lose so he ran rather than trying to win otherwise he wouldnt have been so hasty in getting his excuses out. Up to the third he tried and after that it was a token attempt in the last round.

azania wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:Haye realised after 4 rounds that he wasn't good enough to win so he just waited around on the outside looking for a lapse in Wlad's concentration that never came. He didn't have the bravery to try to force the fight into a brawl which was his only possible way of winning so he decided he'd rather dodge the jabs and avoid getting hurt and hope that one of his hail marys would do the trick. He still somehow, after being relieved of his title and after his feeble performance believes that he sits on the top table of world heavies and due to the sheer enormity of his ego he cannot understand why the Ks don't want more of him.

He wasn't allowed to do anything and more to the point, Haye is not a brawler.

K2 have lapped the field and Haye is positioning his mouth in the right place.

Yeah I know, he's a bottler instead. He knew his plan to wait on the outside and launch bombs when he saw the opening. This didn't work so he kept on doing the same knowing that Wlad wouldn't force the pace either. He had one desperate attempt in the last round to turn it around but the rest of the time he fought like a man who knew he was out of his depth so just went through the motions and thought about his nice paycheque. I bet he dreamed up the toe excuse in the middle of the fight.

According to Haye's recently published biography (wonderfully reviewed in the valut) Haye's injury was genuine and he had it throughout training, however on the back of painkilling injections it has no effect on his ability to spar and train, in fact both the author, who had been with Haye in camp innumerable times and Booth all agreed he had never looked better in sparring or training and the impression given is he went into the fight as ready and prepared as he could ever hope to be.

Ah but it is but a biography? What will the autobiography say?

It is indeed a biography D but it is endorsed by Haye, he even writes the foreword so until Haye writes an autobiography guess it is as good as it gets. However given I have bought and read one book on Haye someone else can review that one when it arrives, two Haye books on my bookshelf would make the collection look a mess.

You would probably lose your last toehold on the cliff of respectability.

i dont really buy into the wlad didnt let him fight. if running around the ring avoiding him was hayes best possible performance then sign me up im sure i could do equally as bad and will do it for cheaper aswell. this was his biggest ever fight and only had one game plan, to knock out wlad. after that he had no idea whatsover. nearly every one expected wlad to win so no shame in losing but after all the talk he could have at least gambled. even chisora give it his all against vitali. one round haye went for it by which time it was far too late

It does not take much for Haye just to say something like...

"I dont think I was to blame, but we all have our opinions, how ever, I am sorry I was seen like that and sorry it happened and we don't need to see that in boxing and I just want to say if any kids are watching that was not what the real Haye is about, we now have the chance to do it where your meant to do it, in the ring, and thats where you will see the real Haye"

Would that of hurt Haye?, it would have done the event a favor with all the bad press around it.... and would have made it a bit easier to defend the fight...

tunes666 wrote:It does not take much for Haye just to say something like...

"I dont think I was to blame, but we all have our opinions, how ever, I am sorry I was seen like that and sorry it happened and we don't need to see that in boxing and I just want to say if any kids are watching that was not what the real Haye is about, we now have the chance to do it where your meant to do it, in the ring, and thats where you will see the real Haye"

Would that of hurt Haye?, it would have done the event a favor with all the bad press around it.... and would have made it a bit easier to defend the fight...

certainly dont see how it harms the fight, apart from az who likes to get all exicted when fighters put on fake bravado

azania wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

azania wrote:I don't hide behind weaponised English.

Oh I don't know, Az. Not sure anyone else could roll out a word such as 'weaponised' the way you can!

Fine and dignified response, to be fair. Don't agree with much of it, but that's besides the point. Also, upon reflection, that post of mine wasn't the most diplomatic, so I will get rid as well as offering an apology. That's a begrudging apology, mind you!

Weaponised English was a term used by Steve Biko in his trial. It was about the meaning of the word "conflict". It has various interpritations and in South Africa the word was associated in a negative sense with one group. Biko stated that weaponised english was used against the majority population. Conflict could mean difference of opinion being debated or violence.

Apology accepted without the weaponised element.

Is that the South African spelling?!

Anyway pretty amazing to see a reference to Steve Biko on here...I'm such a pinko I even bought a Peter Gabriel song about him once.It was rubbish

DAVE667 wrote:I bet if the Haye haters (Hayeters?) had a crystal ball and knew for a fact that Haye was going to get knocked out cold, they'd sell a kidney in the hope of watching it live. Strongback would dress as a ring card girl if it meant he got to be near his cyber nemesis on the night he was KO'd.

It's quite simple fellas, if you don't like the guy...ignore him.

Dave, when it comes to Haye you are the yin to my yang.

You've had your mouth wrapped around Haye's chocolate salties for quite a few years.

You now know he is a horrible specimen and while you admit this your deep love for the man won't allow you to let go and move on..

derrick seemed abit OFF

Super D Boon wrote:

azania wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:Haye realised after 4 rounds that he wasn't good enough to win so he just waited around on the outside looking for a lapse in Wlad's concentration that never came. He didn't have the bravery to try to force the fight into a brawl which was his only possible way of winning so he decided he'd rather dodge the jabs and avoid getting hurt and hope that one of his hail marys would do the trick. He still somehow, after being relieved of his title and after his feeble performance believes that he sits on the top table of world heavies and due to the sheer enormity of his ego he cannot understand why the Ks don't want more of him.

He wasn't allowed to do anything and more to the point, Haye is not a brawler.

K2 have lapped the field and Haye is positioning his mouth in the right place.

Yeah I know, he's a bottler instead. He knew his plan to wait on the outside and launch bombs when he saw the opening. This didn't work so he kept on doing the same knowing that Wlad wouldn't force the pace either. He had one desperate attempt in the last round to turn it around but the rest of the time he fought like a man who knew he was out of his depth so just went through the motions and thought about his nice paycheque. I bet he dreamed up the toe excuse in the middle of the fight.

I find it very sad when a so-called boxing fan calls a boxer a bottler. Not only is it very wrong, it is also a disgraceful comment seeing as it is the boxer risking his life to entertain the public. One punch from Wlad could have lasting and permanent damage and you can sit there and call a boxer a bottler. It says more about you that it does Haye.

Haye was outclassed by a better boxer. That is the long and short of it.

compelling and rich wrote:i dont really buy into the wlad didnt let him fight. if running around the ring avoiding him was hayes best possible performance then sign me up im sure i could do equally as bad and will do it for cheaper aswell. this was his biggest ever fight and only had one game plan, to knock out wlad. after that he had no idea whatsover. nearly every one expected wlad to win so no shame in losing but after all the talk he could have at least gambled. even chisora give it his all against vitali. one round haye went for it by which time it was far too late

Chisora's style is to bore forward. Haye's style against bigger guys (one who he thinks was chinny) was to pot shot and try to utilise his supposed speed advantage. He failed and didn't have a Plan B. You wouldn't last 10 seconds with Haye with or without IJL as a ref and including a count.

Vitali is not a good a boxer as Wlad. Haye would probably beat Vitali.