Irish Summer Tour Squad

by clivemcl Mon 21 May 2012, 12:05 pm

First topic message reminder :

RELAND SUMMER TOUR SQUAD (New Zealand 2012):

Backs (13):

Darren Cave (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Gordon D'Arcy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster)
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)
Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
Brian O'Driscoll (UCD/Leinster) (capt)
Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster) *
AN Other

Forwards (16):

Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster)
Sean Cronin (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Stephen Ferris (Dungannon/Ulster)
Declan Fitzpatrick (Dungannon/Ulster) *
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
Jamie Heaslip (Naas/Leinster)
Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)
Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)
Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
Mike Sherry (Garryowen/Munster) *
Dan Tuohy (Ballymena/Ulster)
AN Other
AN Other
AN Other

by The Great Aukster Thu 24 May 2012, 9:18 pm

Luck? Yes it plays a part. When Jonathan Kaplan watched the ballboy hand Matthew Rees the ball and somehow didn't think that invalidated the quick throw was a piece of good luck for Wales and bad luck for Ireland. When Wayne Barnes carded Ferris for a perfectly good tackle and cost Ireland the game that was bad luck. Maybe Kidney is inherently unlucky and for that alone should be replaced?

by Sin é Thu 24 May 2012, 9:38 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Thorn's circumstances - hardly here a wet day, arrives into a winning team and ends up winning a Heineken Cup medal and is on course to win a Magners trophy now (and not a mention from any of the Leinster supporters that all of this is at the expense of Toner). Thorn is a lucky boy.

No I don't think the Leinster boys were on the couch for two weeks, I think there were training and playing with their provinces (unlike the Welsh or French who were still on international duty).

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make about luck - my point is that along with everything else, you need a bit of luck. I think everyone rates home advantage. Ask the Kiwis about that one (why they have never won a world cup away from home )

Noves circumstances,coaching a team who were knocked out early after a disappointing pool performance and then an upset in the QF,he needs an excuse to take the heat off himself and his players.

Your concern for Toner is touchin but Thorn was only over for 3 months so we'd be excited that he would use that short space of time to pass on his wisdom to Toner who will be fine.Just keep watching him,he improved hugely this year and I hope for more of the same next season.

So what difference did the WC make then the Irish players were at it as well and they weren't resting up when they came home?I fail to see how the WC did any more harm to the French than any of the other nations.

You brough up luck saying Leinster couldn't rely on it again,I'm just pointing out we haven't relied on it at all.Home semi and quarter last year is balanced out by the toughest fixture list in HC history.The Fofana knock on is balanced out by getting drawn away against the best team in France.

Noves didn't moan when Leinster beat Toulouse in the Aviva, so I'd be inclined to listen to him when he does make a point of saying that the very late return of their players has impacted on them.

My point about Toner is that Thorn would realise that he is a lucky boy to "drop in" and get to play a Heineken Cup final and a Magners League final for 3 month's effort at the expense of someone who put in most the graft over the season. Hopefully Toner will have learned from Thorn not to take any crap from Jamie Heaslip.

Would you go away out of that with the toughest fixture list in HC history! Ulster had a fairly difficult route this season with Clermont, Leicester & Munster (their bit of luck was getting Aironi). Munster had a fairly difficult route in the '08 final - all away games in the KOs and Clermont (Coached by Vern Cotter and Joe Schmidt) in the group stages.

by The Great Aukster Thu 24 May 2012, 9:48 pm

Did Kidney use up all his luck with Munster in 08 and so has none left now for the National side?

by Sin é Thu 24 May 2012, 9:58 pm

The Great Aukster wrote:Did Kidney use up all his luck with Munster in 08 and so has none left now for the National side?

If he has used up all his luck, it would have been in '09 going unbeaten for a year and winning the Grand Slam and Churchill Cup.

by GunsGerms Thu 24 May 2012, 10:11 pm

Sin é wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Thorn's circumstances - hardly here a wet day, arrives into a winning team and ends up winning a Heineken Cup medal and is on course to win a Magners trophy now (and not a mention from any of the Leinster supporters that all of this is at the expense of Toner). Thorn is a lucky boy.

No I don't think the Leinster boys were on the couch for two weeks, I think there were training and playing with their provinces (unlike the Welsh or French who were still on international duty).

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make about luck - my point is that along with everything else, you need a bit of luck. I think everyone rates home advantage. Ask the Kiwis about that one (why they have never won a world cup away from home )

Noves circumstances,coaching a team who were knocked out early after a disappointing pool performance and then an upset in the QF,he needs an excuse to take the heat off himself and his players.

Your concern for Toner is touchin but Thorn was only over for 3 months so we'd be excited that he would use that short space of time to pass on his wisdom to Toner who will be fine.Just keep watching him,he improved hugely this year and I hope for more of the same next season.

So what difference did the WC make then the Irish players were at it as well and they weren't resting up when they came home?I fail to see how the WC did any more harm to the French than any of the other nations.

You brough up luck saying Leinster couldn't rely on it again,I'm just pointing out we haven't relied on it at all.Home semi and quarter last year is balanced out by the toughest fixture list in HC history.The Fofana knock on is balanced out by getting drawn away against the best team in France.

Noves didn't moan when Leinster beat Toulouse in the Aviva, so I'd be inclined to listen to him when he does make a point of saying that the very late return of their players has impacted on them.

My point about Toner is that Thorn would realise that he is a lucky boy to "drop in" and get to play a Heineken Cup final and a Magners League final for 3 month's effort at the expense of someone who put in most the graft over the season. Hopefully Toner will have learned from Thorn not to take any crap from Jamie Heaslip.

Would you go away out of that with the toughest fixture list in HC history! Ulster had a fairly difficult route this season with Clermont, Leicester & Munster (their bit of luck was getting Aironi). Munster had a fairly difficult route in the '08 final - all away games in the KOs and Clermont (Coached by Vern Cotter and Joe Schmidt) in the group stages.

How do you know thorn was talking about Heaslip?

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Fri 25 May 2012, 9:26 am

Just getting back to a bit of RUGBY.

Just taking Kidney's squad plus Henry, POC, McAllister and Boss (presumptious but whatever) if we had 3 mid week games while in New Zealand who would be the other players you would bring? What teams would you want to face? Who would play for and who would captain the midweek side?

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 10:46 am

double post

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 10:48 am

leinsterbaby wrote:

How do you know thorn was talking about Heaslip?

It was either him or Sean O'Brien. ('Irish loosie' who is meant to be pushing Thorn in the scrum).

I'm going for Heaslip (as most other people who have read it)!

Rumour on Munsterfans that Sean O'Brien is having a knee op next week so won't be travelling. There are also question marks over Cian Healy travelling.

by **rodders** Fri 25 May 2012, 10:58 am

Who cares if Heaslip was mouthing off and Thorn told him to shut it?

Heaslip is in the senior players group at Leinster I'd imagine and you don't sign someone like Thorn and expect him to be a shrinking violet and keep his opinions to himself. These things go on in every training session. Sounds good to me.

This is a nothing story and judging by the banter between the two after the HEC final there is plenty of mutual respect there between the two.

by Mickado Fri 25 May 2012, 10:59 am

What relevance has that article from Justin Marshall got to Irelands summer tour?

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 11:06 am

Mickado wrote:What relevance has that article from Justin Marshall got to Irelands summer tour?

How disappointing it must be for Devon Toner whose chances of making the tour were killed by Thorn being selected ahead of him for the final (with Toner having to put in most the graft over the season).

This is what I posted.

My point about Toner is that Thorn would realise that he is a lucky boy to "drop in" and get to play a Heineken Cup final and a Magners League final for 3 month's effort at the expense of someone who put in most the graft over the season. Hopefully Toner will have learned from Thorn not to take any crap from Jamie Heaslip.

by Mickado Fri 25 May 2012, 11:13 am

And what has Justin Marshalls comments got to do with Thorn reducing Toners chances of selection?

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 11:53 am

Mickado wrote:And what has Justin Marshalls comments got to do with Thorn reducing Toners chances of selection?

Justification for bringing Thorn to Leinster - invaluable to Ireland that one of Heislip's team mates actually told him to get the finger out. Maybe POC will follow the example for Ireland.

by **rodders** Fri 25 May 2012, 11:57 am

Sin é wrote:
How disappointing it must be for Devon Toner whose chances of making the tour were killed by Thorn being selected ahead of him for the final (with Toner having to put in most the graft over the season).

This is what I posted.

My point about Toner is that Thorn would realise that he is a lucky boy to "drop in" and get to play a Heineken Cup final and a Magners League final for 3 month's effort at the expense of someone who put in most the graft over the season. Hopefully Toner will have learned from Thorn not to take any crap from Jamie Heaslip.

I don't see how Thorn getting selected ahead of Toner and Toner missing the tour has anything to do with Thorn telling Heaslip to shut up in training.

It isn't relevent to anything you are just twisting a nothing comment by Thorn to have a pop at Heaslip.

In reality it's Cullen who was selected ahead of Toner as they both bind on the loosehead side and Thorn was brought in directly to replace Hines and add grunt to the tighthead side of the scrum.

by Mickado Fri 25 May 2012, 11:58 am

What?

A former player, located in NZ writes a story which he heard second (maybe third?) hand about how in one training session Brad Thorn told Heaslip to shut up and push.

And what has that got to do with Ireland? Is POC really going to tell Heaslip to pull the finger out if he’s injured?

Maybe POC would be better served telling his loosehead at Munster to stop collapsing the scrums? That would probably be of more benefit as Heaslip is doing just fine.

by red_stag Fri 25 May 2012, 11:59 am

Grrr I hate Leinster

by geoff998rugby Fri 25 May 2012, 12:05 pm

rodders wrote:
Sin é wrote:
How disappointing it must be for Devon Toner whose chances of making the tour were killed by Thorn being selected ahead of him for the final (with Toner having to put in most the graft over the season).

This is what I posted.

My point about Toner is that Thorn would realise that he is a lucky boy to "drop in" and get to play a Heineken Cup final and a Magners League final for 3 month's effort at the expense of someone who put in most the graft over the season. Hopefully Toner will have learned from Thorn not to take any crap from Jamie Heaslip.

I don't see how Thorn getting selected ahead of Toner and Toner missing the tour has anything to do with Thorn telling Heaslip to shut up in training.

It isn't relevent to anything you are just twisting a nothing comment by Thorn to have a pop at Heaslip.

In reality it's Cullen who was selected ahead of Toner as they both bind on the loosehead side and Thorn was brought in directly to replace Hines and add grunt to the tighthead side of the scrum.

Rodders stop being rational it confuses some people Whistle

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 12:09 pm

Mickado wrote:What?

A former player, located in NZ writes a story which he heard second (maybe third?) hand about how in one training session Brad Thorn told Heaslip to shut up and push.

And what has that got to do with Ireland? Is POC really going to tell Heaslip to pull the finger out if he’s injured?

Maybe POC would be better served telling his loosehead at Munster to stop collapsing the scrums? That would probably be of more benefit as Heaslip is doing just fine.

What has Munster's loosehead got to do with Ireland - he is a saffer ? (see what I did there Wink

)

(PS - as if Munster haven't got enough injuries, it seems that Paul O'Connell is going to NZ, even if he can barely walk!)

*PS - it should be noted that Thorn reckoned that Heislip wasn't pulling his weight. Wink

by Mickado Fri 25 May 2012, 12:13 pm

Didn't Marcus Horan get a contract extention at Munster recently?

You'd have to keep him around for his ability to injure people who are better than him if nothing else.

by sean.c Fri 25 May 2012, 12:17 pm

On a different note (but one alluded to earlier) I think we really need to start looking at a new captain. Not one of the old reliables in BOD, POC or Best, but one of the younger guys. The aforementioned are at the ends of their careers and injury prone, and I feel we should replace them as soon as possible.
The three main candidates in my opinion would be:

-Heaslip
-Kearney
-Sexton

Overlooking provincial bias these are the three names mentioned again and again. I would also have O'Mahoney there as an outside bet as a lot is said of him, though he should nail down a starting spot first.

by Mickado Fri 25 May 2012, 12:21 pm

O’Mahoney didn’t show very good captaincy skills against the Ospreys you’d have to say. Maybe POC should have a word.

by sean.c Fri 25 May 2012, 12:26 pm

I don't know about him, I don't get to see too many Munster games, he just seems to be mentioned a lot in newspapers and whatnot and I didn't want to looked too Leinster biased Irish Summer Tour Squad - Page 13 3933776953

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by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 12:27 pm

Mickado wrote:Didn't Marcus Horan get a contract extention at Munster recently?

You'd have to keep him around for his ability to injure people who are better than him if nothing else.

Wian du Preez is Munster's first choice prop. Marcus Horan has been a good servant to both Munster and Ireland rugby. I don't think he should have had a go at BOD like he did, but then I'm not sure why BOD was on the pitch for a nothing game when that fragile.

by sean.c Fri 25 May 2012, 12:30 pm

Sin é wrote:
Mickado wrote:Didn't Marcus Horan get a contract extention at Munster recently?

You'd have to keep him around for his ability to injure people who are better than him if nothing else.

Wian du Preez is Munster's first choice prop. Marcus Horan has been a good servant to both Munster and Ireland rugby. I don't think he should have had a go at BOD like he did, but then I'm not sure why BOD was on the pitch for a nothing game when that fragile.

It wasn't a nothing game, it was the Magners league Grand Final and Leinster were going for the double.

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 12:32 pm

Mickado wrote:O’Mahoney didn’t show very good captaincy skills against the Ospreys you’d have to say. Maybe POC should have a word.

O'Mahony is 22/23 and will learn. Way too young. (I think it was a mistake making BOD captain at his age).

Heislip was 27/28 when he had a go at McCaw. And when the chips were down Ireland were distinctly lacking in leadership against England which had all of those possible candidates listed on the pitch.

by sean.c Fri 25 May 2012, 12:34 pm

Sin é wrote:
Mickado wrote:O’Mahoney didn’t show very good captaincy skills against the Ospreys you’d have to say. Maybe POC should have a word.

O'Mahony is 22/23 and will learn. Way too young. (I think it was a mistake making BOD captain at his age).

Heislip was 27/28 when he had a go at McCaw. And when the chips were down Ireland were distinctly lacking in leadership against England which had all of those possible candidates listed on the pitch.

Who do you propose as next captain then sin?

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 12:34 pm

sean.c wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Mickado wrote:Didn't Marcus Horan get a contract extention at Munster recently?

You'd have to keep him around for his ability to injure people who are better than him if nothing else.

Wian du Preez is Munster's first choice prop. Marcus Horan has been a good servant to both Munster and Ireland rugby. I don't think he should have had a go at BOD like he did, but then I'm not sure why BOD was on the pitch for a nothing game when that fragile.

It wasn't a nothing game, it was the Magners league Grand Final and Leinster were going for the double.

You'd think they would have stayed off the jar if that was the case. (Partying apparently was the reason that Leinster lost that game!).

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 12:36 pm

sean.c wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Mickado wrote:O’Mahoney didn’t show very good captaincy skills against the Ospreys you’d have to say. Maybe POC should have a word.

O'Mahony is 22/23 and will learn. Way too young. (I think it was a mistake making BOD captain at his age).

Heislip was 27/28 when he had a go at McCaw. And when the chips were down Ireland were distinctly lacking in leadership against England which had all of those possible candidates listed on the pitch.

Who do you propose as next captain then sin?

The cubbard is fairly bare in the forwards anyway. Maybe Kearney. Or maybe Peter O'Mahony will be ready in 2/3 years time when BOD/POC call it a day.

by Mickado Fri 25 May 2012, 12:38 pm

AH but we had just won the HC, remember when Munster used to do that?

But nice diversion from the original message (Marcus Horan deliberately injuring Irelands captain just before a world cup).

by sean.c Fri 25 May 2012, 12:42 pm

I'd say the captaincy would do wonders for Heaslips form in a green shirt. He's undefeated in 8 as Leinster captain and always seems to up his game for them.

by **rodders** Fri 25 May 2012, 12:42 pm

sean.c wrote:The three main candidates in my opinion would be:

-Heaslip
-Kearney
-Sexton

Overlooking provincial bias these are the three names mentioned again and again. I would also have O'Mahoney there as an outside bet as a lot is said of him, though he should nail down a starting spot first.

I'd scratch Heaslip of the list. Hes not much younger than Best anyways.

O'Brien would be another candidate. Apparantly hes in the Leinster senior players/Leaders panel.

I'd say Kearney is the front runner right now, although full back isn't a good spot for a captain.

by debaters1 Fri 25 May 2012, 12:47 pm

Regarding a new captain, the more he plays the less like a captain Heaslip appears. as for Kearney & Sexton, well, While Kearney is playing superb rugby, if you were to make him captain, the likes of Jones (injury prone as the poor guy is) will never get a chance in the side save against the likes of Canada etc.

So that leaves Sexton. He is playing excellent rugby, is the incumbant and has the leadership skills.

You mentioned POM as well, well at 22 year old who is named as Munster captain has to have something about him. Admittedly this was during the RWC of course, but he did everything right & you really sensed he played better for it. POM has the talent & leadership skills to captain province & country for years.

by Mickado Fri 25 May 2012, 12:47 pm

Wouldn't give it to POM, he won't make the team once Dom Ryan get's more game time.

Sexton would be a good captain I'd say.

by dublin_dave Fri 25 May 2012, 12:49 pm

i do not think poc is a good captain. great player but not a good captain.

sexton or kearney for me when drico steps down. heaslip,rory best would also be in the frame. Leave Ferris and SOB to do what he does best.

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 12:52 pm

rodders wrote:
sean.c wrote:The three main candidates in my opinion would be:

-Heaslip
-Kearney
-Sexton

Overlooking provincial bias these are the three names mentioned again and again. I would also have O'Mahoney there as an outside bet as a lot is said of him, though he should nail down a starting spot first.

I'd scratch Heaslip of the list. Hes not much younger than Best anyways.

O'Brien would be another candidate. Apparantly hes in the Leinster senior players/Leaders panel.

I'd say Kearney is the front runner right now, although full back isn't a good spot for a captain.

Schmidt seems to like Cullen on the pitch for some reason (sending him off for an op for the 6Ns so he'd be ready for the rest of the season - or was that just an excuse to bring Thorn in Wink

)

by **rodders** Fri 25 May 2012, 12:55 pm

You need a panel of leaders to step up to the plate, not just one captain.

Right now in the backs you have Sexton and Kearney and in the pack POC, Best and Ferris have really fronted up this year.

BOD is back and in cracking form for now but beyond that one of the above should emerge to take over after he hands up the boots.

Personally I'd go with Kearney as captain, Sexton as vice-captain and Best as pack leader. I see those 3 leading us into the next RWC.

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 1:07 pm

Madigan won't be a happy bunny if Sexton is made captain (which he won't). Murray has a better chance because at least he is close to what is going on at the breakdown. Didn't some ref get peed off with Gavin Duffy because it took ages for him to get to talk to him.

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 1:09 pm

rodders wrote:You need a panel of leaders to step up to the plate, not just one captain.

Right now in the backs you have Sexton and Kearney and in the pack POC, Best and Ferris have really fronted up this year.

BOD is back and in cracking form for now but beyond that one of the above should emerge to take over after he hands up the boots.

Personally I'd go with Kearney as captain, Sexton as vice-captain and Best as pack leader. I see those 3 leading us into the next RWC.

In fairness, all of their heads dropped against England (missing POC & BOD).

by eirebilly Fri 25 May 2012, 1:10 pm

You know rodders, i see POM as being a future Ireland captain myself.

Call me old fashioned but i have never been big on backs as captains.

by **rodders** Fri 25 May 2012, 1:12 pm

Sin é wrote:
In fairness, all of their heads dropped against England (missing POC & BOD).

Whats your point? BOD and POCs heads dropped when we were walloped in 2003 at Landsdowne so that would rule them out too.

by BoyneRFC Fri 25 May 2012, 1:18 pm

Sin é wrote:
Mickado wrote:Didn't Marcus Horan get a contract extention at Munster recently?

You'd have to keep him around for his ability to injure people who are better than him if nothing else.

Wian du Preez is Munster's first choice prop. Marcus Horan has been a good servant to both Munster and Ireland rugby. I don't think he should have had a go at BOD like he did, but then I'm not sure why BOD was on the pitch for a nothing game when that fragile.

BOD's fault. Got it.

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 1:20 pm

rodders wrote:
Sin é wrote:
In fairness, all of their heads dropped against England (missing POC & BOD).

Whats your point? BOD and POCs heads dropped when we were walloped in 2003 at Landsdowne so that would rule them out too.

Gary Longwell & Mal O'Kelly were the starting locks that day. POC was on the bench. BOD was a 22/23 year old (note I said I'm not in favour of very young captains).

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 1:22 pm

BoyneRFC wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Mickado wrote:Didn't Marcus Horan get a contract extention at Munster recently?

You'd have to keep him around for his ability to injure people who are better than him if nothing else.

Wian du Preez is Munster's first choice prop. Marcus Horan has been a good servant to both Munster and Ireland rugby. I don't think he should have had a go at BOD like he did, but then I'm not sure why BOD was on the pitch for a nothing game when that fragile.

BOD's fault. Got it.

Nope, coach/medical staff's fault.

by **rodders** Fri 25 May 2012, 1:24 pm

Sin é wrote:
rodders wrote:
Sin é wrote:
In fairness, all of their heads dropped against England (missing POC & BOD).

Whats your point? BOD and POCs heads dropped when we were walloped in 2003 at Landsdowne so that would rule them out too.

Gary Longwell & Mal O'Kelly were the starting locks that day. POC was on the bench. BOD was a 22/23 year old (note I said I'm not in favour of very young captains).

Of course it would be an Ulsterman and Leinstermans fault. Obviously.

You just said Murray should be captain, how old is he again? Rolling Eyes

by eirebilly Fri 25 May 2012, 1:26 pm

dublin_dave wrote:i do not think poc is a good captain. great player but not a good captain.

sexton or kearney for me when drico steps down. heaslip,rory best would also be in the frame. Leave Ferris and SOB to do what he does best.

Really? He is a natural leader and one hell of a motivator, what more can you ask in a captain?

As for Sexton being made captain, not so sure about that to be honest.

by Thomond Fri 25 May 2012, 1:27 pm

Lads is there video of what Horan did to BOD? What did he do? I don't remember anything but it soudns bad.

by Mickado Fri 25 May 2012, 1:33 pm

Thomond wrote:Lads is there video of what Horan did to BOD? What did he do? I don't remember anything but it soudns bad.

http://www.rugbydump.com/2011/06/1989/brian-odriscoll-back-from-the-dead-then-a-neat-flick-pass

Nasty stuff.

But it's the medical staff's fault that it happend. So don't blame Horan...

by asoreleftshoulder Fri 25 May 2012, 1:37 pm

Thomond wrote:Lads is there video of what Horan did to BOD? What did he do? I don't remember anything but it soudns bad.

It was an off the ball shoulder charge,it was a sly hit but in fairness BoDs shoulder was on the way out anyway if that hit didn't do it another one soon after would have.I think people are just responding to Sins tactic of picking one incident in a players career and branding him as a scumbag based on that incident alone.

by Sin é Fri 25 May 2012, 1:37 pm

rodders wrote:
Sin é wrote:
rodders wrote:
Sin é wrote:
In fairness, all of their heads dropped against England (missing POC & BOD).

Whats your point? BOD and POCs heads dropped when we were walloped in 2003 at Landsdowne so that would rule them out too.

Gary Longwell & Mal O'Kelly were the starting locks that day. POC was on the bench. BOD was a 22/23 year old (note I said I'm not in favour of very young captains).

Of course it would be an Ulsterman and Leinstermans fault. Obviously.

You just said Murray should be captain, how old is he again?

Yep, POC & BOD were just pubs at the time. Interesting actually, after that match POC & DOC destroyed the Leicester lineout of Johnson & Kay a few weeks later in the Heineken Cup for a big Munster win in Welford Road (one of my favourite Munster HC matches). ROG & Strings scored trys that day.

I think Murray is a better candidate than those backs mentioned because of the position he plays in and he will be old/experienced enough in 2/3 years time.

by asoreleftshoulder Fri 25 May 2012, 1:38 pm

Thomond wrote:Lads is there video of what Horan did to BOD? What did he do? I don't remember anything but it soudns bad.

It was an off the ball shoulder charge,it was a sly hit but in fairness BoDs shoulder was on the way out anyway if that hit didn't do it another one soon after would have.I think people are just responding to Sins tactic of picking one incident in a players career and branding him as a scumbag based on that incident alone.

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