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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 4:41 pm

I'm sick of talking about Youngs tbh.

C'mon England!!!!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 09 Jun 2012, 4:43 pm

Another very good turnover. Robshaw this time.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 4:43 pm

Great turnover Robshaw

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 4:46 pm

Hartley?!?!?! Thank god he missed

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 09 Jun 2012, 4:48 pm

First half promising.

Had the half finished after 30 mins I'd have taken off Youngs and Farrell but both have turned it round a little. Robshaw and Manu the standsouts.

Still unsure over Foden on the wing. I'd like him at 15 with Brown at 11

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 09 Jun 2012, 4:49 pm

Great defensive effort, breakdown v v good and line out is working well.

Sadly our only backs move involves Tuilagi hitting it up - he makes yards each time but Boks just put two on him -

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 4:51 pm

Promising at this stage but little in attack.

Tactic to box kick is baffling, should start Dickson if we want a box kicker.

Farrell improved last 10 when kept ball in hand, needs to pass in front of player more.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 4:54 pm

Reckon Meyer wishes he had Brussow on bench? Can't believe we're dominating there

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sat 09 Jun 2012, 4:59 pm

scrum.com has some strange metres made stats - Marler, Hartley, Cole, Botha, Parling, and Robshaw with 1 yard between all of them!?!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:02 pm

some of those are very hit an miss. They don't count turnovers if they result in a penalty.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:07 pm

vital slowing of the ball down by Cole.

Awful defence in the phase before the try though.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:08 pm

Gutted

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:11 pm

Boks power is too much

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:12 pm

Getting out muscled at the minute, need a plan B

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:18 pm

Plan B has been forced...

We need a second row that can carry - only seen one forward make some yards

Steyn has to be yellowed now - what a pr ick

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:20 pm

This is brutal

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:28 pm

We don't have the power to compete really - need some nasty players - always like Lawes as he just hits people so hard

Really can't stand the Boks

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Post by 'Arry Spurs Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:30 pm

All Farrell does is kick! Pass the ball

We need to get JJ on, we wont beat the Boks with power, need to out manoeuvre them

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:30 pm

Palmer added loads.

Did you hear that from Walsh!!!

To Robshaw:

"You're doing some wonderful fetching"

I have never heard anything like that before

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:33 pm

I do wonder if this side will ever be able to beat a SH side on a regular basis. Not enough chances made.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:33 pm

Youngs box kicking needs work.

JJ on for Tuilagi I reckon

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Post by 'Arry Spurs Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:36 pm

Not potent enough in attack, we can hold our own but in this game I feel we have offered very little going forward, until we can create chances and put them away we will not beat and SH sides regularly.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:37 pm

I'd take Farrell off myself. Not going to win this with Pens

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:38 pm

Dickson you are so slow!!!! We're behind ffs!!!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:40 pm

PDJ getting ruined by Coenie. Not needed.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:42 pm

With the game plan we have gone with Dickson should have started with Youngs to come on. Dickson should never be coming on into the game when your chasing.

JJ in for Farrell for me. Has done nothing apart from his goal kicking. Tuilagi is one of our only consistent gain line breakers.

Back 3 have been pretty good to be fair but are only getting the ball on kick returns!!!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:42 pm

never an international loosehead prop

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:43 pm

It was wheeled from TH side Steve, PDJ went forward.

Also Conie is playing LH and PDJ so they don't face each other.

PDJ went down there though. He's not great at LH

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:45 pm

Flood, Tuilagi and JJ for me as a midfield.

Barritt is great in defence but he doesn't do any carrying in the midfield. It's always Manu coming in from 13.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:46 pm

Flood has to start, Farrell has been poor in attack. We look instantly better with Flood 1st reciever

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:46 pm

Great pass Farrell

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:47 pm

Tuilagi not a 12

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:47 pm

Great finish Foden!!!!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:49 pm

I'd go with

9. Youngs
10. Flood
11. Brown
12. Tuilagi
13. JJ
14. Ashton
15. Foden

20. Care
21. Farrell
22. Barritt

SJE is right. although Dickson can be good off the bench (as he was v Italy in 6N) I don't think he offer more than Care or Youngs off the bench.

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:50 pm

Smashed. When you consider how inexperienced this team is its not that bad, will learn a lot - been tactically naive and offered nothing bar Tuilagi as go forward.

Would have Foden as 15 - so much better than Brown, got to find a place for JJ too, maybe wing for Brown?

Our forwards need some ball carriers - Parling had a good game.

Don't think Mears or PDJ's should be in England teams

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:50 pm

Tuilagi is definately a 12. He spent the whole game doing the carrying Barritt should have been doing as a 12.

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:53 pm

Dean Ryan is becoming my favourite pundit - speaks so much sense

Would play Haskell next week

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:54 pm

PDJ will get a rough doing over but he was playing out of position. He can cover LH at club level if pushed but internationally not up to it. Prefer him there to Wilson or Stevens though! 23 man squads will sort that out come the AIs anyway.



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Post by dammit_chris Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:54 pm

Think you could play Tuilagi at 12 if next to Flood, not Farrell - would like to see it just so he could smash Steyn a few times - possibly my most disliked player

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 5:56 pm

PDJ not a LH Chris, why he prob shouldn't on bench tbh.

Tuilagi I'd never play at 12 as he never passes and defensive structure all wrong. You can't just throw a midfield together and expect Manu who likes to rush up anyway lead a defensive line.

Team for next test:

1. Marler
2. Hartley
3. Cole
4. Palmer/Botha
5. Parling
6. Haskell (although TJ great)
7. Robshaw
8. Morgan

9. Youngs
10. Flood
11. Brown
12. Barritt (if fit)
13. JJ
14. Ashton
15. Foden

Bench of TJ, Tuilagi, Care, Farrell

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 6:01 pm

How good was Alberts today

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Post by Driver Sat 09 Jun 2012, 6:02 pm

All Tuilagi can do is carry and makes big dents when he does it , Barritt besides one up and under was great. Reckon he'll miss next Saturday though with a sealed eye.

To me it seems like we have no one who can beat some one on a six pence on the outside. That is why the likes of Joseph and Wade should be drafted in and used effectivley. Lets look at how The Crusaders beat Blue Bulls and go with something along them lines.

Next week i'd go

1.Marler
2.Hartley
3.Cole
4.Palmer
5.Parling
6.Johnson
7.Robshaw
8.Haskell

9.Youngs
10.Flood
11.Foden
12.Allen
13.Joseph
14.Ashton
15.Brown

16.Grey
17.Corbisero
18.Botha (Was cracking today)
19.Morgan
20.Care
21.Farrell
22.Tuilagi
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Post by dammit_chris Sat 09 Jun 2012, 6:02 pm

Can't drop Manu - was our only player who can get over the gainline!

Need to sort out our kicking game pronto - maybe more sp the chasing side.

Breakdown v good, our physicality isn't up there - Botha and Johnson not physical enough for me

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 09 Jun 2012, 6:03 pm

That cameo from Palmer today was probably the best he has played for club or country since before the world cup! Be harsh to put him ahead of Botha based on his first good 20 minutes in a season though! Especially when Botha was fairly solid


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Post by Driver Sat 09 Jun 2012, 6:04 pm

Botha was increadibly physical Chris

Won a massive turnover just from clearing a ruck out in the first half.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 6:06 pm

Both right really.

My problem with Manu is for all the good he brings he's a bit brainless. Was a pen machine today and just looks for contact....he never passes. Must be awful playing outside him as he just heads down and runs. Can be brutal in attack but we need heads up rugby.

Marler went well

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Jun 2012, 6:12 pm

Tuilagi for Ashton is an interesting call from Ryan

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 09 Jun 2012, 6:12 pm

Compare Botha to any of the Boks through 4-8 and he's like a butterfly - need more than being able to tackle in my mind at this level - he played well but if we have Parling (who was great today) I think you need Palmer.

Also as well as Johnson played we need Haskells bulk - would help Morgan, who looked a little lost today - all experience though

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Post by Driver Sat 09 Jun 2012, 6:13 pm

Wilko and Mac missing drop goals for fun.
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Post by Driver Sat 09 Jun 2012, 6:16 pm

William Servat clap

Fantastic career ended by a card , wonderful.
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