Ireland vs New Zealand, 3rd Test: Teams & Build Up

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Predict the score of the game. We all know how close the Irish came last week, can they deliver a result to stamp themselves into the history books. Could New Zealand kick it up a gear and get there hat trick. Discuss.

Bye bye kidney...

eirebilly wrote:Tough call but the correct call for the yellow. Ireland are being reemed by the worlds best.

Ah Billy i havent been on over the last week didnt realise you were back on. How are you man? Great to see you back. Wasnt the same without you

Well...only thing that can come out of this game is a restoration of a certain level of pride in closing that gapping gap!

Not sure it's doable, too many players underperforming against a side that is 'over'performing. A lot of pressure is due to the ABs being the ABs but a good bit of it is due to rushed nervy play from some players who have little excuse for pretending to be new to this professional rugby game.

Ireland aren't showing anything like the ability to impact at a physical level to upset the traction of the ABs. You have to be physically able to play two intense games one week after another - the Irish are proving that yet again, that's a big 'no' in their set-up. Preserving energy for the one or two 'big' games a year is just not nearly good enough at this level - either in New Zealand or indeed in Europe.

The ABs are just being typical of them - they have one close game last week, and come back this week with a point to prove. They're being very clinical and when they're like this, any team can find it hard. I just hope Ireland can still find it in them to get some scores second half.

You're right Rodders. It could be worse. We could........errrrr......come back to me in a minute

biltongbek wrote:

Swperb wrote:I find this rule a strange one. If he caught the ball having slapped it with one hand, is it still a penalty? He obviously did it to stop the try, but if he had caught it would it still have been a penalty? One of the quirks of the game for me.

Depends whether his palm faced up or down.

Surely if he catches it, there is no knock on and thus perfectly legal?

biltongbek wrote:

HERSH wrote: Oh well theres always next time!

Hersh you've been going around threads the whole morning with these whymsical posts, nothing worthwhile to add today?

Day to day or everyday?

You have to applaued the skill of the All Blacks some beautiful off loads,

Ireland just look so predictable this loop pass by Sexton which he does all the time even for Leinster is a waste of time, its almost something you see in under 12's rugby, you can see it coming a mile off.

The lack of bulk in the backs i telling aswell, no penetration

I'm genuinely gutted for Ireland that they appear unable once again to back up a supreme effort with another similar performance. If Irish tactics worked last week, why have they changed this week?

Notch wrote:Feel for Wallace who's been sold down the river by Kidney, still getting up to the pace of the game.

He has Notch. I feel for the midfield too. How Kidney expected Wallace to be up to speed and the midfield to function with so little preperation time I just don't know. SBW has had a field day after we kept him quiet in the first 2 tests.

I think this is the end of Paddy at this level and its a horrible way for such a great servant to go out.

Morgannwg wrote:I didn't think that was a yellow... Looks like another terrible result is on the menu, although I guess Ireland can't be held accountable for NZ being on a different level. Oh well, lets hope England get thrashed this afternoon, that should cheer everyone up.

Right, come on lads. Keep trying. I know it's hard....cool heads!

Thats exact it SecretFly, intensity can't be a tactic, it has to be the default mode. Its like the first game, men against boys when we said to ourselves, we will never get the their level. A week later we do. How is that? Inconsistancy is nearly bred into these players, by a coaching staff with a foot still in the amateur era.

McCaw is like a man possessed. Hes been immense.

Golden wrote:

eirebilly wrote:Tough call but the correct call for the yellow. Ireland are being reemed by the worlds best.

Ah Billy i havent been on over the last week didnt realise you were back on. How are you man? Great to see you back. Wasnt the same without you

Thanks mate, have missed you guys as well

biltongbek wrote:

Swperb wrote:I find this rule a strange one. If he caught the ball having slapped it with one hand, is it still a penalty? He obviously did it to stop the try, but if he had caught it would it still have been a penalty? One of the quirks of the game for me.

Depends whether his palm faced up or down.

Well to slap the ball in the air it had to be up!!

Made a hard job impossible for Ireland now, funny how he never saw any forward momentum in the passing?

welshy6 wrote:well from neutralish, all blacks are giving an attacking masterclass

The difference between them and us is they slice through butter with a hot knife, we tend to use a for the same purpose.

Of all the forward passes today, that's not the one I would've called.

Box kicks were so good last week. This week we're back to aimless kicking with no chase.

Aaaaaaaaagggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:

Surely if he catches it, there is no knock on and thus perfectly legal?

If that is the case, what is to stop someone from running foward with the ball and lobbing the ball over the tackler and catching the ball behind him? The tackler cant tackle the player as he does not have the ball, and the attacker has not knocked on?

if next score is NZ bedtime

Ireland make me sad. That is all.

That was a cricket catch not a try!

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

Swperb wrote:I find this rule a strange one. If he caught the ball having slapped it with one hand, is it still a penalty? He obviously did it to stop the try, but if he had caught it would it still have been a penalty? One of the quirks of the game for me.

Depends whether his palm faced up or down.

Surely if he catches it, there is no knock on and thus perfectly legal?

Yes if he caught it, it won't be illegal, but to catch a ball you smacked with your hand it needs to bounce up, and for that your palm faces up.

36 Nil sounds familiar

This may sound like sour grapes - but it hoinestly isn't meant to. NZ are in a different league to us in this game but...

McCaw is penalised for hands in the ruck within the 5m line - pen to Ireland.
Kearney is penalised for a deliberate knock-on 15m from the line - pen to NZ; YC to Kearney
?????

The funny thing is ROG still has to come on

Cian Healy has been the standout here for Ireland,I rate him as one of the top loose head props in world rugby

Great stuff from Healy but no one in support again.

Sexton doesn't look interested L4L. I wouldn't agree with it but still.

Kick the 3!!!!!!!

Please Hansen don't ring the changes. Keep Smith on especially. You don't have to put Weepu on every match.

any chance of the ref getting his card out

biltongbek wrote:

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

Swperb wrote:I find this rule a strange one. If he caught the ball having slapped it with one hand, is it still a penalty? He obviously did it to stop the try, but if he had caught it would it still have been a penalty? One of the quirks of the game for me.

Depends whether his palm faced up or down.

Surely if he catches it, there is no knock on and thus perfectly legal?

Yes if he caught it, it won't be illegal, but to catch a ball you smacked with your hand it needs to bounce up, and for that your palm faces up.

It did go up, knock on not deliberate slap down as polite told bod

O'Mahony looks totally out of his depth. I didn't even realise he was still on the pitch. Anonymous

God that is awful again!

When will Kidney bring on the cavalry? I hope he's not left it too late.

Hook, in fairness now, Healy is the only one who can come out of this game with any credit.

Cheap 5m, SBW waltzing over the gainline... last week he was getting smashed back.

Swperb wrote:

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:



Surely if he catches it, there is no knock on and thus perfectly legal?

If that is the case, what is to stop someone from running foward with the ball and lobbing the ball over the tackler and catching the ball beind him? The tackler cant tackle the player as he does not have the ball, and the attacker has not knocked on?

Because that is a standard forward pass, as opposed to an attempted interception to win back possession?

gear is rapid!!!

turning of cant bare to watch now

Oh good grief. Cricket score is looking likely...

Jesus Earls. Swotted away like a fly. Dreadful stuff. Maybe we can have the end of the reign of Kidney. That would brighten my day

Great stuff from Gear, poor Ireland tackling again. Earls bumped off.

What a tackle by Earls!

Swperb wrote:

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:



Surely if he catches it, there is no knock on and thus perfectly legal?

If that is the case, what is to stop someone from running foward with the ball and lobbing the ball over the tackler and catching the ball beind him? The tackler cant tackle the player as he does not have the ball, and the attacker has not knocked on?

Nothing, but get it wrong and expect your teammates to string you up by your bollox for trying to be a smart arse tw@

McFadden caught out too. Huge gulf in class there.

Yeah...bye bye Kidney.

Even if it isn't all him at this point, as some will say - the air needs to change now around this team. New thoughts on the problem to bring about an overall change in mood (a problem that is even gaping in Europe. I mean no excuses that this is ABs - this is Ireland, the familiar one that plays in Europe too)

Time for coaching change - at this stage it's a "Why not?" issue. Certainly nothing to lose now.