Liverpool FC Thread

[Crimey]

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Liverpool FC

Transfers in:

Fabio Borini (£11 million)
Joe Allen (£15 million)
Joe Cole (return from loan)
Oussama Assaidi (£2.4 million)
Nuri Sahin (on loan)
Samed Yesil (£1 million)

Transfers out:

Dirk Kuyt (£1 million)
Maxi Rodriguez (Free)
Fabio Aurelio (Free)
Alberto Aquilani (£7 million)
Craig Bellamy (Free)
Andy Carroll (loan)
Jay Spearing (loan)
Charlie Adam (£4 million)

[liverbnz]

I think long term he was best out of Liverpool for his health the interviews he gave at times were hard to watch but the biggest issue Liverppol have is too many overpaid average players

To be honest Marty Liverpool have reduced there wage bill and got rid of most of the mediocre players on high wages.

Its only really the likes of Aqua and Cole on £80k and £90k respectively, that are not worth there wage and are apprehensive about leaving because of this, hence why they have been loaned out.

Carragher, Gerrard and Maxi are on higher wages as well as Cole and Aquilani. Roughly about 25m a year in total for minimal return - for various reasons.

[Kenny]

With regards to Rodgers comments on Carroll

I'm in two minds about it , one says he was wrong and should be trying to reassure Carroll that he is part of his plans giving Carroll confidence . But then the other side says if Carroll isn't part of his plans then it shows strength by the manager to say even though Carroll cost 35m that doesn't meen he's gaurenteed to be in the team or even at the club .

I think it shows that Rodgers certainly will do things his way and that he is in charge .

Personally i would like Andy to stay i do think when he's playing with confidence he's a very good player .

[GSC]

Shelvey signs an extension

[Small Time]

I think long term he was best out of Liverpool for his health the interviews he gave at times were hard to watch but the biggest issue Liverppol have is too many overpaid average players

I will be interested to see who this 'exciting' signing is, I hope its no Borini cos I would not consider him to be exciting.

I hope will get some confirmation soon.

Also I would not be happy with Carroll being loaned to AC.

Borini has even less experience than Carroll in the Premier League, and hardly set the Serie A on fire either, so I wouldn't consider him to be a big signing. If we sign him and then let Carroll go I will actually be pretty unhappy. We need depth, we're in four competitions this year and I genuinely think that Carroll can be an asset to the side and do not think he'll struggle to fit into the system.

Although I want to support Rodgers, I think his comments in the media about Carroll weren't a good idea. He's heaped pressure back on Carroll's shoulders after he finally started looking like he was shedding it.

Rodgers should have told the media that he was happy with Carroll and wanted him in his plans, and maybe had a word in private with Carroll telling him that Carroll is not untouchable and will be dropped if he doesn't fit in. That way the media scrutiny is less but Carroll is fully aware that he has to perform and adapt.

You want Brendan to play the style of football Swansea have been playing for the last 3 years but you'd rather Carroll play upfront over Borini??????? Crimey, where are you getting this from?? I really can't see how you think a carthorse like Carroll is going to fit in......Swansea didn't play any long ball stuff last year or lump the ball in the box first chance they got so how are you expecting Carroll to be effective? Do you think he'll be playing off the last defenders shoulder? Or perhaps he'll come short and with his SUPERB first touch flick it round the corner for supporting players to run on to? Perhaps it’s his amazing work rate and bags of energy?

So, do you still want Brendan to play the same style as Swansea did under him last year, or do you want to cater to Andy Carrolls needs?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I think long term he was best out of Liverpool for his health the interviews he gave at times were hard to watch but the biggest issue Liverppol have is too many overpaid average players

I will be interested to see who this 'exciting' signing is, I hope its no Borini cos I would not consider him to be exciting.

I hope will get some confirmation soon.

Also I would not be happy with Carroll being loaned to AC.

Borini has even less experience than Carroll in the Premier League, and hardly set the Serie A on fire either, so I wouldn't consider him to be a big signing. If we sign him and then let Carroll go I will actually be pretty unhappy. We need depth, we're in four competitions this year and I genuinely think that Carroll can be an asset to the side and do not think he'll struggle to fit into the system.

Although I want to support Rodgers, I think his comments in the media about Carroll weren't a good idea. He's heaped pressure back on Carroll's shoulders after he finally started looking like he was shedding it.

Rodgers should have told the media that he was happy with Carroll and wanted him in his plans, and maybe had a word in private with Carroll telling him that Carroll is not untouchable and will be dropped if he doesn't fit in. That way the media scrutiny is less but Carroll is fully aware that he has to perform and adapt.

You want Brendan to play the style of football Swansea have been playing for the last 3 years but you'd rather Carroll play upfront over Borini??????? Crimey, where are you getting this from?? I really can't see how you think a carthorse like Carroll is going to fit in......Swansea didn't play any long ball stuff last year or lump the ball in the box first chance they got so how are you expecting Carroll to be effective? Do you think he'll be playing off the last defenders shoulder? Or perhaps he'll come short and with his SUPERB first touch flick it round the corner for supporting players to run on to? Perhaps it’s his amazing work rate and bags of energy?

So, do you still want Brendan to play the same style as Swansea did under him last year, or do you want to cater to Andy Carrolls needs?

Danny Graham played for Swansea, and he is hardly a tika taka player is he? Carroll will be fine if played

[Crimey]

You want Brendan to play the style of football Swansea have been playing for the last 3 years but you'd rather Carroll play upfront over Borini??????? Crimey, where are you getting this from?? I really can't see how you think a carthorse like Carroll is going to fit in......Swansea didn't play any long ball stuff last year or lump the ball in the box first chance they got so how are you expecting Carroll to be effective? Do you think he'll be playing off the last defenders shoulder? Or perhaps he'll come short and with his SUPERB first touch flick it round the corner for supporting players to run on to? Perhaps it’s his amazing work rate and bags of energy?

So, do you still want Brendan to play the same style as Swansea did under him last year, or do you want to cater to Andy Carrolls needs?

As I have said before, Carroll is not effective with lumping the ball up to him. In fact, there aren't many players who are. Carroll will fit into the system fine if Rodgers is prepared to put some confidence in him. I watched pretty much every Liverpool game last year and Carroll was most effective when we were playing the ball on the floor. He creates space for other players to work in, he offers something different, he scares defenders.

I don't think to play Rodgers' style you need to start buying lots of small, pacey players, there is room to accommodate a player like Carroll.

Danny Graham doesn't have a "SUPERB" first touch either, in fact I think his first touch is about on par with Carroll's.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Did anyone actually watch Andy Carroll vs Swansea in the last game of the season?

If you did then you might understand why Rodgers will let Carroll leave on loan. Rodgers witnessed that day that Carroll is not the type of player he wants his style of football to be associated with and is the reason he's contemplating this decision. Rodgers style is all about pass and move along the floor and allowing the technically gifted players the chance to unlock the opposition. Carroll doesn't fit into this mould and isn't even a prolific goalscorer, however having him as backup is essential as a plan B, so I'm surprised by this story. If Carroll is not in the first team by Christmas, I'm sure we are going to see Newcastle asking for a loan to replace the missing Ba & Cisse who will be at the ACON.

-----------Carroll---------
Bellamy----------------Suarez

-------Adam-----Gerrard
-------------Lucas

Enrique--Agger----Skrtel---Johnson

--------------Reina----------------

That's basically the same side that continually failed last season, so how is it a side capable of challenging for europe?

Well for a start that midfield three are all back from injury. Lucas Leiva's absence last year was a huge miss in my eyes. And Carroll would suit the system because it worked well with Danny Graham lol

[Guest]

With a strong creative midfield and decent players out wide, where's the harm in whipping the ball in from the wings to Carroll...much like Gerrard did at the Euros? Carroll feeds on that sort of stuff.

Anyway, even if they did lump the ball up to Carroll, Liverpool would be better served with a few more midfielders moving up to support Andy if/when he did knock the ball down. Henderson, Adam and others were well off the pace in that respect last season.

I'd keep Carroll and play him as much as possible in the EPL. If Borini does sign, stick him in the Europa league matches along with the likes of Adam, Coates, Flanagan, Shelvey, Stirling and, dare I say, Carragher. Until such time as the winners of the Europa League qualify for CL, it seems something of a dead end competition.

If LFC want to get rid of some dead wood, I'd have Adam at the top of my list. I'd also give Downing and Henderson til the end of the year to show some improvement and if not, I'd be looking to off-load.

Aquilani and Gerrard in midfield with Suarez upfront? That's plenty to get excited about

[Crimey]

Lucas and Gerrard were missing for much of the season. Suarez was out for 9+ games.

--------------Carroll----Suarez-------

Kuyt--------Adam-----Henderson---Downing

Enrique---Agger--------Skrtel-------Johnson

------------------Reina-----------------------------

That was the team most played last year. No reason to change the back 5. Then the forwards and midfield is completely different in personnel and tactics.

[Guest]

Lucas and Gerrard were missing for much of the season. Suarez was out for 9+ games.

--------------Carroll----Suarez-------

Kuyt--------Adam-----Henderson---Downing

Enrique---Agger--------Skrtel-------Johnson

------------------Reina-----------------------------

That was the team most played last year. No reason to change the back 5. Then the forwards and midfield is completely different in personnel and tactics.

I'd have (if possible)

----Suarez-------
-----Gerrard------
Cole-------------Aquilani-------Downing
----------Lucas------------
Enrique---Agger--------Skrtel-------Johnson
-----------------Reina-----------------------------

[Small Time]

I think long term he was best out of Liverpool for his health the interviews he gave at times were hard to watch but the biggest issue Liverppol have is too many overpaid average players

I will be interested to see who this 'exciting' signing is, I hope its no Borini cos I would not consider him to be exciting.

I hope will get some confirmation soon.

Also I would not be happy with Carroll being loaned to AC.

Borini has even less experience than Carroll in the Premier League, and hardly set the Serie A on fire either, so I wouldn't consider him to be a big signing. If we sign him and then let Carroll go I will actually be pretty unhappy. We need depth, we're in four competitions this year and I genuinely think that Carroll can be an asset to the side and do not think he'll struggle to fit into the system.

Although I want to support Rodgers, I think his comments in the media about Carroll weren't a good idea. He's heaped pressure back on Carroll's shoulders after he finally started looking like he was shedding it.

Rodgers should have told the media that he was happy with Carroll and wanted him in his plans, and maybe had a word in private with Carroll telling him that Carroll is not untouchable and will be dropped if he doesn't fit in. That way the media scrutiny is less but Carroll is fully aware that he has to perform and adapt.

You want Brendan to play the style of football Swansea have been playing for the last 3 years but you'd rather Carroll play upfront over Borini??????? Crimey, where are you getting this from?? I really can't see how you think a carthorse like Carroll is going to fit in......Swansea didn't play any long ball stuff last year or lump the ball in the box first chance they got so how are you expecting Carroll to be effective? Do you think he'll be playing off the last defenders shoulder? Or perhaps he'll come short and with his SUPERB first touch flick it round the corner for supporting players to run on to? Perhaps it’s his amazing work rate and bags of energy?

So, do you still want Brendan to play the same style as Swansea did under him last year, or do you want to cater to Andy Carrolls needs?

Danny Graham played for Swansea, and he is hardly a tika taka player is he? Carroll will be fine if played

Clueless!

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Go on explain why Small Time?? Back up your statement

[Small Time]

You want Brendan to play the style of football Swansea have been playing for the last 3 years but you'd rather Carroll play upfront over Borini??????? Crimey, where are you getting this from?? I really can't see how you think a carthorse like Carroll is going to fit in......Swansea didn't play any long ball stuff last year or lump the ball in the box first chance they got so how are you expecting Carroll to be effective? Do you think he'll be playing off the last defenders shoulder? Or perhaps he'll come short and with his SUPERB first touch flick it round the corner for supporting players to run on to? Perhaps it’s his amazing work rate and bags of energy?

So, do you still want Brendan to play the same style as Swansea did under him last year, or do you want to cater to Andy Carrolls needs?

As I have said before, Carroll is not effective with lumping the ball up to him. In fact, there aren't many players who are. Carroll will fit into the system fine if Rodgers is prepared to put some confidence in him. I watched pretty much every Liverpool game last year and Carroll was most effective when we were playing the ball on the floor. He creates space for other players to work in, he offers something different, he scares defenders.

I don't think to play Rodgers' style you need to start buying lots of small, pacey players, there is room to accommodate a player like Carroll.

Danny Graham doesn't have a "SUPERB" first touch either, in fact I think his first touch is about on par with Carroll's.

Danny Grahams first touch is decent enough.

I'm not saying Brendan has to have small pacey players to play the style he does (but it certainly helps) but I just don't see HOW you fit Carroll in. The only thing he does to any great effect is head the ball.

[GG]

I'll give you a clue to the difference between Graham and Carroll. Work rate.

[Soldier_Of_Fortune]

I'll give you a clue to the difference between Graham and Carroll. Work rate.

Thats not much of a clue

[GG]

Carroll stands by the opposition defence all game waiting for a long ball. Graham works back - doesn't stop running throughout the game and aims to stretch the opposition defence.

[Small Time]

Go on explain why Small Time?? Back up your statement

You've compared Danny Graham who's movement, energy and natural ability to get into goal scoring positions make him the type of striker needed to play the pass, pass, pass game. Carroll's movement is comical, his energy levels/pressing ability is that of a League 1 player and as for getting into goal scoring postions.......well, it's bordering on farcical. And I've got a strong suspision that Brendan agree's with me and it would have been addressed in his interview that Carroll wouldn't be in his plans.

[ncfc_Tooze]

Whats your guys hopes for the new season? would it be looking at the CL places or time of rebuilding?

[Crimey]

Top six finish I'd be happy with. I think it's unrealistic to demand Champions League football considering the rise of Tottenham and Manchester City in recent years.

Just better results than last year, less draws, more wins. I just want to see the good performances with good results.

Rodgers needs time.

[liverbnz]

Carroll stands by the opposition defence all game waiting for a long ball. Graham works back - doesn't stop running throughout the game and aims to stretch the opposition defence.

You clearly haven't watched Andy Carroll much then really, as you've just made that up probably based on some pre-conceived notion. You can question a lot of things about Andy Carroll, but workrate is not one of them - certainly in his last 6 months when he was back at full fitness.

[liverbnz]

Whats your guys hopes for the new season? would it be looking at the CL places or time of rebuilding?

Closer to the top 4 but wouldn't be dissappointed if we missed out. 5th/6th and a challenge for 4th would do me - or some tangible progress at least.

[Small Time]

Carroll stands by the opposition defence all game waiting for a long ball. Graham works back - doesn't stop running throughout the game and aims to stretch the opposition defence.

You clearly haven't watched Andy Carroll much then really, as you've just made that up probably based on some pre-conceived notion. You can question a lot of things about Andy Carroll, but workrate is not one of them - certainly in his last 6 months when he was back at full fitness.

No I'm sorry his work rate is extremely poor.....I get the feeling that it's pointless commenting in this thread as anyone who doesn't watch Liverpool through rose tinted glasses is accused of "not watching them much"......which of course is an easy defence.

[Crimey]

Carroll stands by the opposition defence all game waiting for a long ball. Graham works back - doesn't stop running throughout the game and aims to stretch the opposition defence.

You clearly haven't watched Andy Carroll much then really, as you've just made that up probably based on some pre-conceived notion. You can question a lot of things about Andy Carroll, but workrate is not one of them - certainly in his last 6 months when he was back at full fitness.

No I'm sorry his work rate is extremely poor.....I get the feeling that it's pointless commenting in this thread as anyone who doesn't watch Liverpool through rose tinted glasses is accused of "not watching them much"......which of course is an easy defence.

I don't agree at all. If anything Carroll can be criticised for running back to win the ball back himself too much, when you'd rather he got forward a bit more. Many times for both England and Liverpool, Carroll will win the ball back, pass and then run up to the box. Carroll has improved ten-fold in the past few months, he looks a lot fitter than he has ever done before and he has one of the most impressive work rates in the Liverpool squad, chasing every ball he can.

Surely, if Carroll was as poor as you're trying to argue, Liverpool fans would be the first to agree as in the end it is Liverpool who would be harmed by Carroll's deficiencies.

[liverbnz]

Carroll stands by the opposition defence all game waiting for a long ball. Graham works back - doesn't stop running throughout the game and aims to stretch the opposition defence.

You clearly haven't watched Andy Carroll much then really, as you've just made that up probably based on some pre-conceived notion. You can question a lot of things about Andy Carroll, but workrate is not one of them - certainly in his last 6 months when he was back at full fitness.

No I'm sorry his work rate is extremely poor.....I get the feeling that it's pointless commenting in this thread as anyone who doesn't watch Liverpool through rose tinted glasses is accused of "not watching them much"......which of course is an easy defence.

Nope, I just disagree with a throwaway comment such as 'he's just stands up front waiting on the long ball'. To me that is a clear indication of someone commenting on something they've haven't really witnessed themselves. Anyone who had actually watched Liverpool last season would know that Carroll effectively played the number 10 role (coming deep and looking for the ball), whilst Suarez was the 'number 9'(playing on the shoulder, running the channels). We can argue the merits of such a system, but the fact was it was the system used and hence refutes the original comment made.

To me, given his somewhat restrictive attributes, Carroll does indeed work hard. However, and just to disprove your 'rose-tinted' theroy of this thread, I tend to agree with your assessment of Andy Carroll (bar the workrate part of course)

[mystiroakey]

to start of with when has carrol ever been in a long ball team?

newcastle never were?

[Kenny]

Borini having medical and discussing terms

[Crimey]

Maxi Rodriguez has left. I think it was the right time to go, but I became a big fan of Maxi. I was excited when he first joined, mainly because I could remember the wonder goal he scored against Mexico in the World Cup 06. I was eventually disappointed when it turned out he clearly wasn't the player he was in 2006.

However, he really turned me in the last couple of years where despite not playing much, when he did play he always gave 100% and had that nack of scoring goals.

The only worry for me is that I think Suarez was good friends with Maxi, so let's hope his departure won't make Suarez feel less at home at Liverpool.

[Guest]

Maxi was a decent option off the bench and chipped in with his fair share of goals. Where has he gone Crimey?

[Crimey]

Maxi was a decent option off the bench and chipped in with his fair share of goals. Where has he gone Crimey?

Old Newell. The club where he started his career at back in Argentina.

[Crimey]

Borini has also signed, apparently for £11 million.

He's going to wear number 29.

[Guest]

This is a nice touch from Maxi:

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/maxi-an-open-letter-to-fans

[Guest]

Carroll back to Newcastle? Interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18850955

[Crimey]

Carroll back to Newcastle? Interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18850955

I think giving away a player with the quality of Carroll to a team who could very well be challenging for the same positions as us would be stupid.

[Guest]

Carroll back to Newcastle? Interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18850955

I think giving away a player with the quality of Carroll to a team who could very well be challenging for the same positions as us would be stupid.

Good point. Would he even get in their side anyway?

[Crimey]

Carroll back to Newcastle? Interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18850955

I think giving away a player with the quality of Carroll to a team who could very well be challenging for the same positions as us would be stupid.

Good point. Would he even get in their side anyway?

Probably not, even Ba was forced out wide when Cisse came in. Pardew was hardly manager for that long with Carroll anyway, so there isn't a relationship there.

It'd be a bad move for everybody I feel.

[Crimey]

The Carroll approach has been rejected.

[Guest]

I don't really understand Newcastle's move for Carroll as we play 4-3-3 with Cisse up top alongside Ba & Ben Arfa. Demba has been promised a more prominent role alongside Cisse this season in attempt to keep him so I really don't see where Carroll would fit in. We don't even play long ball tactics anymore since we bought in all these technically superior players and we also have no wingers of any quality. Barton produced the goods for Carroll back in the day but he's long gone. Also, it's looking unlikely we will lose Ba/Cisse to the ACON as they face Ivory Coast in a qualifier later this year.

He'd been better off going to West Ham with Allardyce's tactics but Liverpool are only considering selling him on a permanent basis so that will be a big issue. If I was Rodgers, I would definitely keep him as he's a real threat and a great plan b option. Selling to a possible top 4 rival is ridiculous.

[liverbnz]

I have to say I'm not so sure this Newcastle loan offer actually exists. As John says, it makes little sense for either team.

[Crimey]

I have to say I'm not so sure this Newcastle loan offer actually exists. As John says, it makes little sense for either team.

BBC rarely post just rumours though.

[liverbnz]

I have to say I'm not so sure this Newcastle loan offer actually exists. As John says, it makes little sense for either team.

BBC rarely post just rumours though.

I don't think it's a rumour either. I think it's been manufactored in order to drum up interest and also to get rid of the notion that he's up for loan.

That's just my thinking on it.

[liverbnz]

North East chronicle running with the story on Carroll now too. I'm more inclined to believe it when it's in a local.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I have to admit I think Rodgers is making a huge mistake in trying to offload Carroll. I believe he should at least give him a chance, because at least he offers a plan B. What if he sells Carroll, then his plan A fails?? He has nothing to change to

[liverbnz]

I suppose he reckons Andy Carroll isn't in Plan A, B, C or whatever. I don't really like the way BR has handled it, but I suppose you need to ruthless in this game.

[Guest]

We've gone down the policy of buying young, cheap foreign players over recent seasons and it's worked very well. I don't see why we would suddenly go and spend £17m on Carroll, who we sold, and he would possibly would not even be in the first XI.....does not make sense. Without doubt take him on loan with a view to a permanent deal if it's available but don't just jump at the chance of re-signing a player who offers a one-dimensional way of playing and would go against the attractive successful style and football we currently now play.

As a Newcastle fan I would be annoyed if we Ashley was stupid enough to re-sign Carroll for £17m, he's probably worth £10m at most. We have no wingers able to deliver the crosses he so badly needs, unlike when we had Barton in his previous spell. Further to this have Ba & Cisse who are superior, so Carroll would probably only sit on the bench and only be used in Europa League games or PL fixtures away from home at places such as Stoke where his physical attributes would be needed.

[Crimey]

I am so surprised that this deal seems to be getting off of the ground. It's bad for everybody.

Liverpool lose possibly £15m plus. They also lose a talented, young, English player. They lose a plan B. They're also giving away a player to a club that will be competing for the same places as them. It leaves them with a similar problem to last season, which is a lack of depth up front. His replacement is an unproven striker.

Newcastle could be spending £80,000 a week and a possible £20m resigning of a player who doesn't fit into the first team, and will either sit on the bench or alienate one of your successful strikers.

Carroll will not be able to rekindle the form he had at Newcastle first time around and will sit on the bench or struggle. Ruin his career there and struggle to get it back off of the ground. Not many players return to a club and be successful.

[liverbnz]

Crimey

The 35m is already lost to Liverpool. That needs to be forgotton about. A 'sunk' cost. Football Clubs (or any business) don't work on the notion that paying 35m for something and selling it for 20m a few years later is a 15m pound loss.

[Crimey]

Crimey

The 35m is already lost to Liverpool. That needs to be forgotton about. A 'sunk' cost. Football Clubs (or any business) don't work on the notion that paying 35m for something and selling it for 20m a few years later is a 15m pound loss.

Well they should do. I hate the fact that they're treating Carroll like a lost cause. It's so frustrating watching it, and if we let Carroll go to Newcastle, a team who finished higher than us last year, I will be bitterly disappointed.

[liverbnz]

Crimey

The 35m is already lost to Liverpool. That needs to be forgotton about. A 'sunk' cost. Football Clubs (or any business) don't work on the notion that paying 35m for something and selling it for 20m a few years later is a 15m pound loss.

Well they should do. I hate the fact that they're treating Carroll like a lost cause. It's so frustrating watching it, and if we let Carroll go to Newcastle, a team who finished higher than us last year, I will be bitterly disappointed.

I agree with you on that. I don't like the way this is being played out one bit and like you and John and see little sense in the deal.

However, In trying to explain the loss to Liverpool - Andy Carroll was bought for 35m in Jan 2011 for 5.5 years. His intital cost will be spread over the length of his use (his contract) and we've already had 1.5 years use of Andy Carroll therefore he's now worth 25.5m on Liverpool's books (35m/total contract length * remainder of contract). Liverpool's loss will be calculated on the current value.

[mystiroakey]

Liver that isnt actually the way assets are valued- it isnt a sunk cost

players are assets- they will remain the same as cost value or they could depreciate the value over a usefull lifetime like in the below example(as we know football is random and with contracts and stuff so it gets complicated so that is only one example of how the accounting will be dealt with)

buy player for 35 mill
contract 5 years(minus one or two years- because you cant sell a player out of contract)
estimated selling price after3 years= 20 mill

cost to the business 5 mill a year- that 5 mill would be deducted of profit each year, and at the same time the balance sheet will also be deducted by 5 mill each time!

If the accountants were prudent with a purchase of a 32 year old playe for 9m who signed under a 3 year contract (they realise they will never sell him on and he will retire), the cost to the business would be 3 mill a year- or they could even depreciate it 5 mill year 1, 3 mill year 2 and 1 mill year 3. Because they could assume that the player will become less effective later on in his contract

On the balance sheet--

Assets are allways valued at cost,selling price or selling price minus cost to sell- whichever is lower..

[liverbnz]

mystiroakey

Footballers are treated as intangible assets and have no residual value. They are valued at NBV which is their intial cost minus accumalated amortisation (amortised cost). The intial cost is mearly always spread equally over the term of the contract and there is no adjustment for players becoming less effective as they get older as this is completely subjective and accountants don't work on subjectivity.

Re the sale of Andy Carroll, the 35m is a sunk cost as it will not be considered. Liverpool will only take in account his amortised cost which currently stands at around 25.5m

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