Irelands plan for a future Coach

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I maybe miles away and I'm sure people will tell me so but here goes.

When Smit turned Leinster into a SH style team and it showed that Irish players could play as well as anyone at the running game the IRFU put a plan in place to prepare for the next world cup.

Step one
Give Kidney a two year deal so as to keep Ireland ticking over and getting results (nothing good and nothing bad) telling him to keep picking the usual people that could do the job.

Step two
They knew the coaching postions in Ulster and Munster were coming up so they found coaches like Smit who could get the younger players and some of the older players playing fast skilled rugby like Leinster. They gave them two years to get the players up to speed and due to Kidney picking older less skilled players the younger players would have more game time against better players.

Step three
When kidney is finished they bring in a new coach who has the players who are already playing fast skillful rugby and all of them playing a simillar style. This coach would then have an easier job to get the players ready for the world cup.

It is a bit tongue in cheek but it is also serious. By the end of Kidney's contract we will have three teams built on skill, speed and phyiscal in the breakdown. Stand up Mr Bradley who has also been sent away to show that he can play the same game even though he has scottish backs who are notorius for poor play.

Thoughts.

Sin é wrote:I don't think its a product of the Heineken Cup. Ulster filled Lansdowne Rd in '99 and Munster had 6,000 supporters down in Toulouse in 2000.

Leinster (south Dublin) were never really bothered about the Heineken Cup - their team was Ireland which suited the IRFU because they all went to Ireland games. The 06' semi final had a seismic affect on Leinster supporters - they felt humiliated by being outnumbered by Munster supporters in their home venue. After that they got organised and discovered that they got the same product they got with Ireland and for half the price. The IRFU's big competition is Leinster. They were never that dependent on either Ulster or Munster to sell Ireland tickets.

This is hurting the IRFU/rugby in Ireland because the IRFU were dependent on those south dublin rugby supporters to fill the coffers.

You actually believe all that?

How long have you been going to Leinster matches Guns?

Sin é wrote:I don't think its a product of the Heineken Cup. Ulster filled Lansdowne Rd in '99 and Munster had 6,000 supporters down in Toulouse in 2000.

Leinster (south Dublin) were never really bothered about the Heineken Cup - their team was Ireland which suited the IRFU because they all went to Ireland games. The 06' semi final had a seismic affect on Leinster supporters - they felt humiliated by being outnumbered by Munster supporters in their home venue. After that they got organised and discovered that they got the same product they got with Ireland and for half the price. The IRFU's big competition is Leinster. They were never that dependent on either Ulster or Munster to sell Ireland tickets.

This is hurting the IRFU/rugby in Ireland because the IRFU were dependent on those south dublin rugby supporters to fill the coffers.

Jayzuz SIN, that's the best yarn yet man. You and Franno should form a duo.

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Gibson wrote:

Sin é wrote:I don't think its a product of the Heineken Cup. Ulster filled Lansdowne Rd in '99 and Munster had 6,000 supporters down in Toulouse in 2000.

Leinster (south Dublin) were never really bothered about the Heineken Cup - their team was Ireland which suited the IRFU because they all went to Ireland games. The 06' semi final had a seismic affect on Leinster supporters - they felt humiliated by being outnumbered by Munster supporters in their home venue. After that they got organised and discovered that they got the same product they got with Ireland and for half the price. The IRFU's big competition is Leinster. They were never that dependent on either Ulster or Munster to sell Ireland tickets.

This is hurting the IRFU/rugby in Ireland because the IRFU were dependent on those south dublin rugby supporters to fill the coffers.

Jayzuz SIN, that's the best yarn yet man. You and Franno should form a duo.

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I'm glad you are here Gibbo - how long have you been going to Leinster games?
Did you go to both Ireland & Leinster games around 2002/2003?
Were you at the semi in 2006?

Sin é wrote:How long have you been going to Leinster matches Guns?

First Leinster match I went to was in the early to mid 90s. Why?

I remember being at a match around 96/97, Richard Governy was Leinster out half that day. He is Lucy Kennedy's husband.

GunsGerms wrote:

Sin é wrote:How long have you been going to Leinster matches Guns?

First Leinster match I went to was in the early to mid 90s. Why?

I remember being at a match around 96/97, Richard Governy was Leinster out half that day. He is Lucy Kennedy's husband.

I wanted to know if you were old enough to have been going to games in Donnnybrook (and know what the attendance was like) and whether you were at the semi in '06 to see how Munster fans filled the place to be so dismissive of the comments I made.

Yes I've been to Donnybrook many times. Thats one of the biggest myths about Leinster. The attendances were usually very good. Donnybrook is very small though and mostly standing. How many times have you been to Donnybrook?

GunsGerms wrote:Yes I've been to Donnybrook many times. Thats one of the biggest myths about Leinster. The attendances were usually very good. Donnybrook is very small though and mostly standing. How many times have you been to Donnybrook?

I used to go a lot in the early '00s (a mate shared a house with one of the Leinster squad). Full of young wans on their way to the Wesley disco showing lots of goose pimples and fake tan! There was usually a decent enough crowd (about 3/4 K). The Leinster supporters I know now support School first, then Leinster & then Ireland. Prior to 2006 it would have been Ireland first. And they don't go to Ireland games anymore.

Were you at the '06 semi-final?

I was at it with some Leinster friends (who supplied my ticket) and since then they can't even watch Munster on tv now when up to then they would have been shouting for Munster when competing in Europe.

I was not at the 06 semi. I missed my chance to get a ticket. I take your point that a high profile semi was a factor in cementing an already festering rivalry. However, in my opinion it was the spite, lies and fabricated nonsense that was printed in particular before and after that game that was the main catalyst for the animosity between rival fans. its all so contrived and artificial it makes provincial derbies fairly tiresome.

I watched that '06 final and it was disappointing but no more disappointing than losing to Leicester 05 and Perpignan 03 in previous home knock out games both of which I was at. I was probably most disapointed about the Perpignan match as we were favourites then and it's probably Leinsters biggest missed opportunity..

Re support. I go to my school matches every year a handful of Leinster matches but I rarely miss Ireland games because I will always consider International rugby to be much more important.

GunsGerms wrote:I was not at the 06 semi. I missed my chance to get a ticket. I take your point that a high profile semi was a factor in cementing an already festering rivalry. However, in my opinion it was the spite, lies and fabricated nonsense that was printed in particular before and after that game that was the main catalyst for the animosity between rival fans.

I watched that '06 final and it was disappointing but no more disappointing than losing to Leicester 05 and Perpignan 03 in previous home knock out games both of which I was at. I was probably most disapointed about the Perpignan match as we were favourites then and it's probably Leinsters biggest missed opportunity.

That Perpignan game was definitely the biggest disappointment.

In my own view, the province that the IRFU has most relied on over the years for support and attendance at Lansdowne Road has been Ulster. And no other province is even close. They had the most die-hard supporters for Ireland and would travel down for all games, even in the wooden spoon era, even though Ulster might only have 1 representative on the field at times. I've even heard it argued, but don't 100% believe it, that the IRFU in the dark ages made sure to have at least 1 Ulster player selected for home games for this reason.

Priority has to be Ireland. I've only gone to Leinster games on a regular basis in the last decade, but I go to every Ireland game that I can get a ticket for. In fact, I'd prefer if blow-in supporters that aren't really interested in Ireland do get distracted by any province as that means the tickets for Ireland games are more likely to go to real fans of Ireland!

thebandwagonsociety wrote:In my own view, the province that the IRFU has most relied on over the years for support and attendance at Lansdowne Road has been Ulster. And no other province is even close. They had the most die-hard supporters for Ireland and would travel down for all games, even in the wooden spoon era, even though Ulster might only have 1 representative on the field at times. I've even heard it argued, but don't 100% believe it, that the IRFU in the dark ages made sure to have at least 1 Ulster player selected for home games for this reason.

Priority has to be Ireland. I've only gone to Leinster games on a regular basis in the last decade, but I go to every Ireland game that I can get a ticket for. In fact, I'd prefer if blow-in supporters that aren't really interested in Ireland do get distracted by any province as that means the tickets for Ireland games are more likely to go to real fans of Ireland!

Agree with this wholeheartedly.

Guns, I was at the celtic league semi the year before between Leinster & Munster in Lansdowne and there was hardly anyone at it and it didn't bother any of the Leinster supporters I was with that Leinster lost (and to be fair, they all looked as if they were saving themselves for the Lions).

Leinster were the favourites going into the semi - there was an awful lot of hype that week and I though Munster were going to be beaten and I thought it would be full of Leinster support - but I was shocked at the number of Munster fans that were there and its fair to say that some Munster fans lost the run of themselves and rubbed what few Leinster supporters noses that were there in it.

thebandwagonsociety wrote:In my own view, the province that the IRFU has most relied on over the years for support and attendance at Lansdowne Road has been Ulster. And no other province is even close. They had the most die-hard supporters for Ireland and would travel down for all games, even in the wooden spoon era, even though Ulster might only have 1 representative on the field at times. I've even heard it argued, but don't 100% believe it, that the IRFU in the dark ages made sure to have at least 1 Ulster player selected for home games for this reason.

Priority has to be Ireland. I've only gone to Leinster games on a regular basis in the last decade, but I go to every Ireland game that I can get a ticket for. In fact, I'd prefer if blow-in supporters that aren't really interested in Ireland do get distracted by any province as that means the tickets for Ireland games are more likely to go to real fans of Ireland!

Bandwagon - Ulster have always supported well (even in the wooden spoon era - though they would had a lot of players on the pitch then ), but I still don't think they would hold a candle to what South Dublin provided (and one of the main reasons why the stadium remained in South Dublin). The biggest ticket allocations always went to clubs like Blackrock, Wanderers, Belvo & Lansdowne. The IRFU would also be relying on a lot of corporate entertainment coming from where most the business in the country are based.

They can now get 2 matches in the Aviva in Nov./Dec instead of the AI at half the price.

Not sure what your point re the celtic league semi is?

As far as I remember Munster were favorites but Leinster were on a high having beaten Toulouse away.

Re attendance. I have no idea why there were Munster fans outnumbered Leinster fans that day but here are my thoughts:

Munster were more sucessful at the time having already reached the final a few times and with success brings sunshine supporters. A proportion of the Munster fans that day were probably from Leinster. Many of whom now probably support Leinster most of whom dont know much about rugby. Munsters attendance figures have dropped marginally in recent years as their sucess has dropped.

That game was a sell out and there were more Munster fans there but Id say you could have fit in another 10k Leinster fans at least that wanted to go but couldnt get a ticket.

Not sure what the relevance to the rivalry the attendance figures were anyway.

Guns, you made the point that there was a festering rivalry prior to the '06 semi - there wasn't much of a rivalry at the celtic league semi final at the end of the season before.

Leinster were favourites - I was dreading going to the match because I thought we were in for a hiding. I don't think Munster have lost any support that would not be accounted for by the increase in size of Thomond Park and the recession/very high unemployment blackspot around Limerick.

Munster & Leinster would have had equal ticket allocations (i've put a link below to the match on youtube which shows how lopsided the support was).

The relevance in the attendance is that it shocked & embarrassed Leinster into developing their support (and now they have been so successful at doing that, its affecting the national team).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO6ojMFIdDs

Sin é wrote:Guns, you made the point that there was a festering rivalry prior to the '06 semi - there wasn't much of a rivalry at the celtic league semi final at the end of the season before.

Leinster were favourites - I was dreading going to the match because I thought we were in for a hiding. I don't think Munster have lost any support that would not be accounted for by the increase in size of Thomond Park and the recession/very high unemployment blackspot around Limerick.

Munster & Leinster would have had equal ticket allocations (i've put a link below to the match on youtube which shows how lopsided the support was).

The relevance in the attendance is that it shocked & embarrassed Leinster into developing their support (and now they have been so successful at doing that, its affecting the national team).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO6ojMFIdDs

The festering I refer to was the hype in the build up to the semi.

Yes Leinster had as big an allocation however this is more likely because there is a large population Munster fans living in Dublin who managed to snap up a proportion of Leinsters allocation.

"The relevance in the attendance is that it shocked & embarrassed Leinster into developing their support (and now they have been so successful at doing that, its affecting the national team)."

Comments like this are so typical of the nonsense you see in some articles. The fact that some people believe it never fails to amaze me. No one can definitively say how many supporters from each camp were there as there are no records.

In '06 Leinster v Leicester the semi final loss had an attendance of 48,500. This was a sell out. At least 40k Leinster fans

In '04 Leinster v Perpignan had an attendance 42,000. Almost a sell. Again around 40k Leinster fans.

These figures alone show that Leinster had enough support to fill their allocation at Croke park but most of them couldnt get a ticket.

I would also suggest that there may have been larger numbers of Munster fans because beating Leinster at the time seemed to mean more the Munster fans than vice versa. Munster fans may have been willing to pay more for a ticket. It would appear to have always been a part of the Munster psyche to need to get one over Leinster whereas I and most Leinster fans werent that bothered losing to a better team as Munster were as you have already alluded to in your Celtic league semi story. Indeed I went to Cardiff to support Munster that year.

However, I feel that it was all the contrived nonsense in the press about Leinster fans etc. before and after that match and the next time the met in the Hcup that galvanised the pathetic bad blood between the two supporter groups.

GunsGerms wrote:

Sin é wrote:Guns, you made the point that there was a festering rivalry prior to the '06 semi - there wasn't much of a rivalry at the celtic league semi final at the end of the season before.

Leinster were favourites - I was dreading going to the match because I thought we were in for a hiding. I don't think Munster have lost any support that would not be accounted for by the increase in size of Thomond Park and the recession/very high unemployment blackspot around Limerick.

Munster & Leinster would have had equal ticket allocations (i've put a link below to the match on youtube which shows how lopsided the support was).

The relevance in the attendance is that it shocked & embarrassed Leinster into developing their support (and now they have been so successful at doing that, its affecting the national team).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO6ojMFIdDs

1. The festering I refer to was the hype in the build up to the semi.

2. Yes Leinster had as big an allocation however this is more likely because there is a large population Munster fans living in Dublin who managed to snap up a proportion of Leinsters allocation.

"The relevance in the attendance is that it shocked & embarrassed Leinster into developing their support (and now they have been so successful at doing that, its affecting the national team)."

3. Comments like this are so typical of the nonsense you see in some articles. The fact that some people believe it never fails to amaze me. No one can definitively say how many supporters from each camp were there as there are no records.

4. In '06 Leinster v Leicester the semi final loss had an attendance of 48,500. This was a sell out. At least 40k Leinster fans

In '04 Leinster v Perpignan had an attendance 42,000. Almost a sell. Again around 40k Leinster fans.

These figures alone show that Leinster had enough support to fill their allocation at Croke park but most of them couldnt get a ticket.

1. The build-up was a week or so. Leinster were the favourites (after the win in Toulouse). With your reasoning and bandwagon fans who only turn up when winning, there should have been no Munster fans there.

2 & 3. I think you will find that a large number of those 40K fans at Leinster HCup games were like me, from Munster living in Dublin. I know loads of people from Munster who would have been regulars in Donnybrook for Leinster matches. In fact, the group of 7 people I went with to the semi-final and who would all have been regulars in Donnybrook, 3 of them were Leinster born supporters on that day - the rest were Munster born.

All you have to do is look at the youtube link to know where the supporters came from.

Leinster started using the RDS the following season for some of their bigger games. The Leinster Munster game was around Christmas and they had a massive crowd turned up for that.

(As an aside, I just watched some of that match on youtube and boy was BOD electric then. His game has really changed).

Is this about getting us all to drop the Provincial jerseys when International comes around?

....well................................. we'll get there one day.

Sin é wrote:

Gibson wrote:

Sin é wrote:I don't think its a product of the Heineken Cup. Ulster filled Lansdowne Rd in '99 and Munster had 6,000 supporters down in Toulouse in 2000.

Leinster (south Dublin) were never really bothered about the Heineken Cup - their team was Ireland which suited the IRFU because they all went to Ireland games. The 06' semi final had a seismic affect on Leinster supporters - they felt humiliated by being outnumbered by Munster supporters in their home venue. After that they got organised and discovered that they got the same product they got with Ireland and for half the price. The IRFU's big competition is Leinster. They were never that dependent on either Ulster or Munster to sell Ireland tickets.

This is hurting the IRFU/rugby in Ireland because the IRFU were dependent on those south dublin rugby supporters to fill the coffers.

Jayzuz SIN, that's the best yarn yet man. You and Franno should form a duo.

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I'm glad you are here Gibbo - how long have you been going to Leinster games?
Did you go to both Ireland & Leinster games around 2002/2003?
Were you at the semi in 2006?

I´m glad you asked me that SIN. My 1st interest in rugby started back in the early 70´s. Watching Ireland in the 5-N. Hence the name Gibson. My Da was a huge fan and brought me to games.

Leinster? I watched Munster long before that shower. Saw Munster 1st in the early 80´s. Dooradoyle I think? I worked & lived in Limerick in 81-83 , for my sins.

1st time I saw Leinster live? It was in 1995. V Munster at Donnybrook. Att: 500 approx. That was a big crowd. 1st time I saw Leinster in the Heino was in 2001, in Donnybrook, v Toulouse. Ive had the pain of ye boggers takin de pish for long enough , and I am now enjoying the gain. Having said that, I was very protective of Munster abroad. Loved their passion, self-belief and never-say-die attitude, against teams 10 times richer than them.

No, I wasn´t at the Munster v Leinster SF in 2006, couldn´t make it. I cried into me beer in a Dutch pub watching it - surrounded by gloating Munster fans. But I was out in Toulouse for that QF, when we set it alight.

The question you are leading up is: Do you put Ireland above your province Gibbo? I used to with a passion. Big time. But not with this gobshoite in charge. It kills me to watch us now. It saddens me greatly. So YES, my country is more important than my province. Just not as much fun to watch and support right now. I long for the day, when watching my country play, excites me again.

So basically what your saying is that the day before Munster played Biarritz in the quarters in 2005 a load of Munster fans went to watch Leinster play Leicester in the quarters which is the only reason it was a sell out. Is that it?
and the same for the Perpignan game the previous year in the semis?

thebandwagonsociety wrote:In my own view, the province that the IRFU has most relied on over the years for support and attendance at Lansdowne Road has been Ulster. And no other province is even close. They had the most die-hard supporters for Ireland and would travel down for all games, even in the wooden spoon era, even though Ulster might only have 1 representative on the field at times. I've even heard it argued, but don't 100% believe it, that the IRFU in the dark ages made sure to have at least 1 Ulster player selected for home games for this reason.

Priority has to be Ireland. I've only gone to Leinster games on a regular basis in the last decade, but I go to every Ireland game that I can get a ticket for. In fact, I'd prefer if blow-in supporters that aren't really interested in Ireland do get distracted by any province as that means the tickets for Ireland games are more likely to go to real fans of Ireland!

I believe it. They are superb Irish fans - by design and inner-passion.

This also explains why Paddy Bloody Wallace actually had an International career.

The traitor speaks..................... I'm setting up the guillotine as we speak. The Terror will be soon upon all you half baked sorts.

If you think of international matches as HC games we can fill NLR with ease.

Leinster 40k
Munster 20k
Ulster 15k
Connacht 5k
Total 80k

There is more then enough support to fill NLR.

I do think that games like Samoa, Fiji etc should be played in Thomond and Ravenhill as it would make a better atmostphere and also help to mend some of the break down in Provincial support for Ireland.

I know NZ play games around the country as does SA but I am not sure if it is to reach out to all the fans or just logistics.

If it is a case of playing games in NLR to get money to pay for it its easy to add an extra game into the AIs

Ireland played Canada a few years ago in Thomond but it was too confusing for Munster fans who thought Munster were playing Canada.

To be honest with the strenght of our Wolfhound team I don't see why they can't play a game or two against weaker teams say on the day before the full team

I'd like to see Leinster play a game or two in Kilkenny or Mullingar etc.

Or Drogheda..or Dundalk....

SecretFly wrote:Or Drogheda..or Dundalk....

Nah funk that.

Thought so............................... so it's Leinster south...em west and Leinster north then! The battlelines are drawn. A new tribal rivalry emerges.

Our two Kearney lads are now banned from playing for the south western fans... If they spot any in the crowd they should just walk from the field. Official.

SecretFly wrote:Thought so............................... so it's Leinster south...em west and Leinster north then! The battlelines are drawn. A new tribal rivalry emerges.

Our two Kearney lads are now banned from playing for the south western fans... If they spot any in the crowd they should just walk from the field. Official.

the Kearney lads learned their rugby in Kildare.

Isnt Dundalk part of Ulster anyway? ;-)

GunsGerms wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Thought so............................... so it's Leinster south...em west and Leinster north then! The battlelines are drawn. A new tribal rivalry emerges.

Our two Kearney lads are now banned from playing for the south western fans... If they spot any in the crowd they should just walk from the field. Official.

the Kearney lads learned their rugby in Kildare.

Isnt Dundalk part of Ulster anyway? ;-)

They learned how to be south-Dublin in Kildare.... as many do. "Now lads, it's pink jumpers tied thus around the neck...raybans thus over forehead."

Rob is fairly up his own hole. Dave is pretty cool though.

The naming rights that were sold to Aviva I understand was conditional on all home rugby internationals being played in the Aviva. It defines the number of guaranteed times that Aviva get significant airplay through rugby. Not sure it the soccer federation had to make a similar commitment. So I wouldn't expect to see internationals outside of lansdowne road until that contract gets renewed.
Wolfhounds/'a's aren't tied into that deal.

thebandwagonsociety wrote:The naming rights that were sold to Aviva I understand was conditional on all home rugby internationals being played in the Aviva. It defines the number of guaranteed times that Aviva get significant airplay through rugby. Not sure it the soccer federation had to make a similar commitment. So I wouldn't expect to see internationals outside of lansdowne road until that contract gets renewed.
Wolfhounds/'a's aren't tied into that deal.

Was it not the soccer chaps what did chase after the [Insurance Company! - they're not paying me to name them] naming rights in the first place? I thought it was and that they insisted on that bit because they knew they'd have difficulty paying their slice of the pie for the stadium otherwise. Maybe I'm wrong but I thought I read all that when it was fresh.

GunsGerms wrote:So basically what your saying is that the day before Munster played Biarritz in the quarters in 2005 a load of Munster fans went to watch Leinster play Leicester in the quarters which is the only reason it was a sell out. Is that it?
and the same for the Perpignan game the previous year in the semis?

I just checked the attendances for Leinster home games for the period 2000-2006 and the average was about 10K (with 3 exceptions - Leicester, Perpignam & Biarritz) for whatever reason. Anyway, my experience going to Leinster matches back then is that they were not particularly well attended. Crickey, 7,200 is the stated attendance against Biarritz in Lansdowne Rd in the Pool stages of the 03-04 season and 13K against Bath in the 05-06 season back in the RDS.

Gibson wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Gibson wrote:

Sin é wrote:I don't think its a product of the Heineken Cup. Ulster filled Lansdowne Rd in '99 and Munster had 6,000 supporters down in Toulouse in 2000.

Leinster (south Dublin) were never really bothered about the Heineken Cup - their team was Ireland which suited the IRFU because they all went to Ireland games. The 06' semi final had a seismic affect on Leinster supporters - they felt humiliated by being outnumbered by Munster supporters in their home venue. After that they got organised and discovered that they got the same product they got with Ireland and for half the price. The IRFU's big competition is Leinster. They were never that dependent on either Ulster or Munster to sell Ireland tickets.

This is hurting the IRFU/rugby in Ireland because the IRFU were dependent on those south dublin rugby supporters to fill the coffers.

Jayzuz SIN, that's the best yarn yet man. You and Franno should form a duo.

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I'm glad you are here Gibbo - how long have you been going to Leinster games?
Did you go to both Ireland & Leinster games around 2002/2003?
Were you at the semi in 2006?

The question you are leading up is: Do you put Ireland above your province Gibbo? I used to with a passion. Big time. But not with this gobshoite in charge. It kills me to watch us now. It saddens me greatly. So YES, my country is more important than my province. Just not as much fun to watch and support right now. I long for the day, when watching my country play, excites me again.

You claiming that you put Ireland before Leinster when Eddie O'Sullivan was in charge?

PS - Looks like I've been on the Leinster bandwagon longer than most of the Leinster regs here

Kidney should be fired immediately....


especially if he keeps picking BOD, Darcy, Sexton, Heaslip

GunsGerms wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Or Drogheda..or Dundalk....

Nah funk that.

Yeah, its best to give those 2 towns a miss.
Killkenny would be a blast. Kildare too. Meath, Westmeath, Louth, Wicklow, Wexford... anywhere for a day out in the countryside.

Also, it would give them something to live for, roysh. Everyone's a winner.

DOD wrote:Kidney should be fired immediately....


especially if he keeps picking BOD, Darcy, Sexton, Heaslip

+1 That means next game and he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOD wrote:Kidney should be fired immediately....


especially if he keeps picking BOD, Darcy, Sexton, Heaslip

You've just given up <insult removed>

SecretFly wrote:Thought so............................... so it's Leinster south...em west and Leinster north then! The battlelines are drawn. A new tribal rivalry emerges.

Our two Kearney lads are now banned from playing for the south western fans... If they spot any in the crowd they should just walk from the field. Official.

Still a <insult removed> I see.

Lol nice one