RaboP12 (Round 6): Leinster (30) vs Munster (21) k/o - 18:30 Sat, 6 October 2012 (Lansdowne Road)
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RaboP12 (Round 6): Leinster (30) vs Munster (21) k/o - 18:30 Sat, 6 October 2012 (Lansdowne Road)
First topic message reminder :
Leinster & Munster coming off away losses (Connacht & Ospreys respectively).
How much will Leinster rebound?
Is this the usual slow start, or a malaise within the squad?
Squad updates/Teams to follow
Leinster & Munster coming off away losses (Connacht & Ospreys respectively).
How much will Leinster rebound?
Is this the usual slow start, or a malaise within the squad?
Squad updates/Teams to follow
Leinster Squad Update: 1 Oct 14:30
Rob Kearney (back) and Gordon D’Arcy (rib) are major doubts for the province and they will continue to be assessed ahead of Friday’s lunchtime team announcement. South African second row Quinn Roux suffered a shoulder injury and he is expected to miss this weekend’s derby match.
Meanwhile, Shane Jennings is expected to shake off the ill effects of an ankle injury which he sustained on the hour mark in Connacht, though it is likely to curtail his on-field involvement in training this week. It is hoped that club captain Leo Cullen (arm) will also return to the panel either this week or next, while Isaac Boss (arm) is getting closer to a return to action.
The province are expected to be boosted by the return of the likes of Jamie Heaslip, Kevin McLaughlin, Brian O’Driscoll, Eoin Reddan, Jonathan Sexton and Richardt Strauss to the panel this week.
There are two significant imminent landmarks for the province with Cian Healy, who turns 25 on Sunday, in line to make his 100th provincial appearance, while Naas number eight Heaslip’s next appearance will be his 150th.
Munster Squad Update: 1 October
Good news from the Munster camp is that the injuries picked up in the game on Saturday at the Liberty Stadium are not causing great concern.
Conor Murray required stitches to a cut above his eye but shortly after he returned it was thought to be in his best interests to replace him with Peter Stringer.
Stringer finished the game but suffered a calf injury and his progress will be monitored though the expectation is that both will be fit for consideration. The same applies to Marcus Horan who sustained a facial cut playing for Shannon.
Paul O'Connell (back), Johne Murphy (knee) and Luke O'Dea (ankle) are all expected to take a full part in training this week while Ian Nagle (shoulder) did likewise last week but will be given a week or so before being made available for selection and Cathal Sheridan (hand) and Ivan Dineen (groin) are also looking at a return in the same timeframe.
Mickado wrote:LEINSTER:
15: Ian Madigan
14: Andrew Conway
13: Brian O'Driscoll
12: Fergus McFadden
11: Isa Nacewa
10: Jonathan Sexton
9: Eoin Reddan
1: Heinke van der Merwe
2: Richardt Strauss
3: Mike Ross
4: Damian Browne
5: Devin Toner
6: Kevin McLaughlin
7: Shane Jennings
8: Jamie Heaslip CAPTAIN
REPLACEMENTS:
16: Sean Cronin
17: Jack McGrath
18: Jamie Hagan
19: Tom Denton
20: Jordi Murphy
21: John Cooney
22: Noel Reid
23: Fionn Carr
red_stag wrote:01: Dave Kilcoyne
02: Mike Sherry
03: BJ Botha
04: Donncha O'Callaghan
05: Donnacha Ryan
06: Dave O'Callaghan
07: Sean Dougall
08: Peter O'Mahony
09: Conor Murray
10: Ronan O'Gara
11: Simon Zebo
12: Casey Laulala
13: Keith Earls
14: Doug Howlett
15: Denis Hurley
16: Damien Varley
17: Wian du Preez
18: Stephen Archer
19: Billy Holland
20: Paddy Butler
21: Duncan Williams
22: Ian Keatley
23: James Downey
Post match report (Indo)
Having saddled themselves with the unwanted tag of league leaders in tries conceded, Leinster for a while looked like they might make serious headway in the other direction at Lansdowne Road last night. In the end they managed one more than they conceded, 3-2, and were happy enough to win, never mind miss out on the bonus.
The bad news is that their list of injured has grown even longer. Four players had to leave early from what was an entertaining contest for the huge crowd of 46,280 who fetched up on a perfect night for rugby. Kevin McLaughlin, Isa Nacewa, Brian O'Driscoll and Andrew Conway all took knocks. Conway's exit was via a stretcher, with a stinger, while McLaughlin will need a scan on a hyper-extended elbow, Nacewa is in trouble with a haematoma, and O'Driscoll sprained his ankle.
It remains to be seen who is fit for the opening defence of their Heineken Cup title, against Exeter in the RDS on Saturday, but as far as last night was concerned they were stuck with a back three of replacement scrumhalf John Cooney, outhalf Ian Madigan (in fairness he was selected at fullback) and Fionn Carr, who surely would have started if he hadn't missed a bad tackle in the five-try defeat in Galway last weekend.
Smelling the weakness in their opponents, Munster -- who came through the game in much better shape physically -- chased the home team down like men possessed. On 53 minutes they looked like they would be beaten out the gate when an outstanding try from O'Driscoll, converted from the touchline by the excellent Jonny Sexton, put Leinster 30-14 ahead.
Going down the final straight, however, it was a mad scramble. Conor Murray spread a bit of panic in the home crowd when, from a couple of metres out, he took advantage of empty corridor to dot the ball down. Replacement Ian Keatley nailed the conversion with a great kick, and Munster were on the charge. A couple of minutes later they looked on the verge of making it a one-point game.
Keith Earls was held up inches short, and when the ball squirted up referee Leighton Hodges said it was forward and Leinster escaped. Earls made another great burst heading into overtime, but by then the chances of two scores were non-existent.
When the game wasn't stopped for injuries it moved along at a cracking pace, helped by the service of man of the match Eoin Reddan -- his contribution to O'Driscoll's try was first class -- and, in the subtext of showing form for Ireland, Richardt Strauss made a compelling case. He looked like the player who took Leinster by storm when he arrived here three years ago. He did well to finger-tip-score the opening try, after just four minutes, but way better again in keeping the ball alive for the second, for Madigan.
"Yeah I thought he was really good," Joe Schmidt said. "There was one pinball effort where he took a ball behind him and was hit by two guys -- [Casey] Laulala was one of them, who tends not to leave a lot behind when he hits -- and ricocheted away in the lead-up to scoring [Madigan's try]. I thought he was very good."
It remains to be seen if Declan Kidney thinks the same. The Ireland coach will have been pleased with the form of Earls, and Simon Zebo, but it was hard for Munster to get a secure platform given the damage Mike Ross was doing to their scrum. Dave Kilcoyne, his opposite number, is a willing and aggressive ball carrier, but as you would expect he spent more time learning than lecturing in the tight. The ref did him for two penalties in a row -- one hit and one miss for Sexton -- and you felt for him.
Early on Munster looked like they had plenty to offer, with Peter O'Mahony responding within a couple of minutes of Strauss's try. By half-time Leinster had slipped out to 20-14. Ronan O'Gara kept Munster in touch with three penalties but then hit the post with a handy one early in the new half.
Straight from there, Leinster got motoring and hit their opponents with 10 points in four minutes -- first Sexton goaled from the touchline, and then O'Driscoll finished brilliantly after Fergus McFadden laid the groundwork through the middle, riding O'Gara's tackle, before great hands from Reddan kept it all going.
Rob Penney will be delighted with the way his team stuck to the task, but they badly need to get all their big players fit if their game is going to work. Schmidt, while wondering why so much trauma has landed at his door, will be glad that his team can generate this sort of momentum with so many players missing.
Scorers -- Leinster: R Strauss, I Madigan, B O'Driscoll try each; J Sexton 3 pens, 3 cons; Munster: P O'Mahony, C Murray try each; R O'Gara 3 pens; I Keatley con.
Leinster: I Madigan; A Conway (J Cooney 65), B O'Driscoll (N Reid 64), F McFadden, I Nacewa (F Carr 55); J Sexton, E Reddan; H van der Merwe, R Strauss (S Cronin 57), M Ross (J Hagan 65), D Browne (T Denton 73), D Toner, K McLaughlin (J Murphy 12), J Heaslip (capt), S Jennings.
Munster: D Hurley; D Howlett (capt), K Earls, C Laulala, S Zebo (J Downey 65); R O'Gara (I Keatley 60),C Murray; D Kilcoyne (W du Preez 57), M Sherry (D Varley 51 yc 54-64), BJ Botha, Donncha O'Callaghan (B Holland 49), D Ryan, Dave O'Callaghan (P Butler 70), P O'Mahony, S Dougall.
Referee: L Hodges (Wales)
Last edited by thebandwagonsociety on Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:12 am; edited 4 times in total (Reason for editing : squad updates, leinster team, munster team (thanks to mickado and red stag), scores and post match report)
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Re: RaboP12 (Round 6): Leinster (30) vs Munster (21) k/o - 18:30 Sat, 6 October 2012 (Lansdowne Road)
rodders wrote:Of course the IRFU are going to insist ROG plays, they are paying his (and Penney's) wages. Its the same with all the central contract players. It was the same last year with D'arcy v McFadden at Leinster.
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No it wasn't. D'Arcy didn't have a central contract last year. Thanks for proving my point - Paddy Wallace was the one with the central contract and D'Arcy the one with the provincial one and D'Arcy was selected ahead of him.
It should also be pointed out that Luke had the central contract last year and McFadden went to the world cup.
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Re: RaboP12 (Round 6): Leinster (30) vs Munster (21) k/o - 18:30 Sat, 6 October 2012 (Lansdowne Road)
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He was explaining that ROG could do with quicker ball (you may have noticed that Leinster fans blame Murray & O'Leary for all of Sexton's woes).
We had no idea how good Sexton was because he was playing AIL and not getting much of a chance with Leinster. Sexton started the last game in Lansdowne in 2006 (The Last Stand) against Ulster and we hardly saw him again until the Heineken Cup Semi.
Why do you have to drag Sexton into the argument, it has nothing to do with it. And people blaming Murray for Sexton's woes, which are completely overstated by you, are wrong.
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Re: RaboP12 (Round 6): Leinster (30) vs Munster (21) k/o - 18:30 Sat, 6 October 2012 (Lansdowne Road)
No problem sin, always glad to help you prove your point...actually what is your point?....
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Re: RaboP12 (Round 6): Leinster (30) vs Munster (21) k/o - 18:30 Sat, 6 October 2012 (Lansdowne Road)
valjester wrote:Sin é wrote:
He was explaining that ROG could do with quicker ball (you may have noticed that Leinster fans blame Murray & O'Leary for all of Sexton's woes).
We had no idea how good Sexton was because he was playing AIL and not getting much of a chance with Leinster. Sexton started the last game in Lansdowne in 2006 (The Last Stand) against Ulster and we hardly saw him again until the Heineken Cup Semi.
Why do you have to drag Sexton into the argument, it has nothing to do with it. And people blaming Murray for Sexton's woes, which are completely overstated by you, are wrong.
I brought Sexton into the argument because he is an outhalf (plays the same position as Keatley & O'Gara) who had to make a break through at provincial level which is what Keatley is trying to do at the moment.
I'm not blaming Murray for anything. Just presenting other people's arguements.
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rodders wrote:No problem sin, always glad to help you prove your point...actually what is your point?....
That D'Arcy's contract situation had nothing to do with why he was selected - disproving your conspiracy theory that the IRFU picks the provincial teams based on who is centrally contracted in Heineken Cup games.
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Re: RaboP12 (Round 6): Leinster (30) vs Munster (21) k/o - 18:30 Sat, 6 October 2012 (Lansdowne Road)
Murray is dreadful. Captain slow. He would be my forth or fifth choice behind
Reddan
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Boss
Stringer
Reddan
Marshall
Boss
Stringer
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Re: RaboP12 (Round 6): Leinster (30) vs Munster (21) k/o - 18:30 Sat, 6 October 2012 (Lansdowne Road)
I think Murrays been playing ok this season actually Guns.
Sin believe what you like old bean but there are a few Irish players, namely ROG, getting selected for Province and country and it for sure isn't based on what is happening on the field, so one can only presume it is based on something that is happening off it.
Sin believe what you like old bean but there are a few Irish players, namely ROG, getting selected for Province and country and it for sure isn't based on what is happening on the field, so one can only presume it is based on something that is happening off it.
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I dont. he probably has the slowest pass in the Rabo.
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rodders wrote:I think Murrays been playing ok this season actually Guns.
Sin believe what you like old bean but there are a few Irish players, namely ROG, getting selected for Province and country and it for sure isn't based on what is happening on the field, so one can only presume it is based on something that is happening off it.
Rods, not everyone sees what you see (particularly the experts). You think Keith Earls is rubbish, yet Joe Schmidt (the best coach on the planet ) says he is a big fan.
He also said prior to the game on Saturday:
I really like the way they are using (Casey) Laulala and (Keith) Earls to both threaten and link and offer opportunities to guys wider out. - Joe Schmidt
Hardly surprising if you can't see that, you will resort to some unnecessary conspiracy theories.
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I don't think there's an IRFU conspiracy to pick ROG, i just think that ROG holds too much sway with Penney.
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Re: RaboP12 (Round 6): Leinster (30) vs Munster (21) k/o - 18:30 Sat, 6 October 2012 (Lansdowne Road)
Anyone else fancy picketing Thomond with some "ROG OUT" signs.
Theres plenty of farmers in Munster - they're well used to protesting.
Theres plenty of farmers in Munster - they're well used to protesting.
Re: RaboP12 (Round 6): Leinster (30) vs Munster (21) k/o - 18:30 Sat, 6 October 2012 (Lansdowne Road)
Mickado wrote:I don't think there's an IRFU conspiracy to pick ROG, i just think that ROG holds too much sway with Penney.
You are about the only one who thinks that way!
Rob Penney on the ERC website:
"Success needs to be measured on more than just the scoreboard and we have an exciting young group of athletes coming through the ranks. The main job has been trying to put old heads onto those young shoulders in the early part of the season.
"The statistics show that the teams that succeed in the Heineken Cup have done so on the back of experience. That's why it has been great having someone of Ronan O'Gara's experience working around the fringes of the squad and behind the scenes during his international rest period.
"He is such a great influence on everyone at the club. He has been really positive and has worked so hard to be in a position to contribute on his return.
"Ian Keatley has benefitted from working alongside him and he is growing in stature all the time. We will really need the youngsters to step up to the mark in the Heineken Cup."
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He says it's great having someone like ROG working around the fringes of the squad and behind the scenes and then he picks him as starting outhalf against Leinster in Lansdowne...
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Re: RaboP12 (Round 6): Leinster (30) vs Munster (21) k/o - 18:30 Sat, 6 October 2012 (Lansdowne Road)
O'Gara needs to be match fit for the HC. He has had a delayed return. Keatley has had 6 starts this season already, so he is matchfit.
Keatley has come a long way this season - but - if he turned down an opportunity to get a losing bonus pt away to Racing Metro like he did against Leinster, he might never survive the criticism.
I expect Keatley to start his first HC game against Edinburgh at home in Thomond Park.
Keatley has come a long way this season - but - if he turned down an opportunity to get a losing bonus pt away to Racing Metro like he did against Leinster, he might never survive the criticism.
I expect Keatley to start his first HC game against Edinburgh at home in Thomond Park.
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Sin é wrote:O'Gara needs to be match fit for the HC. He has had a delayed return. Keatley has had 6 starts this season already, so he is matchfit.
Keatley has come a long way this season - but - if he turned down an opportunity to get a losing bonus pt away to Racing Metro like he did against Leinster, he might never survive the criticism.
I expect Keatley to start his first HC game against Edinburgh at home in Thomond Park.
Surely it is the captains decision whether to go for posts or not. I don't remember Keatley refusing to kick at goal during the game.
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Mickado wrote:He says it's great having someone like ROG working around the fringes of the squad and behind the scenes and then he picks him as starting outhalf against Leinster in Lansdowne...
That's a bit harsh Mickado. I read that as Penney giving a nod to ROG's good work ethic, that while he was on international rest, he still was out with the team in practices and training, going through the drills and coaching/teaching the younger guys on the finer parts of the game.
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Re: RaboP12 (Round 6): Leinster (30) vs Munster (21) k/o - 18:30 Sat, 6 October 2012 (Lansdowne Road)
Keatley is a better OH now and should be first choice for HCup games. ROG is a smart guy and should be given some kind of role within the coaching/management setup as well as back up to Keatley. That would be the sensible approach anyway.
OGara is still a good player. I felt sorry for him a little in the Leinster match as Murray gave him tortoise slow ball as always however, Keatley is still better and should be given the nod.
OGara is still a good player. I felt sorry for him a little in the Leinster match as Murray gave him tortoise slow ball as always however, Keatley is still better and should be given the nod.
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thebandwagonsociety wrote:Sin é wrote:O'Gara needs to be match fit for the HC. He has had a delayed return. Keatley has had 6 starts this season already, so he is matchfit.
Keatley has come a long way this season - but - if he turned down an opportunity to get a losing bonus pt away to Racing Metro like he did against Leinster, he might never survive the criticism.
I expect Keatley to start his first HC game against Edinburgh at home in Thomond Park.
Surely it is the captains decision whether to go for posts or not. I don't remember Keatley refusing to kick at goal during the game.
Even if it was Howlett's decision, ROG would have discussed it with him before taking the 3pts.
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Re: RaboP12 (Round 6): Leinster (30) vs Munster (21) k/o - 18:30 Sat, 6 October 2012 (Lansdowne Road)
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Rods, not everyone sees what you see
Why thank you sir .......
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