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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu 11 Oct 2012, 4:38 pm

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Second win of the season for Saracens and defeats for Welsh, Wasps and Worcester mean there is just 3 points between the bottom four.

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2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
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3 Homepage - Page 2 9Northampton Saints850 3 213 189 +24 24 19 2 3 25
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5 Homepage - Page 2 7Harlequins850 3 198 189 +9 21 20 1 3 24
6 Homepage - Page 2 12Sale Sharks8 4 0 4 199 189 +10 21 19 1 4 21
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8 Homepage - Page 2 1Bath Rugby840 4 185 193 -17 17 21 0 3 19
9 Homepage - Page 2 50London Welsh8 2 0 6 179 188 -9 18 18 0 6 14
10 Homepage - Page 2 6London Wasps820 6 172 195 -23 16 21 0 5 13
11 Homepage - Page 2 57Worcester Warriors820 6 175 208 -33 15 22 0 3 11
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Waiting List
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2. Bathite

Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by dammit_chris Fri 12 Oct 2012, 6:07 pm

He started 9 games and got 4 tries last year.

Personally think he's a good player, has always had a lot of positive mentions by commentators and former professionals. Serious gas as well.

Like the look of the new Saints fullback too, Wilson, reckon he could move to no10 to sort out their problems there.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 12 Oct 2012, 6:09 pm

Played 14 and got 5....sub appearances count too Chris Wink

Need hands to go with gas which he lacks imo. Can think of 10 better FB's in prem but no probs

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Post by Driver Fri 12 Oct 2012, 6:13 pm

1.Brown
2.Foden
3.Goode
4.Abendonan
5.Southwell
6.Murphey
7.Homer
8.Morgan
9.Miller
10.Arscott
11.Goppereth - That's right i went there ;-)
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Post by Driver Fri 12 Oct 2012, 6:14 pm

Martyn Thomas and Rob Cook as well are pretty decent
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 12 Oct 2012, 6:17 pm

I'd throw a few more in above Morris tbh

McLeod, lad at Quins, Wyles, May, Sharples......etc

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Post by Driver Fri 12 Oct 2012, 6:20 pm

That's 18.

Classens at Wuss.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 12 Oct 2012, 6:21 pm

Ap fullbacks like this for me

1. Foden

some distance

2. Brown
3. Goode
4. Miller
5. Abendanon
6. Southwell
7. Wyles
8. Pennell
9. Morgan
10. May

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 12 Oct 2012, 6:23 pm

Not seen any of Morris. But I'm sure Leicester have signed him for a reason.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 12 Oct 2012, 6:40 pm

Morris got potential I think, I've liked the look of him each time I've seen him play for Tigers - definitely a fb and not a winger though.

A lot of the games he played in last year were when Tigers didnt have their internationals around and were playing quite poorly - they move him about a bit too much at the moment, but would have him at 15, with Hamilton on the wing.

Amazed no one has picked up Southwell for their squad - he's so important for Wasps and would have him in front of Goode, Abendanon but behind Foden and Brown. Really like him.

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 12 Oct 2012, 7:23 pm

Realised I haven't marked in here cider
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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 12 Oct 2012, 7:54 pm

Who do we reckon is the best finisher in the world??

I have been thinking it's between Ioane, Clerc and Ngwenya.

Came across this about Ngwenya https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZXpeb5pfY8

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 12 Oct 2012, 7:58 pm

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 12 Oct 2012, 7:59 pm

up there but the 3 I've gone for are my top choices.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 12 Oct 2012, 8:35 pm

Top 3 finishers and Ngwenga shouldn't be used in the same sentance

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 12 Oct 2012, 8:51 pm

You winding me up?? You need to watch him I think. As a finisher he is up there with the very best you'll see.

Payne having a stormer for Ulster Pooly.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 12 Oct 2012, 8:57 pm

I think I watch more T14 than AP Steve, seen him plenty.

Payne having great season, as are Ulster generally. Look a real force this year.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 12 Oct 2012, 8:59 pm

Then I can't figure how you don't rate Ngwenya as a finisher. Understand why people can have mixed views on him as a winger in general but finishing is sublime

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 12 Oct 2012, 9:01 pm

Didn't say I don't rate him as a finisher, just not anywhere near top 3. You need to playing top Int to be even considered up that high imo.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 12 Oct 2012, 9:04 pm

I don't think Ioane is a great finisher either, fantastic winger but not a great finisher.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 12 Oct 2012, 9:08 pm

Ulster looking really strong, not often you see Castres scrum walked back

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 12 Oct 2012, 9:10 pm

Ioane when given the opportunity is a great finisher, but at present the opportunities out wide are not there for him as Australia are having to use him coming off the wing and punching holes in midfield as they are generally lightweight in that department.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 12 Oct 2012, 9:16 pm

I don't think it's Ioane's game, never has been. As you said he's used for his direct running and low centre of gravity. I think Ioane is quality but he's not a top 3 finisher.

Shane Williams was a supreme finisher, Clerc similar to a point.

There's a difference between a top finisher and top winger, not many wingers are both. Ngwenga is neither for me, not top draw anyway.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 12 Oct 2012, 9:22 pm

Never a yellow!!

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Post by Guest Fri 12 Oct 2012, 9:37 pm

Clerc best finisher.makes it look easy. Ioane not a finisher as not
Enough finesse. Look at his error count it's huge. He is explosive and scores great tries and complements Aussie backs. Drew mitchell is a finisher

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 12 Oct 2012, 9:44 pm

In AP I'd have Ashton as top finisher, with Wade and Sharples up there too.

Outside of wingers I'd say BOD is the best finisher that I've seen - see his finish last week against Munster? Amazing/

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 12 Oct 2012, 9:46 pm

I don't think Sharples is a finisher, good winger though. May is more of a finisher than Sharples for me.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 12 Oct 2012, 9:51 pm

Fantastic!!!

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Post by Guest Fri 12 Oct 2012, 10:10 pm

Sharples is a real finisher. More than May for me. Rory underwood was a top finisher and best of all campese. Agree with Chris re Ashton as best finisher in SA.

Guildford a top finisher as are millions of AB's Jane and gear included.

Clark of glos an exceptional finisher at every level he plays. His strike rate for glos already remarkable. Not sure whether he will ever make
It but can score from anywhere. Footwork is what makes a good
Finisher.

Caucau was another poacher

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 12 Oct 2012, 10:30 pm

Look at May's tries in SA game, 2 total contrasts of top finishing. Think he really finishes well

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 12 Oct 2012, 10:32 pm

Brady is a good finisher at Sale. Addison also.

Rokocoko and Heymans the best finishers I've watched live along with Clerc.

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Post by Guest Fri 12 Oct 2012, 10:48 pm

I am mays biggest fan think he has it all. Also think ngwenya on front foot is devestating. Massively strong which surprises people

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 12 Oct 2012, 10:51 pm

Christian Cullen was the best finisher I ever saw live - think he was possibly the best player I've seen on a rugby pitch.

Though as much as I hate to admit it I didnt mind watching Campese play - also didnt mind when he got caught be a forward!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 12 Oct 2012, 11:04 pm

Huget back playing well for you talking of wingers Steve, wonder if he'll get back in int set up

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Post by Guest Fri 12 Oct 2012, 11:04 pm

Campese losing the series for Aussies vs lions is best memory. Ieuan Evans catches him napping at the back. Great series lions won 2-1 and mike Teague man of series.

Could not have been better !

Blanco best back I ever saw live by quite a distance. Saw Cullen, lomu etc.

Michael jones best player I have ever seen live or on tv.

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Post by Guest Sat 13 Oct 2012, 12:04 am

Clermont have some squad. 2 in each position of quality. Lapandry injured Vosloo comes in.

Skrela and Brock James at 10. Hines cudmore and Pierre second row.


Must be favourites of French sides. Leinster again to win for me

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 13 Oct 2012, 8:39 am

FOund this video of O'Driscolls tries in the 6Nations - definitely one of the best finishers around. One of the best players I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=sMagbt6VJs0&feature=endscreen

Think Blanco was more a complete fullback than Cullen, but never seen anyone as good as Cullen in attack and with the NZ team he was in at the time he didnt really have to do much defending!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 13 Oct 2012, 9:19 am

Drew Mitchell back in Aus squad, thought he was long term injured?!?!

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Post by stnick88 Sat 13 Oct 2012, 11:08 am

Bowe, habana and clerc best finishers for me, Ashton up there too

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Post by Driver Sat 13 Oct 2012, 11:22 am

Id have Jane up there tbh, blokes hand off is out of this world
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 13 Oct 2012, 11:30 am

Jane's a great finisher, Savea is looking good too.

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Post by Guest Sat 13 Oct 2012, 12:39 pm

most ab are great finishers. check gears finishes. the one against ireland was immense. made earls look like a child



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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 13 Oct 2012, 3:02 pm

Sarries walking this.

Ashton looking really sharp despite not seeing much ball, good signs for England.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 13 Oct 2012, 3:07 pm

Great finish Goode, Sarries looking like the AB's in the 2nd half

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 13 Oct 2012, 3:45 pm

Cracking try Jon Davies, such a threat at 13. Scarlets on fire

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 13 Oct 2012, 3:51 pm

Tries for Farrell and Davies today then, wonder how they'd do as a midfield combination?!?!? Whistle
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 13 Oct 2012, 3:52 pm

Haha....well JD is quality at 13, I'll leave it at that.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 13 Oct 2012, 3:57 pm

Williams/JD make a great combo, great pace/feet and physical threat.

North and Nalaga is some match up, cracking game so far.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 13 Oct 2012, 4:00 pm

I'm watching Leinster vs. Exeter. Chiefs giving a good account of themselves so far.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 13 Oct 2012, 4:05 pm

Scarlets 13-6 up but Stoddard in bin. Priestland playing really well, as is JD, North, Williams.

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Post by stnick88 Sat 13 Oct 2012, 4:57 pm

Clermont too strong now. Chiefs playing very well

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