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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu 11 Oct 2012, 4:38 pm

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Second win of the season for Saracens and defeats for Welsh, Wasps and Worcester mean there is just 3 points between the bottom four.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Steven_Sharks Thu 01 Nov 2012, 3:06 pm

Don't worry Pete we are short of attacking threat with Addison, Brady and Miller. Cips and Leota will trouble you if they are on there game as will Cueto. You are much more threatening than our backs. Our threat will come from Powell, Willis and Cips. In all our honesty our pack is a good one in terms of ball carriers. Harrison will surprise many in the loose, never seen him scrummage.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Thu 01 Nov 2012, 3:16 pm

Hape is getting on pretty well by all accounts I've read Nick. Taken leadership of the defence and is getting the offloading game going. Working with Galthie seems to suit him. I reckon France would rival the All Blacks for the best in the world if he was coach!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Thu 01 Nov 2012, 3:21 pm

I'm interested to see how PSA does. He knows how to build a good team.


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Post by stnick88 Thu 01 Nov 2012, 3:26 pm

Fair enough. Never had a good string of games for Irish, but looked quite good when Bowden was at 10.

Whats happened to Bowden, he still injured?

I heard a rumour that Irish werent as bothered about letting him go as they might have been as they knew he has injury problems.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 02 Nov 2012, 7:48 pm

Richie Gray and Cameron Sheppard have been pulled out of Sale side to face Irish.

Strong rumours going around they were just named to attract more fans to game.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 02 Nov 2012, 7:55 pm

Munster v Blues the only game on tv tonight??

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 02 Nov 2012, 7:59 pm

You can watch the ulster one on the bbc website
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:01 pm

Watch young Gilroy tearing it up on BBC NI for Ulster!

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:02 pm

Nah watch the Blues and laugh!!
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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:02 pm

I can watch Ulster on BBC NI (sky 972 or close to it) or on 168 on BBC ALBA.

Just watched the highlights of England under 18's smashing scotland a few years back.

The backline was

9. Ryan Glynn (currently at Saints)
10. George Ford
11. Manu Tuilagi
12. Owen Farrell
13. JJ
14. Christian Wade
15. Jack Wallace.

Fair chance that 5 of them will play in the same England back line at some point in the future. Unreal set of players.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:03 pm

Ah they are doing better this week Prop! Probably had more chances then Munster but not as clinical

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:04 pm

Ulster game it is

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:04 pm

Yeah and they haven't given up like they had against Leinster by now!! Never actually picked a welsh region to follow.

Oooo Wales vs England 1999 on s4c later..........sure you lads will love to watch Mr Gibbs again!!
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:11 pm

Ferris is playing! Oh no he's injured...looks nasty

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:11 pm

Ferris off injured. surprising.

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:12 pm

Good angle from Hewitt for Blues try there.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:18 pm

Sale 8-0 up. Irish have had most of the game but getting pinged off the park and Sale taking their chances.
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Post by stnick88 Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:21 pm

im worried already. we just dont travel well. and by the sound of it are playing s hit.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:27 pm

Lots of knock ons and errors, very much like Worcester away. We are shoite at Friday night rugby under lights!
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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:29 pm

8-3 now, penalty from iHumph.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:34 pm

Howd you fluff that Payne

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:35 pm

He'd have scored it easy if he'd gone himself. Guy trying to switch didn't help

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:36 pm

Even without Best that Ulster front row is good!! Afoa makes such a difference.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:38 pm

Made up for it, lovely angle. Class act Payne

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:40 pm

Afoa for me maybe the best TH in the Heineken cup. His scrummaging combined with his loose play is superb. I can't think of any better but Cole, Castro are on a par and Jones might be a better scrumager but loose play can be non existant

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:40 pm

Sale bossing it (apart from first 5 mins) according to the commentary I'm listening to. Decent lead been built up.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:46 pm

15-3 at half time.

This is reminiscent of our game with Worcester on a Friday night. We are struggling with basics like actually catching the ball. Very poor. We've not made Sale work for either of their tries really.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:47 pm

Are you watching it pete or just listening to a commentary? or are you there?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:49 pm

Munster might have nicked this at the death. Diabolical defence from Tom James

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:50 pm

That Gilroy try was never a try either!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:50 pm

Apparently a shoulder is ok??

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:51 pm

I'm listening to a commentary and getting updates from some mates who are there. Apparently it has been lashing it down and it's not the best game of rugby ever seen.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:52 pm

That doesn't surprise me. Our scrum seems to be holding up and Andy Powell seems to be continuing his fine form.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:54 pm

Aulika got pinged at the first two scrums, which is a massive surprise as he has dominated allcomers so far this season. With the exception of Topsy getting stopped a yard from the line in the first minute, we've not really looked like scoring a try. I can't see us winning this to be honest. If we get an LBP now and stop you getting the TBP I will be happy.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 02 Nov 2012, 8:56 pm

Harrison only a kid as well and Buckley not much of a scrumager, although he might have the beating of Lahiff who is still a youngster himself.

Think Tommy Taylor is going to be a fine hooker.

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 02 Nov 2012, 9:02 pm

Lydiate off to Metro apparently
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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 02 Nov 2012, 9:46 pm

Good win. Pleased to deny Irish a BP and not concede a try.

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Post by Guest Sat 03 Nov 2012, 1:12 am

Steven_Sharks wrote:Afoa for me maybe the best TH in the Heineken cup. His scrummaging combined with his loose play is superb. I can't think of any better but Cole, Castro are on a par and Jones might be a better scrumager but loose play can be non existant



Afoa nowhere near cole or Castro scrum wise. However he is a fantastic all rounder who has developed. He was known As " oh noa it's afoa"

Afoa mobile and top player but not a massive scrummager.

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Post by Guest Sat 03 Nov 2012, 1:19 am

Steven_Sharks wrote:Afoa for me maybe the best TH in the Heineken cup. His scrummaging combined with his loose play is superb. I can't think of any better but Cole, Castro are on a par and Jones might be a better scrumager but loose play can be non existant



Afoa nowhere near cole, mas or Castro scrum wise. However he is a fantastic all rounder who has developed. He was known As " oh noa it's afoa"

Afoa mobile and top player but not a massive scrummager. His loose play and attitude is wc . Great signing Steve

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Post by Guest Sat 03 Nov 2012, 1:32 am

Wow well done sale. Irish in trouble nick/pete ?


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Post by Guest Sat 03 Nov 2012, 1:34 am

I thought glos would struggle shocked sale and Irish struggling.

Diamond top coach
Smith a joker - Irish better than smith

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 03 Nov 2012, 8:56 am

On the basis of one game, diamond is a top coach and Smith is a joker???


Irish have work to do for sure, and we need to be better than were last night, but I am not worried about going down, we have shown enough for me to feel safe.

I don't think Sale will go down either, they have too good a squad, and yes, Diamond coaching them will help. He is a good coach, and clearly a better coach than he is a CEO.

For me Welsh will still finish bottom.
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Post by Guest Sat 03 Nov 2012, 10:07 am

No always liked diamond and often said it on here. I know most Irish fans hate diamond after the other year.

For me diamond always sorts out the forwards which is the key.

Always think smith is not a great head coach.

Would have him as a backs coach but think Irish pack one of the weakest in prem and their recruitment has been poor.

The wet weather will really hurt them. Agree pete that welsh will go down. Irish will be bottom 3.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 03 Nov 2012, 10:23 am

Our pack has improved massively this year under Delaney Mat. Still a long way to go, but we are much better up front than we were last year. We didn't lose last night because of the pack in all honesty, we lost because of an inability to do the basics, like catching the ball, be that from kicks or from passes from a team mate. Our midfield defence was also poor, although that perhaps is due to having a 12 and 13 who hadn't played those positions together before. We also missed O'Leary massively in that regard as he is our defence captain and has been in really good form for us.
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Post by Driver Sat 03 Nov 2012, 10:31 am

Tomas O'Leary is quality , great signing for Irish. Got a real zip to his game compared to other 9s and his tactical kicking is on a nail 99.99% of the time.

Very surprised Munster let Stringer stay and let TOL leave.
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Post by Guest Sat 03 Nov 2012, 10:36 am

O'leary has been excellent when I have seen him.

Tagi is no centre and you fellas have been so unlucky with injuries and form. Like Northampton your lack of a ten is crucial. I humph not for me.

If glos lose burns we are in trouble

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 03 Nov 2012, 10:39 am

I suspect it was more TOL wanted to leave and was on more dough than Stringer. TOL would play at most half the games for Munster and that not enough for him I'd have thought

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 03 Nov 2012, 10:57 am

10 not a problem Mat, iHumph has been good, 12 has been the issue in the backs for us. Armitage had 2 good games there and then got shunted to 13 last night as we had no JJ. Losi has looked sharp out on the wing, and whilst I could see why Smith tried him there when we lost Ansbro, it is clear to everyone that it doesn't work and should be abandoned as an experiment.

Key men for us, that if we lose any of them for an extended period we could find ourselves struggling to stay up are Aulika, Garvey and TOL. Without them we have no scrum and our defence is all over the place.
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Post by dammit_chris Sat 03 Nov 2012, 11:48 am

Another good article by Greenwood - think he's by far the best pundit in rugby. . Suggests that the long term answer to England's problems in midfield is moving Tuilagi to 12 and JJ at 13 - could take quite a few years to get there though!

Potential to work, but think you'd need Ford, Burns or Cipriani to really step up and be very good to make it happen, unless Tuilagi passed that bit more.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/9652185/Englands-central-question-who-partners-Manu-Tuilagi.html

Ferris looks like he could be out of the AI's now too

http://www.lionsrugby.com/news/12142.php

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sat 03 Nov 2012, 11:50 am

Given that Joubert has made himself available for selection am I good to use him as EQ now?

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