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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu 11 Oct 2012, 4:38 pm

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Second win of the season for Saracens and defeats for Welsh, Wasps and Worcester mean there is just 3 points between the bottom four.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Oct 2012, 2:27 pm

What has happened to Edinburgh! Not scored a point yet in this years HC have they?

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Oct 2012, 2:37 pm

How do you think Sale will go in France today Steven? Big game for Cipriani - good article by Shaun Edwards about him midweek, saying he's the most naturally gifted English player he's seen, but wants to see him develop more mental toughness - would like to see him put a good run of games together now though - one of my favourite players to watch when he's on form, very frustrating when he isn't! Would have liked him back at Wasps.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Oct 2012, 2:39 pm

I think we will lose but hopefully we play some more exciting rugby and see what happens.

We have gone with a weakish side (Leota, Vernon, Powell all on bench).



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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Oct 2012, 3:01 pm

Espc as the French have gone for a stronger side this time - how have you rated Cipriani so far?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Oct 2012, 3:03 pm

YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS. That is how we roll. Counter attack after being completely dominated.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Oct 2012, 3:04 pm

Cips was good last week and just done a sublime cross field kick after a great break from Brady.

He is growing into it is how I will put it.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Oct 2012, 4:03 pm

We might just sneak this you know. Cips kicking from hand has been sublime

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Oct 2012, 4:09 pm

I take that back. We can't scrummage

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Oct 2012, 4:17 pm

played well considering strength of opposition though! their pack is pretty impressive, doubt many teams will go there and win away.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Oct 2012, 4:25 pm

They really turned it on 2nd half with 2 lovely tries. FTD woke up and started playing. fancy us to beat them in Salford.

Hopefully we go for the BP now. Think we deserve 1 match point at least to keep us with a shot if getting into the Amlin

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Oct 2012, 4:38 pm

Wow, who knew Flood has some wheels!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Oct 2012, 4:41 pm

Why has Crane scored a pen???

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Oct 2012, 5:02 pm

Ben Youngs....motm Very Happy

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Post by stnick88 Sun 21 Oct 2012, 5:25 pm

Care was even more impressive yday and still the form
9 for me

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 21 Oct 2012, 5:27 pm

Good win for tigers. Youngs and Floo looking good.
No-one seems to be slating T.Youngs throwing anymore...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Oct 2012, 5:32 pm

Good to have the competition going into the AI's Nick

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Oct 2012, 5:34 pm

Be very suprised if Care doesn't start.

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Oct 2012, 5:39 pm

Hartley been phenomenal. Gray has been superb also. Think gray will be superb back up

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Oct 2012, 5:50 pm

Not seeing it at all Matt with Hartley, really fancy Gray to surpass him but needs the chance.

Might be a little late coming back for Youngs, I'd probably start Care too with Youngs off bench.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Oct 2012, 5:54 pm

Marler
Hartley
Cole
Lawes
Parling
Wood
Robshaw
Morgan
Care
Flood
Monye
Tuilagi
Joseph
Ashton
Foden

I'd be surprised by anything else except maybe Tuilagi at 13 and someone else at 12. But i'm pretty convinced manu and JJ are the future at centre so should stick with them as the centre combo.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Oct 2012, 5:56 pm

Foden is injured I think

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Oct 2012, 5:56 pm

Barritt/Tuilagi our best centre partnership imo

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Oct 2012, 5:58 pm

Of course he is.

Brown at 15 then.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Oct 2012, 6:00 pm

Barritt only really offers a defensive game. We won't progress picking players for their defence, except perhaps in the back row.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Oct 2012, 6:06 pm

I disagree, Barritt has a lot more in his locker. Tuilagi is a quality 13, I'd keep him there.

A back line is about balance not just shoehorning players in. Not sure JJ is quite ready for the step up.

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Post by Driver Sun 21 Oct 2012, 6:11 pm

Barritt all the way for me , got a great offload about him and pretty good vision.
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Post by Fluxy Sun 21 Oct 2012, 6:15 pm

Has Barritt had the chance to play outside Flood? If not I'd like to see a Barritt Tuilagi midfield with Joseph off the bench. I reckon Barritt would thrive with Flood putting him into some decent holes and lines.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Oct 2012, 6:18 pm

Barritt has proved he has nothing but defence to offer at the top level. i can't remember a single instance where he has offered something in attack iin an England shirt other than crash ball.

maybe he will prove me wrong.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Oct 2012, 6:21 pm

I'd preserver with him Steve, I'm a big fan. He deserves to play outside Flood for a few games as Farrell didn't really ignite the back line too well. He's been great for Sarries lately.

I'd have JJ & Burns on bench.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Oct 2012, 6:27 pm

I don't think Burns is ready for international rugby quite yet myself. I expect we might see him at some stage during AI's though.

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Oct 2012, 6:39 pm

Thing is we have to pick best of what we have. Flood is not top
Class but is best we have for
Time being.

Barritt is more a 12 than tuilagi so probably needs to start but again like flood is not the answer.

Both will go missing against top opposition but we have no other
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Post by stnick88 Sun 21 Oct 2012, 6:48 pm

Jj good bench option can change a game. Barritt and tuilagi to start.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Oct 2012, 7:10 pm

Barritt definitely not going to be a guy who takes England forward and makes them win against the top three teams - good solid player, but who else is there than him? Think he will always be ok against northern hem teams, but when you go against NZ/SA he's well below.

I think similar of Flood, behind a top pack he's a great player as today showed, but he is frustratingly inconsistent and takes some really bad options that gets him into trouble and our 10/12 channel is a real problem area against the top teams.

But again there isnt anyone else - Ford is going to be the solution, but how long until he is ready for England?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Oct 2012, 7:15 pm

Agree with some points there.

Flood has proved he's the best option and at least he'll get our backline moving. Looking forward to the AI's, I think we'll beat SA but not NZ.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 21 Oct 2012, 7:29 pm

Has to be Barritt at 12 for now, hopefully 36 as we get closer to 2015 makes it his shirt. Not keen on Tuialgi at 12.

See Dusuatoir out for most of AIs.

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Oct 2012, 10:09 pm

Luke as a glos fan 36 is millions of miles away from England. He is average and will be a club player. Not enough in his locker. Can't be that slow and play international. His defence is dopey also. Glad we signed him but can also see why Leicester binned him. Not as good as allen

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Post by Driver Sun 21 Oct 2012, 10:17 pm

I'm not sure what the fuss is with 12T , Never been impressed with him that much.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Oct 2012, 10:37 pm

Bloody harsh there Matt!

I like Twelvetrees, I think he'll grow at Gloucester. We have a big lack of quality 12's and he's got a broad skill set. Be interesting to see how's he's developed at end of season.

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Post by Driver Sun 21 Oct 2012, 10:43 pm

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 21 Oct 2012, 10:52 pm

Dopey defence??
Never for me.

Puts in great hits, rarely gets beat. Huge lad that for me has all the attributes. Powerful, great passer, excellent kicker. Honestly think he'll grow to be a class 12.

Completely disagree with you mate.

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Post by Driver Sun 21 Oct 2012, 10:54 pm

Always wanted Barkley to kick on and become our world beater at 12. Had everything besides big hits in his locker.

Be a tasty backline

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 21 Oct 2012, 10:58 pm

Spooky, just reading the inside centre thread on main board. Seems I'm not alone in disagreeing with you matt...


Re: England Inside Centre
 by timhen on Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:07 pm
I think the idea that 36 wasn't a good defender is one of those myths that this forum can be so fond of creating.

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Re: England Inside Centre
 by bluestonevedder on Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:15 pm
Absolutely. 36 is a brilliant defender, and has been since his days at Bedford. He's a big lad, and has put some great hits in this season so far, as well as consistently defending his channel.

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Re: England Inside Centre
 by gregortree on Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:27 pm
36 has had a great impact at Glaws so far this season. Tall strong lad, good carrier & tackler and has also done some p/t FH duty with some aplomb. This is club level of course, but it would be intersting to seem him get a shout at international level..after a while.



Just opinions, obviously, and everyone is entitled to their own. Just not sure you can slate 36 for being a poor defender. Positioning will get better with age/experience too.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Oct 2012, 11:44 pm

Matt...what have you started!!

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Post by Guest Mon 22 Oct 2012, 8:27 am

LLL when I say dopey defence what I mean is positioning wise. For me that comes from being shunted around between 10 and 12 and not being allowed to learn his position. 36 is a big lad and puts in some big hits. He does however get caught out a bit playing for glos.


He is a decent player and has good passing a huge kick( although radar is a bit wayward. It is improving though )

Having had both Allen and 36 at glos I know That for me Allen is a much better player.

36 is about 23/24 now so cant see him kicking on much further. Great signing for glos just can't see him being England standard

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Post by stnick88 Mon 22 Oct 2012, 8:46 am

I think a lot of England fans have high hopes for 12T as we see him as a replacement for Greenwood which we havent had for so long. We all want him to be the number 12 we lack but I'm not sure he is quite there yet.

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Post by Guest Mon 22 Oct 2012, 9:14 am

stnick88 wrote:I think a lot of England fans have high hopes for 12T as we see him as a replacement for Greenwood which we havent had for so long. We all want him to be the number 12 we lack but I'm not sure he is quite there yet.


100% agree nick. I thought he was only 20-21 until Thursday but when I read how old he was made me think he will never kick on to the next level.

We shall see!

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Post by stnick88 Mon 22 Oct 2012, 9:28 am

http://www.espnscrum.com/lions-tour-2013/rugby/story/171513.html

seems a bit odd putting worcester and irish players in considering the opposition.

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Post by prop_lyd Mon 22 Oct 2012, 1:09 pm

Catching up on Saints game in lunch break, 12mins in, Tong is really out of form, he's walking around already.
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon 22 Oct 2012, 3:26 pm

Higginbotham gets 4 week ban.

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Post by prop_lyd Mon 22 Oct 2012, 3:48 pm

Blydi typical!!
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