90' 00's fighters that would have pounded Wladimir

Another HW defence this weekend for the King of the HW's


So here are some fighters that would have kebonked him

Mike Tyson: would have come inside with a bob and a weae and KO'd him hard
Evander Prime. Dirty enough to compete on inside, wear him down, late KO
Lennox Lewis. Far better skills. Would have been pensive at first but Lewis woulda KO'd him later
Prime Vitali. Just woulda ripped his heart out
Bowe, Prime Tua would have had a chance, too.

Anymore for anymore?

Seanusarrilius wrote:Another HW defence this weekend for the King of the HW's

I've always thought Holyfield would have been savvy enough to get inside and trouble Wlad. Tyson might have also been aggressive and mobile enough to do the same. Tough fights, those one. Wouldn't say they'd 'pound' or 'kebonk' him though.

I agree that Lewis and Vitali beat him 9 times out of 10.

Bowe vs Wlad would be intriguing. Difficult to call.

Prime Tua - a punchers chance.

The only way Tua would have a prayer against Wladimir is if he was matched against the pre-Steward version. Against the Wlad of more recent times (ie, a prime Wladimir) he'd need a nigh-on miracle to win that one.

Much fairer to imagine each man at their respective peak, I think.

Tyson I fully agree with. It's a nightmare fight for Wladimir. He may go the distance, ala Smith and Tucker, but if Tyson's on his best form then he stops a still standing, but visibly spent Wladimir around the sixth or seventh round.

I actually think that Wladimir has a very, very good style for beating Holyfield. The only time Evander was able to gain the upper hand against Bowe was when 'Big Daddy' experienced a rush of blood and slugged with him. That aside, Holyfield had no answer to the rangy, accurate and damn hard jab and seemed a little lightweight when trying to push his way inside. Holyfield was 4-4-1 against his biggest Heavyweight rivals in the nineties (Bowe, Lewis, Tyson and Moorer) so I wouldn't be comfortable making him a big favourite here, if indeed he is favourite at all. Holyfield via late stoppage one time out of three, Wladimir on poins the other two.

Bowe is a tough one to call, granted. For all his talent, Bowe did get discouraged when he coudln't control the fight, and he didn't like fighting for the full three minutes of every round, either. Bowe had one glorious high, the likes of which Wladimir can't match, but I think he's given too many mystical powers by some because of it. Close fight, neither man more than a 60:40 favourite, for me.

Lewis is a warm-ish favorite. Unlike Bowe, Lennox did know how to keep his cool when the other man was taking rounds off him, which Wladimir would doubtless do, and knew when to pull the trigger at the key moment, that curious fifth round against Holyfield aside. I think he has enough very small edges over Wladimir to eek out a decision, something like 116-113, or maybe stop Wladimir late on.

Union Cane wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Another HW defence this weekend for the King of the HW's

King of the current HW's

Come on Union. If I let your Audley will beat Price prediction slide, you can leave this alone

Who is Wlad fighting?

88Chris05 wrote:The only way Tua would have a prayer against Wladimir is if he was matched against the pre-Steward version. Against the Wlad of more recent times (ie, a prime Wladimir) he'd need a nigh-on miracle to win that one.

Much fairer to imagine each man at their respective peak, I think.

Tyson I fully agree with. It's a nightmare fight for Wladimir. He may go the distance, ala Smith and Tucker, but if Tyson's on his best form then he stops a still standing, but visibly spent Wladimir around the sixth or seventh round.

I actually think that Wladimir has a very, very good style for beating Holyfield. The only time Evander was able to gain the upper hand against Bowe was when 'Big Daddy' experienced a rush of blood and slugged with him. That aside, Holyfield had no answer to the rangy, accurate and damn hard jab and seemed a little lightweight when trying to push his way inside. Holyfield was 4-4-1 against his biggest Heavyweight rivals in the nineties (Bowe, Lewis, Tyson and Moorer) so I wouldn't be comfortable making him a big favourite here, if indeed he is favourite at all. Holyfield via late stoppage one time out of three, Wladimir on poins the other two.

Bowe is a tough one to call, granted. For all his talent, Bowe did get discouraged when he coudln't control the fight, and he didn't like fighting for the full three minutes of every round, either. Bowe had one glorious high, the likes of which Wladimir can't match, but I think he's given too many mystical powers by some because of it. Close fight, neither man more than a 60:40 favourite, for me.

Lewis is a warm-ish favorite. Unlike Bowe, Lennox did know how to keep his cool when the other man was taking rounds off him, which Wladimir would doubtless do, and knew when to pull the trigger at the key moment, that curious fifth round against Holyfield aside. I think he has enough very small edges over Wladimir to eek out a decision, something like 116-113, or maybe stop Wladimir late on.

Excellent breakdown as ever

azania wrote:Who is Wlad fighting?

Audley. He's getting a title shot....

.....and Union is backing him to win

Does anybody know how I can Wach it?

seanmichaels wrote:Does anybody know how I can Wach it?

Use a television.

The Wach fight is on 10th November, I've no idea who he is fighting this weekend.

azania wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:Does anybody know how I can Wach it?

Use a television.

Ah the Saffa sense of humour! Only matched by the Germans when it comes to one liners.

Union Cane wrote:The Wach fight is on 10th November, I've no idea who he is fighting this weekend.

Wich fight?

seanmichaels wrote:

azania wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:Does anybody know how I can Wach it?

Use a television.

Ah the Saffa sense of humour! Only matched by the Germans when it comes to one liners.

At least we beat the Germans at something.

Riddick Bowe would have hammered Wladimir.

Holyfield would also have beaten him down. He hurt Bowe in all three fights and buzzed Lennox in their rematch. I don't see Klitschko taking those shots. Wladimir has been fighting puddings for the majority of his career and while Holyfield had his off nights, he was a big occasion fighter. He'd have broken Klitschko's heart.

Tyson & Lewis would surely have knocked him out. The version of Razor Ruddock that faced Mike Tyson first time around would have scared him to death, also.

88Chris05 wrote:The only way Tua would have a prayer against Wladimir is if he was matched against the pre-Steward version. Against the Wlad of more recent times (ie, a prime Wladimir) he'd need a nigh-on miracle to win that one.

Much fairer to imagine each man at their respective peak, I think.

Tyson I fully agree with. It's a nightmare fight for Wladimir. He may go the distance, ala Smith and Tucker, but if Tyson's on his best form then he stops a still standing, but visibly spent Wladimir around the sixth or seventh round.

I actually think that Wladimir has a very, very good style for beating Holyfield. The only time Evander was able to gain the upper hand against Bowe was when 'Big Daddy' experienced a rush of blood and slugged with him. That aside, Holyfield had no answer to the rangy, accurate and damn hard jab and seemed a little lightweight when trying to push his way inside. Holyfield was 4-4-1 against his biggest Heavyweight rivals in the nineties (Bowe, Lewis, Tyson and Moorer) so I wouldn't be comfortable making him a big favourite here, if indeed he is favourite at all. Holyfield via late stoppage one time out of three, Wladimir on poins the other two.

Bowe is a tough one to call, granted. For all his talent, Bowe did get discouraged when he coudln't control the fight, and he didn't like fighting for the full three minutes of every round, either. Bowe had one glorious high, the likes of which Wladimir can't match, but I think he's given too many mystical powers by some because of it. Close fight, neither man more than a 60:40 favourite, for me.

Lewis is a warm-ish favorite. Unlike Bowe, Lennox did know how to keep his cool when the other man was taking rounds off him, which Wladimir would doubtless do, and knew when to pull the trigger at the key moment, that curious fifth round against Holyfield aside. I think he has enough very small edges over Wladimir to eek out a decision, something like 116-113, or maybe stop Wladimir late on.

+ 1 on this, very well reasoned. The only thing I would slightly disagree with is Lewis, I would put Wlad favourite 60-40ish, purley because he sets and controls the range so well. I think his superior footwork and jab would edge Lewis out. Other than that, agree completely.

I think with Lewis the chin factor is up with it for me, whilst I think Wlad's chin is in nowhere near as horrendous as some will put it out as, it's not exactly a particularly good one, so I think that if Lewis can land big on him, he's probably gonna end up going, I think Lewis' power will end up getting to him big 8 times out of 10.

Prime Lewis would batter Wlad,wouldn't get to the half way stage of the fight, big KO from Lewis.

Lewis was a better fighter in every department and as the aggressor would be racking up rounds quite easily before closing the show before the halfway mark. He wouldn't get complacent against a top level opponent especially one who be scared to death of his power.

corrie sanders would have beaten wlad at anytime i think. wlad did improve massively after his loss to sanders, but not enough to be able to beat him. wlads defeats often get dismissed because of his improvements, but in truth hes never fought anyone as tough as sanders since he tasted defeat.
lewis beats wlad every time for me. tyson at his best would knock him out, but if he fell short then wlad could take a lop sided decision. but i think wlad would be at least competitive against holy or bowe and i would back him to beat tua comfortably.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Lewis was a better fighter in every department and as the aggressor would be racking up rounds quite easily before closing the show before the halfway mark. He wouldn't get complacent against a top level opponent especially one who be scared to death of his power.

Better in every department?...His footwork, speed of hand and foot, punching power isn't as good as Wlad.

You have a agenda against the Klitschko's.

I'd say Lewis punching power surpasses that of Wlad, especially his over hand right and uppercut.

I agree Wlad's footwork is better.

Lewis wins speed of punch, Wlad shades timing.

According to the trainer of both guys Wlad had more punching power and more speed.

In sparring maybe but all of that was said when he was Wlads current trainer.

Lewis had a more varied attack, was a very good body puncher when he decided to throw, had a better left hand and a far more devastating right hand, his hook and uppercut put most fighters to shame let alone Wlad. He had a more dominating jab against a higher level of opposition, Wlad may shade footwork but that is about it.

The genius of PBF wrote:According to the trainer of both guys Wlad had more punching power and more speed.

A legend such as Manny provided psychological, as well as physical, conditioning.....of course he was going to "big up" his then current steed.

Confidence is key.

It's such a cop out just to say so and so said it so it must be true, i'm sure Roach for instance has said a lot about Chavez and Pacquiao that you yourself wont agree with. Foreman has consistently said that Lewis is the greatest of them all and that he'd fancied his chances at 58 against Wlad but would have run a mile from Lewis. We do have to take a fighters current trainers opinion with a pinch of salt.

Also, if your fighter is unfairly and emphatically underrated then of course you are going to make grand statements.

It must have been frustrating for him.

Shut up Ghosty two hall of fame trainers agree that Wlad has better punching power...You have been proven wrong as usual.

One maybe take a pinch of salt but when two agree you need to take it seriously.

Lets ask Ray Mercer who hit harder...Im sure he would agree that it was Wlad.

Foreman is able to say from a vast amount of experience that he'd be worried about fighting Lewis but would have taken on Vitali if he'd won the fight with Lewis.

Foreman: Lewis
Steward: Klitschko

One a boxer, one a trainer. I'd say its probably somewhere in the middle. From a trainers perspective, he'll be going on sparring and the bags/pads. From Foremans perspective he'd be imagining taking the shots (he's been in with a fair few people who could dig)

I'd say one punch KO power/accuracy: Lewis
Accumulation: Wlad.

I don't really see Wladimir as being hugely explosive, but he is certainly a hurtful puncher.

Accumulation would be wlad by virtue of not being aggressive enough to end a fight early as Lewis did so often.

Vitali needs to quit. He's not this boxer anymore.

He wahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBzFboy9GfM&feature=related

I would be gutted if Haye beat the fighter he is now.

I don't really like Lewis' chances of just turning up and simply blasting Wladimir out early, to be honest. The best jabbers and range fighters Lewis faced (Tucker, Bruno, Holyfield, even Vitali before the cuts stoppage) showed that they could go the distance with him, or at the very least out-jab him for periods and give him severe problems.

I'd still put my money on Lewis for this, mind you. I tend to think that their actual physical capabilities are comparable, with no great edge to either man. But Lewis has that little bit more to win with than Wlad, I think; he has the superior killer instinct, and showed once or twice that he could survive a shoot out. Both men are capable of pulling the win in the 'boxing match', so to speak, but if they're swapping blows which have a knockout in mind it's hard to look past Lewis.

Wladimir's defence has improved so much, to the point where I'd still see a fight between, say, the current him and the 2000 version of Lewis as a distance fight more often than not. Lewis to take most of the verdicts with the odd stoppage win, Wladimir to win a few decisions of his own if they engaged in a series of 'Kid' Lewis-Jack Britton proportions.

With the exception of Bruno the names you mentioned weren't as vulnerable to a big like wlad was and is though Chris, with that in mind I think that Lewis would be fairly confident of finishing things fairly early. He also has a more proven record against men of similar stature so in essence think he holds the physical advantage at least in each of their mindsets.

Ha ha the usual one eyed ghosty strikes and his strange hatred of the Klitshkos. I think Lewis wins but not by much. He was often troubled by fighters of similar stature who could jab. Lewis wins a 2-1 trilogy.

Hatred no but i'm thoroughly unappreciative of their skills and supposed greatness.

TheMackemMawler wrote:I'd say Lewis punching power surpasses that of Wlad, especially his over hand right and uppercut.

I agree Wlad's footwork is better.

Lewis wins speed of punch, Wlad shades timing.

You kidding man? Wlad's speed of punch is amazing for a man his size. You can't really compare the over hand right and uppercut to Wlad's as he simply doesn't throw those punches, his left hook is vicious whereas Lewis didn't throw it as much so it's pointless to compare those to. Though Klitschko's had a lot more power.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/weblog/news.php?p=1668&more=1

Phil Jackson who fought both said Wladimir was a much harder puncher.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/weblog/news.php?p=1668&more=1

“I trained with almost all the big boys in boxing,” said sparring partner Corey ‘T-Rex’ Sanders. “But Wladimir’s punch is far beyond. He beats like a horse, he could run a marathon and he moves like a ballerina.” Former sparring partner of Lewis, Golota,Tyson etc..

http://dugger-s-ranch.2299399.n4.nabble.com/I-sparred-with-Evander-Holyfield-George-Foreman-Lennox-Lewis-David-Tua-and-others-td4090601.html

From a sparring partner of all top heavyweights in the last couple of decades.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/wlads-even-better-than-lennox-says-750329

Manny Steward backing up what the rest of them say and to be honest he would know for sure, he worked with Lewis for 8 years? and the same amount of time as Wlad.

What do they know when we have ghosty to tell us all otherwise.

Power in sparring doesn't always translate to power in a fight, wlad is a far lesser power puncher than Lewis, someone with his supposed skill and shouldn't be letting so many overmatched opponents see the latter rounds.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Power in sparring doesn't always translate to power in a fight, wlad is a far lesser power puncher than Lewis, someone with his supposed skill and shouldn't be letting so many overmatched opponents see the latter rounds.

Nonsense. It all depends on the style used during the fight/ One could argue based on the Holy performance that Lewis is not a big puncher as he hit him regularly but couldn't put him down.

Wlad is cautious and doesn't unload as he should do to bring some excitement to his fights. He is clinically efficient and all evidence by mutual sparring partners says its Wlad who is the bigger puncher. Their word is good enough for me.

How do you work out " he is a far lesser power puncher"? i have never seen a guy who has fought or train Wlad and Lewis and said that Lewis punches harder. He put combinations together a lot better. Except Tyson, Lewis never knocked out any particularily durable fighters, great puncher but for me and it's more than backed up Wlad is a harder puncher.

Why doesn't he end fights regularly with one punch if he's such a huge puncher, he grinds guys down more than anything. To suggest he hits harder than Tyson is ridiculous.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Power in sparring doesn't always translate to power in a fight, wlad is a far lesser power puncher than Lewis, someone with his supposed skill and shouldn't be letting so many overmatched opponents see the latter rounds.

Powers is power whether its in sparring or in the ring, the same power is there whether used or not, you cannot say otherwise. I understand where you are coming from, Wlad in your opinion doesn't display this same power in the ring as he does in sparring, so when you compare him to Lewis's display of power in the ring he comes second best. Wlad we all know fights behind the jab with caution, doesn't take big risks & gets the job done. The fact that many in boxing, be it trainers, sparring partners or common opponents say Wlad is the harder or more powerful puncher makes your opinion redundent. Lets be perfectly honest your never going to agree with az & would probably argue black was white with him.

I base my opinions on what I see and from watching them both fight it is Lewis who appears to be the more destructive puncher. What happens in sparring isnt of any concern to me, when in a fight wlads apparently destructive power disappears.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I base my opinions on what I see and from watching them both fight it is Lewis who appears to be the more destructive puncher. What happens in sparring isnt of any concern to me, when in a fight wlads apparently destructive power disappears.

That's fair enough & I'll never knock somebody from basing an opinion from what they've seen with there own eyes. Its just a pity so many on here rate fighters that they've never seen due to there being no footage on 2nd & 3rd hand testimony's.

With regards to power in sparring well it is still there & no doubt Wlad could express it more in an actual fight if he so desired. I think his jab is harder than Lewis's, so often Lewis just pawed with it we never really got to see its potential/full force.

I think Lewis is a more natural fighter than Wlad but maybe Wlad is the more natural/better athlete.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Why doesn't he end fights regularly with one punch if he's such a huge puncher, he grinds guys down more than anything. To suggest he hits harder than Tyson is ridiculous.

Grinding guys down would be hitting guys with a lot of right hands, to eventually force a stoppage. Pretty much as soon as he lands his right hand properly guys just defend and run, i'm thinking of Chambers and Chagaev recently who felt the power in round 2 and just hid until late on after being on jelly legs. Riddick Bowe for example was good at taking out opponents early, he hit hard but nowhere near as hard as Klitschko, but he would go after opponents early hitting them with lots of hard punches, much like Lewis with his stoppages of Botha,Grant,Golota, these stoppages were not from one punch but an accumulation of hard punches. That's why i'm saying shot for shot Wlad is the hardest puncher of the lot, he doesn't throw many power shots but when he does his opponents sure know about it.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I base my opinions on what I see and from watching them both fight it is Lewis who appears to be the more destructive puncher. What happens in sparring isnt of any concern to me, when in a fight wlads apparently destructive power disappears.

It dissapears where? the guy has 51 KO's in 58 victories despite fighting pretty apprehensively, he also has the record (14) amount of stoppages over guys who haven't previously been stopped before. You keep saying about sparring but i gave you a clear example of Phil Jackson who fought both in a pro bout when Wlad actually threw power punches and he said he hit much harder.

Lewis, Holyfied, Tyson, Bowe, Vitali, Ruddock, ibeabuchi would all ruin Wlad.
I would also give Morrison, Mercer, Tucker, Cooper a great chance of catching him and putting him away.
Just a look at the 3 people who have destroyed him in the past tell you anyone half decent would have a chance, unfortunately theres really no one around at the moment who is even half decent.