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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 09 Nov 2012, 9:19 am

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Saracens move off the bottom of the table after picking up a losing bonus point against Gloucester.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by dammit_chris Mon 26 Nov 2012, 6:29 pm

Your right Pooly, he'd be very welcome at Wasps! Saints seemed to get a little too gready with the props they had - assuming that this means that they might well be giving more game time to the Waller brothers next year - got a friend who knows the Saints management very well and he says that they are really struggling to sign top players - they missed out on 3-4 big names over the summer, including Jonathan Davies.

Slightly unfortunate there Pete! He looked really good - loved his celebration when he won a scrum, was like he scored in the World Cup final!

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon 26 Nov 2012, 7:20 pm

PR now calling Fotuali'i best SH in the world...

http://www.planetrugby.co.uk/story/0,25883,16024_8285376,00.html

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 26 Nov 2012, 7:40 pm

Who?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 26 Nov 2012, 7:45 pm

Didn't see Ireland game but Sexton must have played well to snatch the 10 spot from Cruden as he was immense

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Post by Driver Mon 26 Nov 2012, 7:57 pm

Samoa and Osprey's scrum half , real good player but not best in the world.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 26 Nov 2012, 8:19 pm

Yea was joking lol

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Post by Driver Mon 26 Nov 2012, 8:22 pm

Doh
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 26 Nov 2012, 8:25 pm

Hard to be sarcastic in words

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Post by Driver Mon 26 Nov 2012, 8:26 pm

Indeed it is , or is it?
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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 26 Nov 2012, 8:48 pm

Feeling in the mood for a deal (although have an interview weds so after tonight might not be on for a few days so won't be able to reply immediately

Guys who could leave

Wyatt Crockett
Jerome Thion
James Gaskell
Chris Henry
Jano Vermaak
Felipe Contepomi
Anthony Faainga

as well as others who would take more persuading to allow to leave.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 26 Nov 2012, 8:51 pm

What interview for Steve?

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Post by Fluxy Mon 26 Nov 2012, 10:45 pm

Alright lads, these are the boys I'm willing to listen to offers on;

Huia Edmonds (Australia)

LH - Ben Daley (Australia)
TH - Carlos Nieto (Italy)
TH - Shaun Knight (England)

LK/BS - Steve Mafi (Tonga)
LK - Mouritz Botha (England)
LK/BS - Samu Manoa (USA)
LK - Ryan Caldwell (Ireland)

BS - Dave Dennis (Australia)
OS - Deon Stegmann (South Africa)
BS - Dewald Potgieter (South Africa)

SH - Mike Blair (Scotland)

FH/FB - Rhys Preistland (Wales)
FH - Stephen Jones (Wales)

IC/OC - Brad Barritt (England)
IC/FH - Dan Bowden (New Zealand)

WG/CE - Matt Banahan (England)
WG - Tom Varndell (England)

Would be looking for similar position replacements, and equally another 8. Others not listed can leave, but would need a bit more in the way replacing!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:18 pm

Saints front row going down like 10 pins.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20509718

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:18 pm

story also talks about Corbs being a replacement for Tonga'uhia.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:25 pm

Jesus man, complete clear out. They battered Welsh in the scrum at weekend too

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:27 pm

Might change PDJ's mind though. Corbs would be a good signing for Saints.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:29 pm

Mujati to PDJ a big step down. Tonga to Corbs a step up....

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:30 pm

I'd agree with that Luke.

Alex Waller should be sufficient back up but not ready to be Saints first choice Loosehead yet.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:33 pm

Class act. I'm not sure Waller would be happy, he's been good this season but guess he'd get plenty of game time during Int windows.

Nothing between PDJ and Mujati this season and most of last, both not been great. Tonga playing well last half a dozen games.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm

Mujati to PDJ a big step down?!?!

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:35 pm

Mujati starts over PDJ in most games, so the guys down at Saints clearly believe so.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:36 pm

They rotate but Mujati prob first choice, certainly not big step down.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:40 pm

Mujati started 7 in AP and PDJ 3 so about right that Mujati shading 1st choice.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm

Just realised you have both players I slated mate, apologies! Laugh

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:46 pm

No drama's. Both haven't been as good as should be this season tbh. PDJ needs a move or to be first choice. Tonga looked well off the pace (unfit even) but has looked sharper the last few weeks.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:47 pm

Haven't seen him of late. Was so good last year.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 27 Nov 2012, 12:55 pm

You see Sale staying up Steve?

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Post by prop_lyd Tue 27 Nov 2012, 1:17 pm

Ha lovely little grubber from Census for Samoa's first try....proving front rowers can kick!
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 27 Nov 2012, 6:53 pm

Lawes in the matchday 23.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 27 Nov 2012, 7:23 pm

I simply don't know Pooly.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 27 Nov 2012, 8:23 pm

I thought it was just a blip but that table was hard to look at on Sunday and Welsh keep picking up points.

Good to see Lawes back, give up some impact off the bench

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Post by stnick88 Tue 27 Nov 2012, 9:07 pm

Welsh v irIsh is a huge game Saturday. Thankfully we have a few players back. Who would u rather win that steve?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 27 Nov 2012, 9:15 pm

Anybody squad tweaking? Not much dealing going down lately

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Post by Fluxy Tue 27 Nov 2012, 9:17 pm

I am... just everyone seems too happy with their squads Sad

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Post by prop_lyd Tue 27 Nov 2012, 9:22 pm

I'm trying to a little!! But not the backrow.
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 27 Nov 2012, 9:23 pm

Always up for negotiations.

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Post by Driver Tue 27 Nov 2012, 9:44 pm

Im up for a deal.
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Post by dammit_chris Tue 27 Nov 2012, 11:28 pm

Lawes been kept in the England squad - and Botha released! Team is slowly, slowly taking shape now.

Imagine it will be exactly same team, but with Farrell at 10 and then Burns on the bench with Lawes replacing Botha.

Lancaster really should have given Burns a game against Fiji - bet he's regretting not doing that now!

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Wed 28 Nov 2012, 5:43 pm

IRB player if the year...McCaw, Carter, Michalak and ...... Farrell?????

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 28 Nov 2012, 5:48 pm

Farrell?!?! Do these people watch rugby??

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Post by prop_lyd Wed 28 Nov 2012, 6:08 pm

I put on the irb thread the selectors: includes greenwood, quinnell etc!!
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Post by dammit_chris Wed 28 Nov 2012, 6:10 pm

To be fair Farrell was exceptional in the last 6Nations, particularly the games against Wales and Ireland, since then he's gone off the boil, but must be so difficult to get any consistency when you don't really have a position at Sarries and then asked to play at 10 for your country.

Good article in the Telegraph about the fly half issue for England, be interested to see what Burns is like at this level - some of his play reminds me very much of Carlos Spencer, but he seems to have a bit more tactical awareness about him in terms of kicking etc. Gloucester certainly looking on the up again.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 28 Nov 2012, 6:20 pm

Farrell kicked his goals and made his tackles but was far from exceptional in the 6N, I'm completely at a loss at that decision.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 28 Nov 2012, 6:29 pm

Michalak is a joke too, straight shoot out between McCaw & Carter who have both been on a different level this season.

Where are Read, Habana, JP, Whitelock, JD?!?!

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Post by Driver Wed 28 Nov 2012, 6:31 pm

Thought Lobbe would of got a look in , been immense so far.
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Wed 28 Nov 2012, 6:48 pm

Lobbe, Dagg, Fofana, Read and Whitelocck must be a tad annoyed....

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 28 Nov 2012, 6:51 pm

I wouldnt have had Farrell on the list at all, but think he gets a lot of unjust criticism on here - got a lot of talent, never going to be the type to make 30 metre breaks, dazzle people with his flair, but really solid and reliable.

Id have had Halfpenny in the list - think he's been one of the best players in the NH and even if Wales have been performing badly he still puts in a big performance.

Have been some good players for the smaller teams too - both Tongan props have been great (and to beat Scotland in Scotland!) Samoa, think George Pisi has been awesome each time he's put on the blue shirt.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 28 Nov 2012, 6:54 pm

It's not that he doesn't make 30m breaks, Sexton doesn't really do that either. It's his inability to pass and the way he kicks away most of his possession that bugs me. The worst ever short listed player imo

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 28 Nov 2012, 7:06 pm

I wouldn't have Halfpenny in that list, possibly Kearney.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 28 Nov 2012, 7:10 pm

McCaw wins it. Carter not close this year. Farrell a joke Michalak hasn't ben good for whole year.

Kieran Read and Nathan Sharpe my two nominations or perhaps Jonny Sexton

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