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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 09 Nov 2012, 9:19 am

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Saracens move off the bottom of the table after picking up a losing bonus point against Gloucester.

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2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 - Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish






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7 Homepage - Page 13 12Sale Sharks10 5 0 5 252 242 +10 27 25 1 5 26
8 Homepage - Page 13 1Bath Rugby1040 6 229 245 -16 21 27 0 5 21
9 Homepage - Page 13 50London Welsh10 3 1 6 224 232 -8 22 22 0 6 20
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12 Homepage - Page 13 57Worcester Warriors1021 7 216 257 -41 19 27 0 3 13






Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 25 Nov 2012, 12:10 pm

still a huge issue with carriers in the england pack, specifically the back 5 of the scrum. In ideal world we have space for only Wood or Robshaw with a big unit at 6, ideally someone better than Haskell.

Fearns the answer for me but needs to be playing better for Bath. Steffon won't get a look in until Eng policy changes or he returns to England which seems unlikely unless his international ambitions are huge.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 25 Nov 2012, 12:12 pm

Wood did nothing yesterday. Lawes at 6 vs ABs...?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 25 Nov 2012, 12:15 pm

Nope. Wood probably our best flanker, shouldn't be dropped due to one bad game. Whilst not seeing the game the Telegraph gave him a 7 and pete gave him a 6, which suggests he might not have been that bad.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 25 Nov 2012, 12:16 pm

I'm a big fan of Foden playing at 15, he offers a lot as a strike runner (if only England blood y made more of it like they do with Saints) and he's got to be up there as the best defensive 15 too.

For me you need out and out finishers on the wing, Ashton's game is getting stifled by the Barritt/Tuilagi combination and Flood isnt attacking enough to make up for it.

Quite amazed at how quickly Launchbury has come on now, I thought he would make it as an international, but bit of a rapid rise for him. Would like to see him partner Lawes in the engine room.

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Post by stnick88 Sun 25 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm

This could be the best and closest season yet. Liking how close it is at both
Top and bottom makes for great games each week.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 25 Nov 2012, 12:42 pm

Agree nick, there seems to be something on every fixture now and a couple of good results can catapult you right up the table.
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Post by prop_lyd Sun 25 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Agree nick, there seems to be something on every fixture now and a couple of good results can catapult you right up the table.

Exactly guys so look out Luke: me and Driver are coming for you Wink
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Post by Driver Sun 25 Nov 2012, 12:50 pm

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 25 Nov 2012, 12:54 pm

boxing

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 25 Nov 2012, 12:59 pm

Saracens and Warriors join forces to take out Welford Road!!
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Post by Driver Sun 25 Nov 2012, 1:06 pm

Wonder what our team would look like?

1.Beast
2.Botha
3.Big Ben
4.Van Der Merwe
5.Williams
6.Godzilla
7.Rennie
8.JVN

9.Doussain
10.FTD
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13.McCabe
14.Malzieu
15.Ben Smith
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 25 Nov 2012, 1:09 pm

See Flood is a doubt for AB game. Not the game to put Burns into for me. Guess Farrell it is.... Shocked

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Post by Driver Sun 25 Nov 2012, 1:15 pm

Could see Goode covering 10 , Faz is not inspiring or the way to beat the All Blacks at 10.

Just watched Hatton fight , poor bloke is well past it. Should of stayed retired.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 25 Nov 2012, 1:16 pm

Wood was just ok, can't remember he doing much really. He was the weakest part of the backrow but I'd stick with him.

Fearns not Int class for me, seen little to suggest he's worth the step up.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 25 Nov 2012, 1:29 pm

Amlin tables are finally up to date. Long way to go yet, but if the tables stayed as they are now after the final round the quarter finals would look like this...

Heineken Cup

Northampton Saints vs. Ulster
Harlequins vs. Toulon
ASM Clermont Auvergne vs. Gloucester
Leicester Tigers vs. Toulouse


Amlin Cup

Perpignan vs. Biarritz Olympique
London Welsh vs. Munster
Sale Sharks vs. Leinster
London Wasps vs. Bath

Certainly a few more teams from outside of this game in there than we've had in previous years.
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 25 Nov 2012, 1:32 pm

We're never going to beat the AB's, so why not try and play good rugby, and go for it?

1. Corbs
2. Youngs
3. Cole
4. Launchbury
5. Parling
6. Lawes
7. Robshaw
8. Morgan

09. Care
10. Burns
11. Wade
12. Tuilagi
13. JJ
14. Ashton
15. Goode

Phsical pack, pacey backline with a bashing 12 and creative 10.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 25 Nov 2012, 1:41 pm

I'd go for that (Except with Lawes no where near the 6 shirt)

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Post by Driver Sun 25 Nov 2012, 1:49 pm

I'd keep Wood at 6 , think he's a class act.

Think i swapped him for Adam Balding on this game Doh
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Post by dammit_chris Sun 25 Nov 2012, 1:58 pm

Wouldnt give Wade a debut v ABs - bring him in at the 6Nations, let him develop more at Wasps until then and test him out more in the wet weather.

He's got to get involved with England, as his attacking play would bring so much to England - would try him out against the smaller teams first, like Italy and Wales (sorry prop).

Would like a Wade, Ashton and Foden back three - be very lucky if a manager in this game had that option Smile

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 25 Nov 2012, 2:00 pm

Back row is an issue for England. I think Wood is excellent and could develop well, but the players we are selecting at present don't work well as a unit, are not abrasive enough and nor are they clever enough. Morgan was the only effective carrier yesterday.

Wood and Robshaw both tackle their hearts out and are effectively defensive flankers (a la Dan Lydiate). The balance is wrong, and it is part of the reason why we do not carry much attacking threat at the moment.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 25 Nov 2012, 2:05 pm

Pack went well for me. Robshaw done the hard yards etc. It's their first outing and I thought it looked promising tbh

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 25 Nov 2012, 2:08 pm

Robshaw's carrying lacks dynamism for me Pooly. Often he takes the ball standing still rather than coming onto with any pace and this makes him easy for opposition forwards to knock back. That is potentially a gameplan issue rather than an individual one, but I think Robshaw is trying to be everything to everybody out there at the moment and it is beginning to effect his game, as I don't think he was particularly effective at any facet of play yesterday.
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 25 Nov 2012, 2:10 pm

Thought pack was decent too, just like a bit more dynamism hence my inclusion of Lawes.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 25 Nov 2012, 2:35 pm

Yea he was just ok, I agree he seems to trying too hard.

I think it's a tactic rather than running onto the ball, he's not the kind of player that makes outside breaks. He gets static ball and makes a few yards and presents. I can't recall Wood carrying at all, did I miss it?

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 25 Nov 2012, 2:37 pm

Sensational from Wade.

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 25 Nov 2012, 3:06 pm

Watching the Ireland game, man this Gilroy's impressive!!
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 25 Nov 2012, 3:10 pm

Gilroy a fine player. Fancy him for the Lions the form he is in and if he keeps progressing. Scintillating in attack and not seen any real weaknesses as yet

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 25 Nov 2012, 3:11 pm

He's got lovely feet, not really first choice at Ulster though yet from what I've seen.

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 25 Nov 2012, 3:12 pm

Just hit's the angle's right, man 45mins in and Argentina just don't seem bothered! Think Zebo is a little wasted at full-back.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 25 Nov 2012, 3:19 pm

I think he is probably ahead of Trimble in the pecking order as we stand.

Some back 3 with Bowe and Payne

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Post by Driver Sun 25 Nov 2012, 3:43 pm

Healy is such a arse about refs.
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Post by dammit_chris Sun 25 Nov 2012, 3:45 pm

Throwing this one out there - Ben Botica to solve England's issues at 12? Every time I watch him for Quins he looks absolute class.

Just bought a copy of The Times and remember why I stopped reading it. Stephen Jones.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 25 Nov 2012, 3:49 pm

Yea it has a good balance Steve, Payne has been on another level this season.

I hope not Chris, could do without another bloody NZ'er! (Hartley, Waldroum, Flutey etc)

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Post by Driver Sun 25 Nov 2012, 3:51 pm

He wants to play 10 though.
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Post by Fluxy Sun 25 Nov 2012, 3:51 pm

RE; the balance of the England team earlier, I posted this team below on the other game. And I'm not saying that this is the final answer or resolution, but it is the theory I reckon that the team needs to move towards.

1. Marler/Corbs
2. T Youngs
3. D Cole
4. Launchberry
5. Deacon
6. Lawes/Wood/Haskell/Croft
7. Robshaw
8. Morgan/Haskell

9. Youngs/Care
10. Flood
11. Foden
12. Tuilagi
13. A Goode
14. Ashton
15. M Brown

In my mind this team ups the amount of guys willing to take the ball up and carry, but also allow some players to attack out wide. It just feels like we are trying to follow some other model of what our team should be and the thing with that is if you're always following someone you're going to be second best.

In regards to offers boys, time will be tight this week for me but I'll be up for some changes to my squad, thanks to Arry for building a decent squad though!

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 25 Nov 2012, 4:08 pm

Not sure how it works with Botica, is his mum English or something? Or is it because his dad lived in England for so many years and that is where he was brought up?

Will be absolutely gutted if Wasps lose this one - Leicester shouldn't be anywhere near us at the moment! Daly looking very good ball in hand and Varndell has to be the best finisher around at the moment!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 25 Nov 2012, 7:54 pm

From RFU twitter

Tom Biggs, Freddie Burns and Nick Wood are among 34 players reporting to Pennyhill this evening to prepare for New Zealand next Sat.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 25 Nov 2012, 8:06 pm

Glad Burns is there. Biggs over Wade/Varndell...?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 25 Nov 2012, 8:35 pm

I'm a big Biggs fan. Wade considered too young I presume. Varndell has too many floors to be an international but a top AP wing and even in this game he can do a job in right conditions.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 25 Nov 2012, 9:33 pm

Tom Biggs, seriously? What will he ever bring to England long term? Not sure about that. He's never really impressed me that much, but at least it isnt Banahan!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 26 Nov 2012, 10:14 am

Juan Smith has fully recovered!!! (Well maybe....)

Toying between signing for Cheetahs, Bayonne or Bath apparently. Imagine a flank combo of Smith & Louw in the AP!

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Cheetahs-fighting-to-keep-Juan-20121118

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 26 Nov 2012, 1:15 pm

Flood won't make NZ, Burns to be in the 23.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 26 Nov 2012, 1:24 pm

Good, doubt he'll start but at least he'll get on the field.

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 26 Nov 2012, 2:50 pm

Players available at the moment.

PR Ryan Grant (Scotland) (1)
PR Sekope Kepu (Australia) (3)
LK Bradley Davies (Wales)
LK Alun Wyn Jones (Wales)
BS/OS Jake Abbott (E)
FH/FB Danny Cipriani (E)
CE Ashley Beck (Wales)
CE Jean de Villiers (South Africa)
FB Niall Morris (Ireland)

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 26 Nov 2012, 5:22 pm

Tonga'uhia set to join Metro and PDJ set to leave saints as well

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 26 Nov 2012, 5:48 pm

Bloody hell, big changes

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 26 Nov 2012, 5:50 pm

PDJ to Wasps isnt he? HEard that a few weeks ago, but wasnt sure.

Wasps desperate need of a new front row - rest of the team is very good now, but was impressed by Swainston

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 26 Nov 2012, 5:54 pm

I had Swainston for so long in this game waiting for him to get a chance and come good, and now have lost him when I split squads with Driver!
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 26 Nov 2012, 5:55 pm

Be a great signing for Wasps, he needs to be top man at club

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Post by Driver Mon 26 Nov 2012, 6:03 pm

Bloody rain man! Soaked from head downwards!

In the mean time do we think Chris Robshaw will still be a England starter come the 6N?

I really hope he is but at the same time want Tom Wood , James Haskell and Steffon Armitage in the side chin
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