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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 09 Nov 2012, 9:19 am

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Saracens move off the bottom of the table after picking up a losing bonus point against Gloucester.

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2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 30 Nov 2012, 8:31 pm

Have to keep posting the links

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Post by stnick88 Fri 30 Nov 2012, 8:38 pm

Not the start Mitchell would of hoped for

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 30 Nov 2012, 8:55 pm

Jesus it is foggy!

Saints battering Sale scrum

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Post by Guest Fri 30 Nov 2012, 9:23 pm

Just back from work just putting on. It's not difficult battering their scrum.

When Wood came on last week they went to pieces.

Hope sale stay up.proper club and proper rugby people

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Post by Guest Fri 30 Nov 2012, 9:25 pm

Jeez this is foggy will abort.how are espn not just cutting their losses and just going to the studio. Thank god hartley is back massive miss fOr England.(sorry Pooly!)

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Post by Guest Fri 30 Nov 2012, 9:30 pm

Saints make front row subs like Haywood fr Hartley and scrum gets demolished.


Saints will back up not great. Losing tiny and mujati is insane.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 30 Nov 2012, 9:38 pm

He still pops up every other scrum, such poor technique. Don't rate him all, such a fanny of a carrier too.

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Post by stnick88 Fri 30 Nov 2012, 9:43 pm

Agree about the scrum popping but he is an ok carrier. GOod darts too.

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 30 Nov 2012, 9:43 pm

To be fair having a guy, bite you, headbutt you repeatedly and land several punches to your head will knock you for 6. He got a red card and then tried to accuse me of gouging.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 30 Nov 2012, 9:44 pm

Yea he has a great throw, dire carrier.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 30 Nov 2012, 9:55 pm

Saints scrum always so much better with Hartley in it. He's actually playing a lot, lot better this season - didnt play his best last year by a long shot, but every time I've seen him he's been excellent. By far the best no2 for England.

Agreed with a lot of the criticism of him last year, but he seems to have lost some of his chub and has come back so much better for it.

Impressed again by Calum Clark, thought it would take him a lot longer to get back into the swing of things.

Saints just need a top class fly half and they'd be such a better team - wonder who they've got lined up to replace Tiny and Mujati though, will have a massive impact on them next year

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Post by Guest Fri 30 Nov 2012, 9:56 pm

prop_lyd wrote:To be fair having a guy, bite you, headbutt you repeatedly and land several punches to your head will knock you for 6. He got a red card and then tried to accuse me of gouging.


Who did you play ?

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 30 Nov 2012, 10:01 pm

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 30 Nov 2012, 10:01 pm

"By far the best no2 for England"

He's not imo, he's not even the best.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 30 Nov 2012, 10:03 pm

For me he is the best by a long, long chalk

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 30 Nov 2012, 10:07 pm

Think you might be in a minority of one Pooly. Whistle Wink
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 30 Nov 2012, 10:14 pm

Don't see it, think he's average. Not Int class anyway

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 30 Nov 2012, 10:25 pm

Personally really rate him, think he's a great player and has been playing very well this year - brings a lot of good qualities to a team, obviously not same type of player as the SA hooker, but he's in a league of his own at the minute.

Hartley must be a pain in the backside to play against.

Really can't see any other English hooker being close to him - say with Flood you kind of have Farrell and now Burns who could start for England and it wouldnt make a huge difference, I don't think there is another hooker who you could say the same with about Hartley - a lot of youngsters with potential to be international players, but nothing more than potential just yet.

Could see him Cole and Corbs forming a great front row for years to come though - throw in Lawes, Launchbury, Wood and Morgan and we could have such a great pack by 2015.

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Post by Guest Fri 30 Nov 2012, 10:28 pm

Hartley will be lions 2 top player end of for me.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 30 Nov 2012, 10:33 pm

Hartley be lucky to tour, can't carry people on a Lions tour.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 30 Nov 2012, 10:49 pm

You can't carry players.

But Hartley isn't a player who needs to be carried. Very unlucky not to be England captain I thought when Robshaw announced.

Hartley for me probably the best hooker in the Isles. Best on his level but would take Hartley if forced to pick I think.

Sa have 3 better hookers than most countries chris!

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Post by Guest Fri 30 Nov 2012, 10:57 pm

Sa have maybe 5 hookers better than most. Strauss would get in any other side in world as would brits.

Fourie, liebenberg also class.


Hartley world class for me. Best in NH with Best who had one massive season but was generally second choice before that. Neil best had one season when he was best 6 in world Also

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Post by Guest Fri 30 Nov 2012, 11:12 pm

Watching rugby club. Barnes just said something I agree with and that is youngs basics worry him. So true. His pass and kicking nowhere near good enough.


Fitzpatrick best pundit also makes a great point about Robshaws captaincy in that he has to learn. Fitzy had 40 caps before captain. Robshaw had one or two. If you don't learn from his howlers this series will never learn.

He also pointed out that Robshaw has no other leaders around him which is another reason harley is so key.

Mccaw and carter have more caps than our side.


Off to game tomorrow and England are 8-1 to win.

Barnes calls Barritt a flanker masquerading as a centre lol

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 01 Dec 2012, 8:19 am

Hartley seems to have went up in people's opinions whilst been injured, they must have forgot how average he is.

Happens a lot on main boards with people always crying out for the players not involved or injured, then they come back and they start knocking them and crying out for somebody else!

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 01 Dec 2012, 11:35 am

Lads, just quick with my squad...is it simply the a.i's disrupting my backrow that is damaging me?
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 01 Dec 2012, 11:46 am

Pretty much mate. You've been missing nearly everyone of your backrowers during the AIs.

Kaino holds no rating as he hasnt played since the world cup so you were kind of a man down this week. Get the boys back for the next league game and you will be fine

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 01 Dec 2012, 11:54 am

Ok cool! Yeah they'll be eased back during L.V and ready to go for the prem games!!
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sat 01 Dec 2012, 12:27 pm

Foreigns open tomorrow then....

Who are people going for?

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 01 Dec 2012, 1:09 pm

I'd love to pick up Freddie Michalek but a bit out of my price range at the moment. Crying or Very sad

How long is the window open for?

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 01 Dec 2012, 2:23 pm

Think it's a week sirj
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 01 Dec 2012, 3:27 pm

Jesus......

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 01 Dec 2012, 3:50 pm

Has Farrell had his weetabix this morning?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 01 Dec 2012, 4:20 pm

1-15 immense!!!! Proud to be an England fan

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Post by Driver Sat 01 Dec 2012, 4:31 pm

S hit the bed!
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Post by prop_lyd Sat 01 Dec 2012, 4:35 pm

Congrats england, heartache for wales, hope h.p's ok
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 01 Dec 2012, 5:11 pm

Must be gutted Prop, can't believe they threw that one.

I can't calm down, even considering watching the women's game! Fantastic pack performance, Farrell was dire first 20 then totally grew into game, best game I've ever seen him have and credit where credits due.

So good having an England game and not wanting to lay into players.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sat 01 Dec 2012, 5:23 pm

Watching it now. 25 mins in.

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 01 Dec 2012, 5:24 pm

I know, twice in a row vs Oz we've kicked it back to them with 1 min to go!!

Looking forward to watching the England game...how'd Morgan and Burns do?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 01 Dec 2012, 5:27 pm

Luke, hopefully that performance from Tom Youngs might change people's opinions a little, lad was immense.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sat 01 Dec 2012, 5:29 pm

Him and launchberry given us so much more in the loose.
Mates down the pub all rate him so highly. Only on here seen people slate him. Sure someone was slating his scrummaging recently too. Can only be some sort of vendetta against him?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 01 Dec 2012, 5:31 pm

I really rate him, only one game but him & Launchbury have nailed places imo

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sat 01 Dec 2012, 6:04 pm

Tiulagi for Ashton's try....wow.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sat 01 Dec 2012, 6:08 pm

Ha ha carters defence.

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 01 Dec 2012, 6:10 pm

Does that swallow dive really pee anyone else off?!
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sat 01 Dec 2012, 6:17 pm

Nope Very Happy

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 01 Dec 2012, 6:23 pm

I am massively against showboating and am waiting for the time that he either knocks it on or get's clobbered for it!

Glad to hear Youngs did well, I'm with Pooly on the Hartley thing.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 01 Dec 2012, 6:27 pm

Get in Prop!!! Where were you last night, I get slated for thinking Hartley is average Very Happy

The day Ashton messes up it'll annoy me

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 01 Dec 2012, 6:31 pm

I was reading it from a distance!! It is the way he consistently pops up from the scrum that i don't like, if you're a front rower your aim is to stay down and march forward, if you pop up is dismantles the effort!
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Post by dammit_chris Sat 01 Dec 2012, 6:51 pm

A Welsh person against Hartley - who'd have thought lol.

Missed the game as was talking at a conference - got out early and not a single pub in Regents Park area was showing the rugby! Got home and bloody forgot to sky + it. Of all the games to miss and not record!

Am gutted.

Sounds like Launchbury played well - I really like him as a player, he really gives the whole pack a tempo. When he got injured last year for Wasps we struggled so badly in the pack and it was because of what Launchbury brought to the game.

Youngs (both) sounded as they played very well - I do really like Tom Youngs, just prefer Hartley but what an awesome player Youngs would be to bring on after 55minutes.

Truly remarkable that he's gone from being a good club 12 to an international no2 in what 24months? Doubt anyone else has ever done that before.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sat 01 Dec 2012, 6:55 pm

Sure they normally do a repeat tomorrow Chris - not one to miss.

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