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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 09 Nov 2012, 9:19 am

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Saracens move off the bottom of the table after picking up a losing bonus point against Gloucester.

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2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 - Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish






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12 Homepage - Page 18 57Worcester Warriors1021 7 216 257 -41 19 27 0 3 13






Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Guest Sun 02 Dec 2012, 4:49 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Really like Brown, hard runner. Step up defensively to Sharples for example.


Watching the game on tv now and at 46 minutes Jane goes throug brown like he is not there. Defence not good enough on wing. Totally different defending on Wing. Far worse than the Sharples missed tackle. Brown does not get near him.

For me if he is to play Wing for England he needs to play there for club

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Post by Guest Sun 02 Dec 2012, 4:53 pm

Misses another tackle on 49 minutes also. It was really evident in the stadium yesterday.


Wonder If we could see foden Wing and brown Fb when foden fit?

Give us a great footballing back 3 and pace

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Post by Driver Sun 02 Dec 2012, 4:57 pm

But what has Goode done wrong?
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 02 Dec 2012, 4:59 pm

That's what happened in the Summer.

Think Foden is a better player than Goode so would fit in well with Ashton and Brown.

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Post by Guest Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:01 pm

Goode done nothing wrong and a good sub.
I like a strike runner at 15 and pace in my back 3. May be a horses for courses selection with them

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:02 pm

Be hard to displace Goode from FB.

Sharples long way from Int standard all round, Jane would have hammered him. Still young though, he'll get there.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:03 pm

Can't see any starting players losing place after that performance

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:06 pm

Sunday Times form XV in the world...

Halfpenny, cummins, Davies, Mermoz, Savea, Sexton, Fotuali'i, Woodcock, Strauss, Johnston, Etzebeth, Sharpe, Nyanga, F-Lobbe, Qera

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:08 pm

Awful team that, hardly any form in it!!

Carter has been quality bar England game, he should have 10 shirt nailed

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Post by Guest Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:10 pm

Pack about right except for woodcock. Qera only played 1 international game in autumn so weird selection although his glos form is sensational at moment

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:12 pm

And he played that game at No8 Wink

Likes of Louw, Vermeulen, Read, McCaw done much more.

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Post by Guest Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:13 pm

Great time to bring on burns. Such a talent and settled instantly. 21 point cushion helped

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Post by Guest Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:14 pm

Lobbe been immense to be fair. Nyanga great in autumn series. It's more a form team off AI's I think

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:18 pm

That's exactly what it is. Which makes Qera's inclusion more strange.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:21 pm

Michael Hooper unlucky to miss out from my team.

Who has been playing better than Woodcock Matt?? He has been brilliant!

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Post by Guest Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:25 pm

In the AI's Luke ? French lad been great. Corbs last 2 weeks. Woodcock one of best 1s in world but for a form team of AI's would not have picked him.


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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:31 pm

In the AIs Qwra played 1 game, therefore can't see how he can make best team. Lack of top 1s around - Beast, Jenkins not playing. Healy did ok. As did woodcock. New French lad in with a shout.

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Post by Guest Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:47 pm

Hari back and scored on weekend !

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Post by Guest Sun 02 Dec 2012, 5:49 pm

Qera a bizarre choice. Like you said hopper Nyanga etc all better and actually played in the Ai's

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Post by Guest Sun 02 Dec 2012, 6:01 pm

Launchbury stats impressive http://www.espnscrum.com/new-zealand-tour-2012/rugby/match/153977.html

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 02 Dec 2012, 6:47 pm

Launchbury the find of the AIs for England - huge fan favourite at Wasps, wouldnt be surprised if a few more Wasps youngsters start banging on the door for England in the near future.

Elliot Daly is playing some fantastic rugby at the moment, scored a blinder yesterday against Exeter.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 02 Dec 2012, 6:54 pm

Launchbury quality, I was unsure on him but totally wrong

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 02 Dec 2012, 7:04 pm

I knew he had some potential but never in a million years that he'd be an international and play as well as he has done.

Lancaster was pretty bold in his selection with him - seems like we are slowly stopping players like Botha and Dowson from playing, which I think is a really good move forward.


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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun 02 Dec 2012, 7:07 pm

If your doing a team of the AIs Picamoles has to be in there was immense for France. Michalek the form flyhalf as well. Was magnificent against the Argies and Aussies.

When you look back at the game Tuilagis performance looks better and better. For all the work the pack put in those 10 minutes in the 2nd half he was just on another level and won us that game

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 02 Dec 2012, 7:23 pm

Well what a turn up that was yesterday. I swear Stuart Lancaster must listen to my podcast. England smashed into the collisions with intensity and blasted beyond the ball at the breakdown freeing it up quickly.

Some massive positives from England there, but hopefully people do not get carried away. There were issues in the previous two games that we have to show have been really addressed by producing that sort of performance consistently.

Launchbury looks about 12, by my word the boy has got a bit about him. he could well go on and be an absolute star for England. Parling and him together look as if they just work as a pair. You are never sure of the reason when two players just click as a unit, but they seem to have done, which is great for England.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 02 Dec 2012, 7:39 pm

Sale on at London Welsh...

Werner Kruger
Rob Simmons
Butch James
Gavin Henson
Andrew Trimble
Luke Fitzgerald
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Can all go, not looking for the world for them.

Kevin McLaughlin
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Can go , but would need a decent deal.
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Post by Guest Sun 02 Dec 2012, 7:47 pm

Who do we think will be the big transfer target in the foreigns?


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Post by Fluxy Sun 02 Dec 2012, 8:38 pm

Sorry for not predicting guys, I shouldn't be so busy for a while now!

Glad to get a LBP, got a few Amlin games to try and bed in a new team.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 02 Dec 2012, 9:36 pm

No worries fluxy, I know you are busy right now, and we're just pleased to have you on board so we are playing with a full set of managers.
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Post by Driver Sun 02 Dec 2012, 9:44 pm

Agree with Pete.

After 1 week Flux is looking a corker of an addition.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 02 Dec 2012, 11:55 pm

Welsh beating Irish, nasty.

Homer wearing a scrum cap to preserve those good looks of his....

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Post by stnick88 Mon 03 Dec 2012, 8:44 am

two team scrap now, irish and sale. one thing in our favour is that we have worcester, sale, welsh and wasps all to come at home after xmas.

did you see the red card pooly? joke of a decision was a perfectly legal tackle. always gonna be a struggle with 14 men.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 03 Dec 2012, 8:45 am

Missed it Nick.

Seen the Banahan one which at very most a yellow, similar with Deacon. Some shocking reffing this weekend.

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Post by stnick88 Mon 03 Dec 2012, 8:54 am

i dont think banahan one was malicious. went in hard and just caught him a bit.

http://www.rugbynetwork.net/boards/read/s97.htm?99,13673871

watch the clips on that link, hoff gets a red and theres which is the same doesnt even give away a penalty.

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Post by Guest Mon 03 Dec 2012, 11:08 am

Most of the papers said Hoff red card was a definite red


Will watch that clip when I am on a computer.


He has a reputation which counts against him unfortunately

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Post by stnick88 Mon 03 Dec 2012, 11:11 am

never a red matt.

even welsh supporters said it wasnt

JP doyle had a stinker for both sides, kept getting in the way and just blowing his whistle willy nilly.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 03 Dec 2012, 11:27 am

Never in a million years a red card.
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Post by dammit_chris Mon 03 Dec 2012, 12:29 pm

So tempted to sign Israel Foloa who is meant to be signing for the Waratahs - got him when the game first started as he was meant to be signing for a union club.

Such a good league player - bit of a gamble though!

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Post by stnick88 Mon 03 Dec 2012, 12:57 pm

i remember you desperately trying to flog him to everybody claiming he was the dogs but no-one was having it!

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 03 Dec 2012, 2:11 pm

yeah the bu gger signed a deal with a union club about 3 years ago and then got offered a much bigger one to play AFL I think. A beast of a player. Not sure how old he is now though. Though I might have a few too many back three players!

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Post by Guest Mon 03 Dec 2012, 2:17 pm

Not seen the red card but times and one other paper I read said it was nasty. Will watch and let you know. Jp Doyle is not great at ruck time that's for sure

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 03 Dec 2012, 6:14 pm

Nice World Cup group. Have ehard we will play Wales at Millenium because wales play all their group games there as part of their agreement for voting for England to host. That would make it a tough one.

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Post by prop_lyd Mon 03 Dec 2012, 7:05 pm

Watched the red cards: Irish one-yellow card-2 week ban maybe after citing.

Bath: Louw-can't really see an elbow. Banahan-yellow.
Tigers: Deacon-Was a blatant punch which technically is a red but...under circumstances and blood boiling over I'd say yellow again.
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 03 Dec 2012, 7:14 pm

Seen the Hoff tackle. Personally see nothing wrong with it. Theres no lifting motion at all. Its just such a hard hit the player is knocked back of his feet. Reffed by reputation I think

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 03 Dec 2012, 7:16 pm

Spot on SJE. Utter nonsense red card.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 03 Dec 2012, 7:16 pm

Anyone about for some deals?

I am looking for a 12, a back three player, and always looking for options in the pack.
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Post by CJB Mon 03 Dec 2012, 7:32 pm

We can have a try Pete, never seem to get anywhere though

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Post by Guest Mon 03 Dec 2012, 8:21 pm

Seen myself definitely no red. Are Irish appealing

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Post by Guest Mon 03 Dec 2012, 8:26 pm

Looking to sell some of
My squad players including some English for cash. Let
Me know if interested.

Players like murray, Percival balshaw, Donald and a few others all available for cash.

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Post by prop_lyd Mon 03 Dec 2012, 8:49 pm

Could be in for a good eq back matt
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