England v Aus - KO 14:30 Sat 17th NOV at HQ - Match Thread/Build Up etc....

[HERSH]

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Game 1: Eng v Fiji
Game 2: Eng v Aus
Game 3: Eng v SA
Game 4: Eng v NZ

England team to face Australia:

Alex Goode
Chris Ashton
Manusamoa Tuilagi
Brad Barritt
Charlie Sharples
Toby Flood
Danny Care
Joe Marler
Tom Youngs,
Dan Cole
Tom Palmer
Geoff Parling
Tom Johnson,
Chris Robshaw
Thomas Waldrom
Replacements: David Paice
David Wilson
Mako Vunipola
Joe Launchbury
Tom Wood
Ben Youngs
Owen Farrell
Mike Brown

[DaveM]

I don't remember yellows against SA I just remember us picking up injuries and SA being far too physical for us - it was a brutal dsiplay.

And I think Owens awarded two scrum penalty tries to England in the game they lost to Aus a couple of years back (the game before we beat them).

[tatterd]

sharples ahead of the kicker for that up and under

[Pal Joey]

Barnes should have flung it out wide.

[tatterd]

Aus scrum not anywhere near as bad as people been making out

[tatterd]

This game is being played at about 10x the speed of the Wales attack last night!

[nathan]

Should of been a pen to England, straight of his feet

[Pal Joey]

Much better game to watch so far. Wallabies have made more yards in the first 20 mins of this match than all of last week's match. England slow to start by comparison.

[nathan]

Aus scrum not anywhere near as bad as people been making out

To be honest I don't think it was ever going to be. Media always hype it up before these teams match up and never seems to always happen.

[nathan]

Much better game to watch so far. Wallabies have made more yards in the first 20 mins of this match than all of last week's match. England slow to start by comparison.

First 10 I would agree, but England have started to play better now.

[Geordie]

I think we expected Aus to come out the blocks fired up...

[nathan]

We're still slow getting to the breakdown though

[nathan]

Didn't see much wrong with that, he was on his feet?

[Geordie]

Danny Care is playing well.....

[nathan]

Think this is a try

[nathan]

Wasn't number 4 jumping straight of his feet?

[Full Credit]

I don't know why we persist with Tatafu... he drops so much pill, can't throw straight and tackles with his head.

[nathan]

Clear block by aus!??

[Pot Hale]

And Australia get another try in 2012.

[nathan]

We'll, lazy running back

[Pal Joey]

Much better game to watch so far. Wallabies have made more yards in the first 20 mins of this match than all of last week's match. England slow to start by comparison.

First 10 I would agree, but England have started to play better now.

Actually, I initially wrote "12" then edited it.

Cummins scores in the corner. Finally. A friggin' try!

[tatterd]

what a wonderful score. Makes me weep for Wales when you see how beautiful the game is when it's played with pace and accuracy

[nathan]

Marker struggling in this game.

[mbernz]

P-ss poor defence there, didn't come up in any sort of organised line out wide after a dodgy box kick. Aussies deserve the lead.

[thebluesmancometh]

Double movement tuilagi

[nathan]

Double movement tuilagi

Rubbish!

[BamBam]

Yes Manu!

[thebluesmancometh]

But its double movement, he has no momentum keeping him going, uses his knee to crawl and place the ball.

Poor decision and lucky Manu couldve made that so much easier by using the man outside him.

[Pal Joey]

A molecule of ball on a molecule of paint.

[nathan]

But its double movement, he has no momentum keeping him going, uses his knee to crawl and place the ball.

Poor decision and lucky Manu couldve made that so much easier by using the man outside him.

Again, rubbish. He never stopped moving.

[tatterd]

oooh lucky there england. 2 close TMO calls. England's given, Aus not

[mbernz]

That had to be a score after turning down the points in front of the posts. Looked like he scraped the grounding to me, but could have gone either way. Bit lucky, but well done.

[thebluesmancometh]

Then why does he use his knee to get back up and thrust for the line if he never stops moving?

Once tackled you place the ball or offload, place it back or forward, the use of the knee and lunge is double movement IMHO.

But like I said he shouldve given it for a far less risky score anyway

[tatterd]

Really stupid penalty to give away by Aus BTW, to give the tap and go chance. Didn't need to be done. Fair play to England though took the opportunity

[EnglishReign]

Should've passed it

[RogerLewis]

JD2 and Tuilagi for lions centres.

[nathan]

Then why does he use his knee to get back up and thrust for the line if he never stops moving?

Once tackled you place the ball or offload, place it back or forward, the use of the knee and lunge is double movement IMHO.

But like I said he shouldve given it for a far less risky score anyway

Double movement means he would of had to stop moving... he didn't stop moving. Its as simple as that, doesn't matter if he used he knee at all.

[ChequeredJersey]

Anyway... try was given

[thebluesmancometh]

Then by your reckoning nathan players can crawl on the floor for as long as they like, 3 metres short he has 2 options, place or offload, he doesn't and uses his knee for a thrust toward the line, IMO it's double movement, and I definately wouldve called it as such if I were reffing.

[nathan]

Then by your reckoning nathan players can crawl on the floor for as long as they like, 3 metres short he has 2 options, place or offload, he doesn't and uses his knee for a thrust toward the line, IMO it's double movement, and I definately wouldve called it as such if I were reffing.

But he does it whilst sliding, you can argue all his forward movement is coming from the sliding.

[thebluesmancometh]

Just looked at the first try too, and that Phipps pass was 2.8metres forward!!! WTF!!

[Pal Joey]

Half Time Stats

England 14 / 11 Australia

Possession % 52 / 48
Rucks & mauls 42 / 47
Line Breaks 1/ 3
Tackles 49 / 44
Missed Tackles 7 / 5
Scrum Wins 3(0) / 2(1)
Line Out Wins 3/0 / 5/0

[tatterd]

True it was a forward pass - momentum anyone?

[thebluesmancometh]

If his momentum comes from the slide though nathan there is no need for the knee to be used for the thrust!!

I can put it through my software and prove his moment is massively changed by the knee and thrust while on the floor, but IMO that'll make me look just as bad as if I just used it for the Phipps pass

[nathan]

Half Time Stats

England / Australia

Possession % 52 / 48
Rucks & mauls 42 / 47
Line Breaks 1/ 3
Tackles 49 / 44
Missed Tackles 7 / 5
Scrum Wins 3(0) / 2(1)
Line Out Wins 3/0 / 5/0

Haven't Oz lost a couple lineouts? We need to sort out our missed tackles.

[thebluesmancometh]

tattered

Momentum is calculated in the software, it gives a 0.6metre handicap to account for velocity of player and projectile in motion...

[nathan]

If his momentum comes from the slide though nathan there is no need for the knee to be used for the thrust!!

I can put it through my software and prove his moment is massively changed by the knee and thrust while on the floor, but IMO that'll make me look just as bad as if I just used it for the Phipps pass

There is no need to use the knee, but just because he did doesn't mean its a double movement! We'll, your software could be wrong... :p

[Pal Joey]

Not according to Foxsports they haven't.
There was one where the ref took it away from them... for time wasting. Bollux!

[majesticimperialman]

It is a real arm wrestle out their, both teams want to win and not just for World Rankins points either. Australia want to win to make up for last week.
And England want to win because they are at home.

[nathan]

Not according to Foxsports they haven't.
There was one where the ref took it away from them... for time wasting. Bollux!

Do not thrown straight not count as a lost?

[flankertye]

Looking okay, wish we had Haskell on the bench to give more physicality

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