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No need for new era as England go to India with cause for optimism

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Post by Shelsey93 Tue 13 Nov - 20:19

In less than two days time England embark on the next stage of their quest to win a Test series in Asia, led by a new captain in Alastair Cook, but otherwise with largely the same personnel that went to the UAE and Sri Lanka last winter. Expectations are low, but on the face of it there should be little reason to believe that England cannot win a first series in India since 1985.

In some quarters the tour has been described as the beginning of a new era for English cricket, but in reality the switch in leadership was all about continuity rather than change. Cook has been groomed for captaincy since he first stepped into an England dressing room seven years ago, has been one-day international captain for eighteen months, and this is not even the first Test tour to the sub-continent that he’s led - he stood in for Andrew Strauss in Bangladesh, and by all accounts did an excellent job. Therefore, a change in team ethos is highly unlikely and rightly so: under Strauss England became a highly professional and effective outfit, guided by a world leading team of support staff. Expect Cook’s first target to be to ensure that this is replicated under his command.

The make up of the team will also have a familiar look to it when it is named after the toss in Ahmedabad on Thursday. The enforced replacement of Strauss with Nick Compton, and the inclusion of Stuart Broad (who was injured last spring) in place of the now crocked Steven Finn are likely to be the only two changes from the 2nd Test in Sri Lanka, a match which England won. That reflects the fact that despite an unconvincing twelve months, there can be little dispute over who England’s best players are. The batting unit may have failed in the sub-continent last winter, but to my mind Cook, Jonathan Trott, Ian Bell and, yes, Kevin Pietersen are world class batsmen, each of whom has shown ability to play spin in the past. Cook and Trott have had success in Asia before, Pietersen has smashed Warne and Murali to all parts, and Bell has scored runs in matches played on turning pitches, albeit rarely in Asia. Matt Prior is undoubtedly the best ‘keeper-batsman in the world game. Meanwhile, a disappointing effort against South Africa aside, James Anderson and Stuart Broad have formed an incisive new ball partnership in recent years. Tim Bresnan lost form this summer, but all the evidence from the tour games suggests he’s back in the sort of rhythm which has provided him with success against India in the past.

Nevertheless, we should not kid ourselves that this will be easy. Few teams have won Test series in India within the last decade, and all batsmen that have faced Ravichandran Ashwin in Asia have struggled thus far. It is likely that he’ll take the new ball, ensuring that England’s batsmen are put under pressure from ball one, and unable to take advantage of getting set against the seamers, as is their preference. Pragyan Ojha is also a better left-arm spinner than he’s often given credit for. These are not spinners that England can expect to bully, as they did to Harbhajan Singh and Amit Mishra in England. But it is surely not asking too much to expect top class international players, as so many of the England line-up are, to play sensibly and effectively against slow bowling.

The Indian batting line-up will present England with both hope and fear. It is hard to argue that this top seven is any stronger than the group which failed to top 300 more than once against these same England bowlers a short time ago, and Anderson, Broad and Bresnan will feel they have a mental edge over Virender Sehwag, Gautam Gambhir and Yuvraj Singh. Gambhir, in particular, would appear to have major technical issues against the moving ball - an issue for an opening batsman. However, India’s line-up like their home comforts, and Virat Kohli is in as good a form as Amla was when England came across him in the summer. Unsurprisingly India play spin particularly well, potentially negating the effectiveness of Graeme Swann and Samit Patel.

So to the question of what England need to do differently from their sub-standard efforts over the last twelve months. Firstly, they need to take their catches - near perfect fielding was a hallmark of the team in 2010 and 2011, but that seemed to slip last year. Secondly, they must make sure they don’t panic against spin - there is no reason why any of the batsmen ought to be technically incapable of playing slow bowling so a better mental approach should do the trick. Finally, with the ball they need to finish teams off: crucial lower order runs stopped them getting away with some shaky batting efforts last year. Do all three of these things well and a series win is well within England’s reach.

Overall, England should not be daunted by this series. They are playing an opponent that suffered a 4-0 reversal at their hands last time round, and it is difficult to see how India are a better team than they were then. Dealing with the Indian spinners is a tough task for any batsman, but there is no reason why England’s line-up should not be up to the challenge technically. Therefore, if Alastair Cook’s team are able to win the mental war and replicate the professionalism demonstrated in 2010 and 2011, they stand a good chance of confounding the predictions and defending the Pataudi Trophy. It won’t be easy but its certainly not impossible.


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Post by Corporalhumblebucket Tue 13 Nov - 20:41

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....and the inclusion of Stuart Broad (who was injured last spring) in place of the now crooked Steven Finn are likely to be the only two changes from the 2nd Test in Sri Lanka, a match which England won.....
Oh dear, what's he been up to Shocked

Good article, Shelsey, though I fear we will have a strong propensity to implode against high quality spin bowling... A series win for England is entirely possible, but I would rate the chances of that at 20% at the absolute max.


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Post by Shelsey93 Tue 13 Nov - 20:45

I tend to agree corporal, although I'd say 30-40%.

If I had to make a prediction I'm still going 2-1 India, but its certainly not impossible for us to win in my view.

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Post by KP_fan Wed 14 Nov - 10:17

only one minor amendment proposed...rest all looks good Very Happy

Expectations are low, but on the face of it there should be little reason to believe that England cannot win a first series in India since 1985.
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Post by guildfordbat Fri 16 Nov - 11:03

Corporalhumblebucket wrote:... I fear we will have a strong propensity to implode against high quality spin bowling...


A prediction already showing signs of military precision ....

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket Sat 17 Nov - 10:29

guildfordbat wrote:
Corporalhumblebucket wrote:... I fear we will have a strong propensity to implode against high quality spin bowling...


A prediction already showing signs of military precision ....

Laugh Sadly, tho, not the most difficult prediction....

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket Sun 9 Dec - 14:22

Shelsey93 wrote: ......So to the question of what England need to do differently from their sub-standard efforts over the last twelve months. Firstly, they need to take their catches - near perfect fielding was a hallmark of the team in 2010 and 2011, but that seemed to slip last year. Secondly, they must make sure they don’t panic against spin - there is no reason why any of the batsmen ought to be technically incapable of playing slow bowling so a better mental approach should do the trick. Finally, with the ball they need to finish teams off: crucial lower order runs stopped them getting away with some shaky batting efforts last year. Do all three of these things well and a series win is well within England’s reach.

Overall, England should not be daunted by this series. They are playing an opponent that suffered a 4-0 reversal at their hands last time round, and it is difficult to see how India are a better team than they were then. Dealing with the Indian spinners is a tough task for any batsman, but there is no reason why England’s line-up should not be up to the challenge technically. Therefore, if Alastair Cook’s team are able to win the mental war and replicate the professionalism demonstrated in 2010 and 2011, they stand a good chance of confounding the predictions and defending the Pataudi Trophy. It won’t be easy but its certainly not impossible.

Good analysis. I had given England a chance, but only a small one. The main things I had not taken full account of were: Panesar better than I had expected; Indian spinners worse than I had expected. I knew Ojha was a good bowler, and that it had taken him a while to break into the team. But the other bowlers were indifferent. Plus several of the England batsmen started to play sensibly against slow bowlers - which I had recognised was a possibility but I had thought we were more likely to implode. We may yet still do so and lose the last test, but overall a remarkable effort with the bat, with Cook of course leading the way.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 9 Dec - 15:47

I think a new captain in the form of Cook has given the team new life and impetus. In the 4 previous Test Series we played this year with Strauss as our captain, we looked tired and ill-prepared.

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Post by Shelsey93 Mon 17 Dec - 11:24

Just thought I'd bump this one Wink

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Post by gboycottnut Mon 17 Dec - 11:30

Duty281 wrote:I think a new captain in the form of Cook has given the team new life and impetus. In the 4 previous Test Series we played this year with Strauss as our captain, we looked tired and ill-prepared.

Things may be going well for Cook now, but by the time of the next home test series V SA in a couple of years time, his time as captain and as a player perhaps is likely to end by the end of thait test series as all of England's captains entering a test series V SA at home since Hussain in 2003 have all resigned the captaincy and given up test match cricket by the end of the SA test series.

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket Mon 17 Dec - 22:03

Boycottnut. Always possible - and indeed likely - for highly successful cricket captain / manager etc later on to fail badly at some point leading to resignation or sacking (NB the saying that all political careers ultimately end in failure). But for the moment the new Cook regime has done everything and more that could be expected of it.

As a minimum the refreshing of captaincy has restored the best aspects of the Strauss era. With the extra twist of a greater willingness to tweak composition of a successful team.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Dec - 21:59

Can we talk about the optimism for the ODI series as well? Lost 5-0 in India last year but since then England's record for ODIs in 2012 has been quite good to say the least:

Pakistan 0-4 England
England 2-0 West Indies
England 4-0 Australia
England 2-2 South Africa

I guess a true barometer of how far we've come in the 50 over format will be seen in probably the toughest place to play ODI cricket.

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Post by ShankyCricket Sun 23 Dec - 22:06

We have won 1 ODI out the last 16 in bilateral ODIs in India. Hard to feel too optimistic tbh. I suspect we may win one this time around at Dharamsala where the Indian players might struggle to adjust to the ultra cold climate in January. But India firm favourites to win the series.

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