World Rugby Rankings

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Current World Rankings

IRB Rankings at
http://www.worldrugby.org/rankings#mru

Fixtures according to http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/fixtures/_/league/180659/

Best odds for each result category from a range of bookies as at http://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/six-nations

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Saturday, March 18

Scotland v Italy 12:30 PM -- BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh

sco (on 82.18 points) at home -vs- ita (on 71.17 points)

If sco win by 1-15 points 0.000 82.18 71.17 No
If sco win by more than 15 0.000 82.18 71.17 No
If result is a draw 1.000 81.18 72.17 No
If ita win by 1-15 points 2.000 80.18 73.17 No
If ita win by more than 15 3.000 79.18 74.17 No

Scotland (1/16)
Draw (66/1)
Italy (15/1)

France v Wales 2:45 PM -- Stade de France, Saint-Denis

fra (on 81.21 points) at home -vs- wal (on 82.16 points)

If fra win by 1-15 points 0.795 82.00 81.36 Yes
If fra win by more than 15 1.193 82.40 80.97 Yes
If result is a draw 0.205 81.00 82.36 No
If wal win by 1-15 points 1.205 80.00 83.36 No
If wal win by more than 15 1.807 79.40 83.97 No

France (8/13)
14:45TV
 

France (8/13)
Draw (25/1)
Wales (13/8)

Ireland v England 5:00 PM -- Aviva Stadium, Dublin

ire (on 83.18 points) at home -vs- eng (on 91.02 points)

If ire win by 1-15 points 1.484 84.66 89.54 No
If ire win by more than 15 2.226 85.41 88.79 No
If result is a draw 0.484 83.66 90.54 No
If eng win by 1-15 points 0.516 82.66 91.54 No
If eng win by more than 15 0.774 82.41 91.79 No

Ireland (6/4)
Draw (25/1)
England (9/13)



Original thread:
https://www.606v2.com/t12724p950-irb-world-rankings-part-1


Sources:
Fixtures : http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/fixtures/4776295.stm
IRB Rankings : http://www.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html
Rankings explanation : http://www.irb.com/rankings/explain/index.html
Rankings archive : http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/index.html
Fixtures : http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/current/match/scores/recent.html

Online calculator (Courtesy of Robbo277 (thanks)) : http://www.lassen.co.nz/pagmisc.php#hrh

You were almost down there with today's match LD.

This is what I think the rankings are after the QF's

Rank Team Points
1 New Zealand 92.9
2 Australia 90.9
3 South Africa 86.8
4 Argentina 85.1
5 Wales 83.5
6 Ireland 81.2
7 France 79.8
7 England 79.8
9 Scotland 77.9
10 Japan 77.1

Oooohh the gap is closing on NZ now! If we can just force them to keep playing the likes of Romania etc for the next few years some one may catch them.

So if Oz win by +15 and NZ by only +1 could Oz go top? That would be tad curious.

If NZ win by 1-15 points 0.090 92.99 86.71 No
If NZ win by more than 15 0.135 93.04 86.66 No
If result is a draw 0.910 91.99 87.71 No
If SA win by 1-15 points 1.910 90.99 88.71 No
If SA win by more than 15 2.865 90.04 89.66 No

If Aus win by 1-15 points 0.120 91.02 84.98 No
If Aus win by more than 15 0.180 91.08 84.92 No
If result is a draw 0.880 90.02 85.98 No
If Arg win by 1-15 points 1.880 89.02 86.98 No
If Arg win by more than 15 2.820 88.08 87.92 No

Australia can overtake in NZ if they win and NZ loses. They need a win and a NZ loss.
South Africa can overtake Australia if they win and Australia loses.
Argentina could overtake South Africa if they win and SA loses.

No one will drop out of the top 4.

blackcanelion wrote:If NZ win by 1-15 points 0.090 92.99 86.71 No
If NZ win by more than 15 0.135 93.04 86.66 No
If result is a draw 0.910 91.99 87.71 No
If SA win by 1-15 points 1.910 90.99 88.71 No
If SA win by more than 15 2.865 90.04 89.66 No

If Aus win by 1-15 points 0.120 91.02 84.98 No
If Aus win by more than 15 0.180 91.08 84.92 No
If result is a draw 0.880 90.02 85.98 No
If Arg win by 1-15 points 1.880 89.02 86.98 No
If Arg win by more than 15 2.820 88.08 87.92 No

I think you forgot to click the button saying these are world cup matches when doing the calculations,I make it that Argentina get 3.16 for a 1-15 win and 4.74 for a 16+ win.

Ha, could be true. This page reckons if NZ win by a point and Aus by 16, they will be tied on 93.07 points.

http://irbrankingcalculator.azurewebsites.net/

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

blackcanelion wrote:If NZ win by 1-15 points 0.090 92.99 86.71 No
If NZ win by more than 15 0.135 93.04 86.66 No
If result is a draw 0.910 91.99 87.71 No
If SA win by 1-15 points 1.910 90.99 88.71 No
If SA win by more than 15 2.865 90.04 89.66 No

If Aus win by 1-15 points 0.120 91.02 84.98 No
If Aus win by more than 15 0.180 91.08 84.92 No
If result is a draw 0.880 90.02 85.98 No
If Arg win by 1-15 points 1.880 89.02 86.98 No
If Arg win by more than 15 2.820 88.08 87.92 No

I think you forgot to click the button saying these are world cup matches when doing the calculations,I make it that Argentina  get 3.16 for a 1-15 win and 4.74 for a 16+ win.

You are right. Here're the corrections:

If NZ win by 1-15 points 0.782 93.67 86.02 No
If NZ win by more than 15 1.173 94.06 85.63 No
If result is a draw 1.218 91.67 88.02 No
If SA win by 1-15 points 3.218 89.67 90.02 Yes
If SA win by more than 15 4.827 88.06 91.63 Yes

If Aus win by 1-15 points 0.828 91.76 84.24 No
If Aus win by more than 15 1.242 92.17 83.83 No
If result is a draw 1.172 89.76 86.24 No
If Arg win by 1-15 points 3.172 87.76 88.24 Yes
If Arg win by more than 15 4.758 86.17 89.83 Yes

That changes the potential rankings a bit. NZ could drop down to 3rd, Argentina could go as high as 2nd. The Boks and Wallabies could finish anywhere in the top 4.

blackcanelion wrote:That changes the potential rankings a bit. NZ could drop down to 3rd, Argentina could go as high as 2nd. The Boks and Wallabies could finish anywhere in the top 4.

That's mental,the RWC skews the rankings too much if NZ's dominance of the game over the last few years can be wiped out by losing to a team they beat just a few weeks ago.Not that the rankings mean that much except for WC seeding purposes but it's the principal of it.

And if SA stuff Argentina in the "vital" playoff - guess who gets to go back to 4th ?

New Zealand on 93.67.

Post World Cup Rankings

Rank Team Points
1 New Zealand 96.10
2 Australia 89.33
3 South Africa 87.66
4 Wales 83.49
5 Argentina 82.59
6 Ireland 81.17
7 France 79.77
8 England 79.77
9 Scotland 77.94
10 Japan 77.05
11 Fiji 76.96
12 Italy 72.74
13 Tonga 71.60
14 Georgia 71.45
15 Samoa 70.36

blackcanelion wrote:Post World Cup Rankings

Rank Team Points
1 New Zealand 96.10
2 Australia 89.33
3 South Africa 87.66
4 Wales 83.49
5 Argentina 82.59
6 Ireland 81.17
7 France 79.77
8 England 79.77
9 Scotland 77.94
10 Japan 77.05
11 Fiji 76.96
12 Italy 72.74
13 Tonga 71.60
14 Georgia 71.45
15 Samoa 70.36

Hopefully we keep that fourth position into next year, in team for the next World Cup seedings - we can't handle groups of death!

96.10 thats the highest weve got.

Can't understand how Wales get such a high ranking when they never actually beat anyone decent....

rodders wrote:Can't understand how Wales get such a high ranking when they never actually beat anyone decent....

except for those below them of course with 4/5 wins being away

5 Argentina 82.59
6 Ireland 81.17
7 France 79.77
8 England 79.77
9 Scotland 77.94

10 Japan 77.05

Dog - Can you leave the meaningless points scoring to us NH's teams please - Its all we have left

rodders wrote:Can't understand how Wales get such a high ranking when they never actually beat anyone decent....

As long as we're consistently beating those ranked below us (which is every side but three at present) we're happy

Knowsit17 wrote:

rodders wrote:Can't understand how Wales get such a high ranking when they never actually beat anyone decent....

As long as we're consistently beating those ranked below us (which is every side but three at present) we're happy

That certainly seems to chime with Gatland's approach to beating the big SH sides. I wonder how many wins he'll get in the next four years to add to his total (which stands at 2? 3?).

Good to see we're (England) still above those power houses Scotland and Japan! That's what really matters...

Two questions.

1. Wasn't the RWC seedings system changing for the next comp, wasn't it happening closer to the event?

2. What do the IRB use after points if teams are tied? ie why are France above England?

I'd assume something like France were playing away at a WC and England were hosts.... advantage to France in the list?

Who knows. They're effectively equal anyway. I'd expect a fair amount of movement in the 6 nations. England had an 80% winning record over the last 4 years of 6 nations.

So if I have it right, pools if they were drawn right now would look a little like:

1 New Zealand 96.10
5 Argentina 82.59
9 Scotland 77.94
13 Tonga 71.60

2 Australia 89.33
6 Ireland 81.17
10 Japan 77.05
14 Georgia 71.45

3 South Africa 87.66
7 France 79.77
11 Fiji 76.96
15 Samoa 70.36

4 Wales 83.496
8 England 79.77
12 Italy 72.74
16 USA 68.66

Plus A. Nother

I'd like our pool if so.....
Let's call the pools now!

Ireland could be in a bit of hot water (ranking wise) if they do not have a good 6N.

We'll wait for South Africa to collect any worthwhile points there.

Six Nations should be used to practice a much more assertive and attacking continuing presence through all five games. Hard at it for five and if need be make mistakes and errors through it.... and if need be pay the consequences on the results or injuries. Our squad needs much toughening up.

yappysnap wrote:So if I have it right, pools if they were drawn right now would look a little like:

1 New Zealand 96.10
5 Argentina 82.59
9 Scotland 77.94
13 Tonga 71.60

2 Australia 89.33
6 Ireland 81.17
10 Japan 77.05
14 Georgia 71.45

3 South Africa 87.66
7 France 79.77
11 Fiji 76.96
15 Samoa 70.36

4 Wales 83.496
8 England 79.77
12 Italy 72.74
16 USA 68.66

Plus A. Nother

Actually NO
The first 4 are put in pots and the next positions are all DRAWN
For this years tournament each pool was made up of the following rankings at the time, 1,8,11,15 17.  3,5,9,16,20. 2,7,12,14,18 and finally 4,6,10,13,19.
So if they were drawn in the same way, it would look something like
NZ, England, Fiji, Samoa
SA, Argentina, Scotland, USA
Aus, France, Italy, Georgia
Wales, Ireland, Japan, Tonga
Some very intriguing match ups there

NZ and Australia - cruisers

The rest.. fights to the bitter end.

Pool of Death?

Don't see one clearly. Maybe the SA one.

My question (and puzzlement) is this:

Most of the other teams this world cup seem to be up and down like a hoor's knickers.

But yet, no matter who Scotland play and whether they win or not, they seem to stick at 9/10 all the time.

Are we caught up in some weird rankings vortex?

I assume that means you're good enough to beat teams below, giving few points, and lose to teams above you, losing few points.

In general terms any way.

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:My question (and puzzlement) is this:

Most of the other teams this world cup seem to be up and down like a hoor's knickers.

But yet, no matter who Scotland play and whether they win or not, they seem to stick at 9/10 all the time.

Are we caught up in some weird rankings vortex?

Yis are 'chaste'. A few good porno movies should sort out the frigidity and get yis up more often.....

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:My question (and puzzlement) is this:

Most of the other teams this world cup seem to be up and down like a hoor's knickers.

But yet, no matter who Scotland play and whether they win or not, they seem to stick at 9/10 all the time.

Are we caught up in some weird rankings vortex?

Remember old Chinese proverb:

"Dark Horses can be seen on a clear day but come night-fall Dark Horses are nowhere to be seen" -

The World Rankings are always done during the evening after night fall .

It's really early, but here's the fixtures for the 6 nations round 1 on 2 Feb 2016:

France v Italy

Result                                Pt+/- Fra    Ita
If Fra win by 1-15 points 0.000 79.77 72.74
If Fra win by more than 15 0.000 79.77 72.74
If result is a draw                1.000 78.77 73.74
If Ita win by 1-15 points 2.000 77.77 74.74
If Ita win by more than 15 3.000 76.77 75.74


Scotland v England

Result                                Pt+/- Sco    Eng  
If Sco win by 1-15 points 0.883 78.82 78.89
If Sco win by more than 15 1.324 79.26 78.45
If result is a draw 0.117 77.82 79.89
If Eng win by 1-15 points 1.117 76.82 80.89
If Eng win by more than 15 1.676 76.26 81.45

Ireland v Wales

Result                                Pt+/- Ire    Wal  
If Ire win by 1-15 points 0.932 82.10 82.56
If Ire win by more than 15 1.398 82.57 82.09
If result is a draw 0.068 81.10 83.56
If Wal win by 1-15 points 1.068 80.10 84.56
If Wal win by more than 15 1.602 79.57 85.09

Current rankings

Rank Team Points
1 New Zealand 96.10
2 Australia 89.33
3 South Africa 87.66
4 Wales 83.49
5 Argentina 82.59
6 Ireland 81.17
7= France 79.77
7= England 79.77
9 Scotland 77.94
10 Japan 77.05
11 Fiji 76.96
12 Italy 72.74
13 Tonga 71.60
14 Georgia 71.45
15 Samoa 70.36

New OP for 6ns starters.

Is something wrong with the Rankings Computer..... ?


After one week where Wales drew against Ireland and France beat Italy with very little real conviction.... France move to 2nd and Wales slump to 10th??????

I know the figures always work because it's just the science of numbers but I really can't fathom why that result for France shoots them up so far or that result for Wales kicks them down so low.

The link in the OP opens with the women's rankings. Oz at 7 and SA at 12 is a clue!

for those who can't be bothered to click on the "Men's" tab

http://www.worldrugby.org/rankings#mru

England move up above France courtesy of their away win. Scotland drop a couple of places behind Japan and Fiji. Wales and Ireland don't move but presumably the gap has widened a bit.

New OP with special needs access to the men's tournament.

Allez
Allez les bleus!

latest Men rankings : Ireland goes down 2 places

1 NZ 96.1
2 AUS 89.33
3 SA 57.66
4 WAL 83.58
5 ARG 82.59
6 ENG 81.62
7 FRA 80.61
8 IRE 80.27
9 JAP 77.05
10 FIJ 76.96
11 SCO 76.8

New OP.

Keep reading how England's rise in the rankings will help them avoid another group of death. The Daily Mail has a piece to that effect today.

This is plain daft. The problem last time round was that Wales had had a bad run, despite being a top team, and so got assigned to a different tier. It wasn't England's lowly rank which put us on a collision course.

The only way another group of death will be avoided in principle is if all teams retain their relative positions between the seedings and the competition.

Even then, in practice, so long as there are more than eight competitive sides, then a group of death of some complexion will be inevitable. Since we have ten teams in the two major competitions, then at least two of those are always going to miss the quarter-finals.

Rugby Fan wrote:Keep reading how England's rise in the rankings will help them avoid another group of death. The Daily Mail has a piece to that effect today.

This is plain daft. The problem last time round was that Wales had had a bad run, despite being a top team, and so got assigned to a different tier. It wasn't England's lowly rank which put us on a collision course.

The only way another group of death will be avoided in principle is if all teams retain their relative positions between the seedings and the competition.

Even then, in practice, so long as there are more than eight competitive sides, then a group of death of some complexion will be inevitable. Since we have ten teams in the two major competitions, then at least two of those are always going to miss the quarter-finals.

Absolutely correct.

It's pointless fretting about ranking as it relates to a competition four years away. Yes, the ranking will dictate what sides face off against each other in pools at that time, but it will not dictate what strength most of these sides will have going into the competition. So, let's say England would quite like to have France in their Pool Stage and the rankings now make that a promising prospect. Perhaps by then, France will be back to a peak and playing the best rugby in Europe at the time. What use will present ranking be then when the pool battles must be fought? It'll be a Pool of Death if three or more sides have real prospects of progressing. That will be decided well after the Pools have been decided upon.

Wales now down to 6th, behind Argentina.

Probably a fair reflection

What these rankings do suggest though is that England maybe arent as good as we think from them winning their last 7 games. The Northern Hemisphere sides is weak the board at the minute. Even an overweighted flump at the world cup has England comfortably above the dross, without having to beat any quality sides recently.
Australia is the real test of where they are at compared to 2014 and 2010, the sides that went on to grow from promising performances againt SH opposition into abject failures.

NZl (on 96.10 points) at home -vs- Wal (on 82.49 points)

If NZl win by 1-15 points 0.000 96.10 82.49 No
If NZl win by more than 15 0.000 96.10 82.49 No
If result is a draw 1.000 95.10 83.49 No
If Wal win by 1-15 points 2.000 94.10 84.49 No
If Wal win by more than 15 3.000 93.10 85.49 No