World Rugby Rankings

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Current World Rankings

IRB Rankings at
http://www.worldrugby.org/rankings#mru

Fixtures according to http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/fixtures/_/league/180659/

Best odds for each result category from a range of bookies as at http://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/six-nations

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Saturday, March 18

Scotland v Italy 12:30 PM -- BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh

sco (on 82.18 points) at home -vs- ita (on 71.17 points)

If sco win by 1-15 points 0.000 82.18 71.17 No
If sco win by more than 15 0.000 82.18 71.17 No
If result is a draw 1.000 81.18 72.17 No
If ita win by 1-15 points 2.000 80.18 73.17 No
If ita win by more than 15 3.000 79.18 74.17 No

Scotland (1/16)
Draw (66/1)
Italy (15/1)

France v Wales 2:45 PM -- Stade de France, Saint-Denis

fra (on 81.21 points) at home -vs- wal (on 82.16 points)

If fra win by 1-15 points 0.795 82.00 81.36 Yes
If fra win by more than 15 1.193 82.40 80.97 Yes
If result is a draw 0.205 81.00 82.36 No
If wal win by 1-15 points 1.205 80.00 83.36 No
If wal win by more than 15 1.807 79.40 83.97 No

France (8/13)
14:45TV
 

France (8/13)
Draw (25/1)
Wales (13/8)

Ireland v England 5:00 PM -- Aviva Stadium, Dublin

ire (on 83.18 points) at home -vs- eng (on 91.02 points)

If ire win by 1-15 points 1.484 84.66 89.54 No
If ire win by more than 15 2.226 85.41 88.79 No
If result is a draw 0.484 83.66 90.54 No
If eng win by 1-15 points 0.516 82.66 91.54 No
If eng win by more than 15 0.774 82.41 91.79 No

Ireland (6/4)
Draw (25/1)
England (9/13)



Original thread:
https://www.606v2.com/t12724p950-irb-world-rankings-part-1


Sources:
Fixtures : http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/fixtures/4776295.stm
IRB Rankings : http://www.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html
Rankings explanation : http://www.irb.com/rankings/explain/index.html
Rankings archive : http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/index.html
Fixtures : http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/current/match/scores/recent.html

Online calculator (Courtesy of Robbo277 (thanks)) : http://www.lassen.co.nz/pagmisc.php#hrh

Aus (on 89.33 points) at home -vs- Eng (on 84.60 points)

If Aus win by 1-15 points 0.227 89.56 84.37 No
If Aus win by more than 15 0.340 89.67 84.26 No
If result is a draw 0.773 88.56 85.37 No
If Eng win by 1-15 points 1.773 87.56 86.37 No
If Eng win by more than 15 2.660 86.67 87.26 Yes

Arg (on 82.59 points) at home -vs- Ita (on 70.78 points)

If Arg win by 1-15 points 0.000 82.59 70.78 No
If Arg win by more than 15 0.000 82.59 70.78 No
If result is a draw 1.000 81.59 71.78 No
If Ita win by 1-15 points 2.000 80.59 72.78 No
If Ita win by more than 15 3.000 79.59 73.78 No

SA (on 87.66 points) at home -vs- Ire (on 80.33 points)

If SA win by 1-15 points 0.000 87.66 80.33 No
If SA win by more than 15 0.000 87.66 80.33 No
If result is a draw 1.000 86.66 81.33 No
If Ire win by 1-15 points 2.000 85.66 82.33 No
If Ire win by more than 15 3.000 84.66 83.33 No

South Africa just overtook Australia as No 2.

Not grey and not a ghost wrote:South Africa just overtook Australia as No 2.

?

I think it's...
1. 96.10 - BNZ (-)
2. 87.56 - Aus (-1.77)
3. 86.37 - Eng (+1.77)
4. 85.66 - SAf (-2.00)
5. 82.59 - Arg (still to play)
6. 82.49 - Wal (-)
7. 82.33 - Ire (+2.00pts)
8. 78.36 - Fra
9. 78.32 - Sco
10. 77.05 - Jap

If England win the next game we're into second

Not grey and not a ghost wrote:South Africa just overtook Australia as No 2.

How did you arrive at that erroneous conclusion when SA lost more ranking points than Australia ?

Steve_rugby wrote:

Not grey and not a ghost wrote:South Africa just overtook Australia as No 2.

How did you arrive at that erroneous conclusion when SA lost more ranking points than Australia ?

When I typed it, England had just beaten and Australia and the Ireland South Africa game hadn't started. The points exchange meant Australia fell behind South Africa, but remained ahead of England. Obviously things changed when the boks were beaten.

LOL. South Africa were Number 2 for about six hours.

I think Ireland will finish the series in 4th - they're better than SA.

England / Aus will be 2nd and 3rd. Still too tight to guess who will win the next two.

Wales will remain on 82.49.

Are Argentina and France playing anyone?

Alex_Germany wrote:Are Argentina and France playing anyone?

Each other.

The only ranking you need to know is NZ is number 1 and everyone else second. Not much difference between 2nd to 7th anyway.

Well, we'll have to see how New Zealand go. They've got a lot of new players and haven't played any top teams since the world cup. How long were England No 1 for after the 2003 RWC, when some core players retired (or got old).

I see New Zealand is avoiding England this year, but the Bledisoe Cup should be interesting.

Well, that's the thing about New Zealand, they don't often need WC wins to be at or stay at the top. It's been a bit of a habit that they find difficult to break.

1 New Zealand 96.10
2 Australia 87.56
3 England 86.37
4 South Africa 85.66
5 Argentina 82.59
6 Wales 82.49
7 Ireland 82.33
8 France 78.36
9 Scotland 78.32
10 Fiji 77.13
11 Japan 77.07
12 Georgia 72.70
13 Tonga 71.43
14 Italy 70.78
15 Samoa 70.29


If NZ win by 1-15 points 0 96.1 82.49 No
If NZ win by more than 15 0 96.1 82.49 No
If result is a draw 1 95.1 83.49 No
If Wal win by 1-15 points 2 94.1 84.49 No
If Wal win by more than 15 3 93.1 85.49 No

If Aus win by 1-15 points 0.581 88.14 85.79 No
If Aus win by more than 15 0.872 88.43 85.5 No
If result is a draw 0.419 87.14 86.79 No
If Eng win by 1-15 points 1.419 86.14 87.79 Yes
If Eng win by more than 15 2.128 85.43 88.5 Yes

If SA win by 1-15 points 0.367 86.03 81.96 No
If SA win by more than 15 0.551 86.21 81.78 No
If result is a draw 0.633 85.03 82.96 No
If Ire win by 1-15 points 1.633 84.03 83.96 No
If Ire win by more than 15 2.449 83.21 84.78 Yes

If Jap win by 1-15 points 0.825 77.89 77.49 Yes
If Jap win by more than 15 1.237 78.31 77.08 Yes
If result is a draw 0.175 76.89 78.49 No
If Sco win by 1-15 points 1.175 75.89 79.49 No
If Sco win by more than 15 1.763 75.31 80.08 No

If Arg win by 1-15 points 0.277 82.87 78.08 No
If Arg win by more than 15 0.415 83.01 77.94 No
If result is a draw 0.723 81.87 79.08 No
If Fra win by 1-15 points 1.723 80.87 80.08 No
If Fra win by more than 15 2.585 80.01 80.94 Yes

There seems to be 4 distinct groups developing in the top 11, would we bunch these teams together at current levels?

1 - NZ
2 - Aus, Eng, SA
3 - Arg, Wal, Ire
4. Fra, Sco, Fiji, Jap

Sgt_Pooly wrote:There seems to be 4 distinct groups developing in the top 11, would we bunch these teams together at current levels?

1 - NZ
2 - Aus, Eng, SA
3 - Arg, Wal, Ire
4. Fra, Sco, Fiji, Jap

I think it's too fluid at the moment. If Ireland beat SA, they either join them or go ahead. Given they won last week with 14 men, I think and Ireland win is quite likely.

Actually, this week, four of the five matches could see positional swaps, which is pretty amazing.

Points wise, NZ will stay at the top - but they can't get more points against Wales. As this is based on a points exchange system, New Zealand should give up international rugby now, and they'd remain at No 1 forever. I think south Africa tried the same in the 1980s.

It's chaos at work and doing its thing - form rising and falling, central players leaving or being created and as Alex says, the fluidity it causes.

NH sides have a subtle bounce in fortunes - in places - and the attitude and confidence levels of believing in your coach helps a bunch too. But that 1, 2, 3, 4 list............. well they've been tried before to draw a line in the sand between different 'factions' or 'ability levels' and the one I remember from before the WC doesn't look anything like Pooly's

GunsGerms wrote:The only ranking you need to know is NZ is number 1 and everyone else second. Not much difference between 2nd to 7th anyway.

Of course an Irish fan whose team are in 7th would say this....

Ireland in 7th because they lost to France and England and drew to Wales in the 6 nations.

Beating SA in SA is impressive though.

You gotta lose to someone beshocked. As we ALL know.

I think England are a bit better than Ireland and Wales...

beshocked wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:The only ranking you need to know is NZ is number 1 and everyone else second. Not much difference between 2nd to 7th anyway.

Of course an Irish fan whose team are in 7th would say this....

Ireland in 7th because they lost to France and England and drew to Wales in the 6 nations.

Beating SA in SA is impressive though.

Ireland were second less than a year ago. That's the point there is very little between 2nd and 7th. Ireland played England and France away from home both by very little in terms of score. I wouldn't be surprised if we beat them both at home next year.

mikey_dragon wrote:I think England are a bit better than Ireland and Wales...

A little because they are champions. However they did play Ireland and Wales at home which makes a difference between teams that are similar in quality.

GunsGerms wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:I think England are a bit better than Ireland and Wales...

A little because they are champions. However they did play Ireland and Wales at home which makes a difference between teams that are similar in quality.

Obviously things can change quickly but the rankings are normally a pretty good indication of where teams are at.

England, since the dire World Cup, have improved hugely. I'd fancy them to take Wales and Ireland home and away currently but things can change.

GunsGerms wrote:

beshocked wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:The only ranking you need to know is NZ is number 1 and everyone else second. Not much difference between 2nd to 7th anyway.

Of course an Irish fan whose team are in 7th would say this....

Ireland in 7th because they lost to France and England and drew to Wales in the 6 nations.

Beating SA in SA is impressive though.

Ireland were second less than a year ago. That's the point there is very little between 2nd and 7th. Ireland played England and France away from home both by very little in terms of score. I wouldn't be surprised if we beat them both at home next year.

21-10 - a 11 point loss is not a small margin of defeat. It's a solid win.

Plus England have won the last 6 out of 7 vs Ireland.

Funnily enough Ireland have found it much easier to beat SA in recent years than England.

Ireland have won the last 5 out of 7 vs SA which is impressive.

New OP.

Late and messy. But 606v2 isn't good for me. But I like to watch from the touchline.

Here's to another good weekend for the NH - and pob lwc Cymru! bydd ei angen arnoch. (Google says)

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:New OP.

Late and messy. But 606v2 isn't good for me. But I like to watch from the touchline.

Here's to another good weekend for the NH - and pob lwc Cymru! bydd ei angen arnoch. (Google says)

You're a legend for maintaining this thread.

Some people spell that worg as leg end.

And they're probably correct...

Second in the world...

Yep the view is mighty fine from up here

Am I right in thinking we're the only 6Ns team to ever make 2nd or higher?

Ireland got into 2nd back in 2015 before the World Cup.

Kind of an update.

1 New Zealand 96.1
2 England 88.5
3 South Africa 86.03
4 Australia 85.43
5 Argentina 82.87
6 Wales 82.49
7 Ireland 81.96
8 Scotland 79.5
9 France 78.09
10 Fiji 77.14
11 Japan 75.89
12 Georgia 73.57
13 Italy 71.57
14 Tonga 70.56
15 Samoa 70.27
16 Romania 68.74
17 Canada 65.19
18 USA 64.89
19 Uruguay 63.56
20 Russia 62.62

If NZL win by 1-15 points 0 96.1 82.49 No
If NZL win by more than 15 0 96.1 82.49 No
If result is a draw 1 95.1 83.49 No
If Wal win by 1-15 points 2 94.1 84.49 No
If Wal win by more than 15 3 93.1 85.49 No

Aus win by 1-15 points 1.007 86.44 87.49 No
If Aus win by more than 15 1.51 86.94 86.99 No
If result is a draw 0.007 85.44 88.49 No
If Eng win by 1-15 points 0.993 84.44 89.49 No
If Eng win by more than 15 1.49 83.94 89.99 No

If SA win by 1-15 points 0.293 86.32 81.67 No
If SA win by more than 15 0.439 86.47 81.52 No
If result is a draw 0.707 85.32 82.67 No
If Ire win by 1-15 points 1.707 84.32 83.67 No
If Ire win by more than 15 2.561 83.47 84.52 Yes

Thanks. Interesting that England overtook Australia last weekend, but Australia can't overtake England this weekend. I assume that is because their is a slight bias to the away team in the points exchange.

Also interesting - Australia will overtake South Africa is they do as well as them.

And Ireland could move to third in the rankings, if they win by 15 or more, and Australia lose.

So since the summer tours have began

England has gone up
Australia has gone down
South Africa has gone down and up?
Wales has gone down
Scotland has gone up
France has gone down.
And Ireland, busting their balls with 14 men for one game and no oxygen in the second, still haven't moved a f**king inch! There is no justice in this rankings system! Burn it at the stake!

New OP

And it's just a numbers formula - not a beauty contest, SecretFly.

..an inch isn't too much of an ask though, Port. All I ask is an inch of movement to show me the heart is still beating on our formula..

SecretFly wrote:..an inch isn't too much of an ask though, Port.  All I ask is an inch of movement to show me the heart is still beating on our formula..

You sound like my wife

No pillowtalk allowed on Daytime 606 Goose Wait for the watershed.

SecretFly wrote:So since the summer tours have began

England has gone up
Australia has gone down
South Africa has gone down and up?
Wales has gone down
Scotland has gone up
France has gone down.
And Ireland, busting their balls with 14 men for one game and no oxygen in the second, still haven't moved a f**king inch!  There is no justice in this rankings system!  Burn it at the stake!

Could be worse. NZ could whitewash Wales scoring 100 tries to nil over the series and not get one ranking point. Where's the justice?

A big win to ireland will see them up to no 3

At least France did some business in Argentina. So there is a bit more hope for the NH.

If I'm correct, Ireland* and wales both go up one

* There you go, Fly - it's not a beauty contest  

New OP.

Bit weird to see Argentina dropping to the 9th position. If they have a bad RC and AI they could be 3rd seed in the WC which is not good news for anyone!

Current world rankings

1. New Zealand 96.30
2. England 89.49
3. South Africa 85.08
4. Australia 84.23
5. Wales 82.49
6. Ireland 81.67
7. Argentina 81.44
8. France 80.75
9. Scotland 80.44
10. Fiji 75.49

Saturday 10/9/2016 New Zealand vs Argentina in Hamilton

If NZL win by 1-15 points 0.000 96.30 81.44 No
If NZL win by more than 15 0.000 96.30 81.44 No
If result is a draw 1.000 95.30 82.44 No
If Arg win by 1-15 points 2.000 94.30 83.44 No
If Arg win by more than 15 3.000 93.30 84.44 No

NZ are assured of the No.1 spot irrespective of the result.

Argentina cannot drop lower in the rankings due to the points differential. However a win would see them overtake Wales and rise to no 5. in the world. Even a draw would take them ahead of Ireland (No. 6) If they win and Australia lose they overtake them, and a big win would take them ahead of Australia if they draw, South Africa if they lose big.

Saturday 10/9/2016 Australia vs South Africa

If Aus win by 1-15 points 0.785 85.02 84.30 Yes
If Aus win by more than 15 1.177 85.41 83.90 Yes
If result is a draw 0.215 84.02 85.30 No
If SA win by 1-15 points 1.215 83.02 86.30 No
If SA win by more than 15 1.823 82.41 86.90 No

Australia will  overtake South Africa (No. 3) should they win. A big loss would see them fall below  Wales (No.5). Should Argentina win big, Australia need to win to stay ahead of them. If Argentina win, Australia still need a win to maintain the No. 4 spot.

South Africa cannot overtake England (No.2) and they cannot fall below Wales. They will trade places with Australia (No.4) if they lose. A big loss and a big win by Argentina would see them fall to No.5.

World rankings

1 New Zealand 96.30
2 England 89.49
3 Australia 85.02
4 South Africa 84.30
5 Wales 82.49
6 Ireland 81.67
7 Argentina 81.44
8 France 80.75
9 Scotland 80.44
10 Fiji 75.49

New Zealand v South Africa

If NZL win by 1-15 points 0.000 96.30 84.30 No
If NZL win by more than 15 0.000 96.30 84.30 No
If result is a draw 1.000 95.30 85.30 No
If SA win by 1-15 points 2.000 94.30 86.30 No
If SA win by more than 15 3.000 93.30 87.30 No

Australia v Argentina

If Aus win by 1-15 points 0.342 85.36 81.10 No
If Aus win by more than 15 0.513 85.53 80.93 No
If result is a draw 0.658 84.36 82.10 No
If Arg win by 1-15 points 1.658 83.36 83.10 No
If Arg win by more than 15 2.487 82.53 83.93 Yes

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Re: World Rugby Rankings

Post by Not grey and not a ghost on Tue 13 Sep 2016, 1:09 pm
World rankings

1 New Zealand 96.30
2 England 89.49
3 Australia 85.53
4 South Africa 84.30
5 Wales 82.49
6 Ireland 81.67
7 Argentina 80.93
8 France 80.75
9 Scotland 80.44
10 Fiji 75.49

Argentina v New Zealand

If ARG win by 1-15 points 2.000 82.93 94.30 No
If ARG win by more than 15 3.000 83.93 93.30 No
If result is a draw 1.000 81.93 95.30 No
If NZ win by 1-15 points 0.000 80.93 96.30 No
If NZ win by more than 15 0.000 80.93 96.30 No

South Africa v Australia

If SA win by 1-15 points 0.823 85.12 84.71 Yes
If SA win by more than 15 1.235 85.53 84.30 Yes
If result is a draw 0.177 84.12 85.71 No
If AUS win by 1-15 points 1.177 83.12 86.71 No
If AUS win by more than 15 1.765 82.53 87.30 No

Key points.

South Africa win they overtake Australia
Argentina win they overtake Ireland and Wales.

Doesn't any win for Argentina see them move above Wales? 82.93>82.49. Also a draw would see them leapfrog Ireland. Finally a combination of a win for Argentina and a big win for Aus, or a big win for Argentina and any win for Aus would actually see Argentina overtake SA into fourth. Obviously any win at all for Argentina seems highly unlikely, but the pedant in me though it was worth pointing out

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Doesn't any win for Argentina see them move above Wales? 82.93>82.49. Also a draw would see them leapfrog Ireland. Finally a combination of a win for Argentina and a big win for Aus, or a big win for Argentina and any win for Aus would actually see Argentina overtake SA into fourth. Obviously any win at all for Argentina seems highly unlikely, but the pedant in me though it was worth pointing out

Yep you're right.

Are South Africa really better than Ireland and Wales? I'm not so sure.

GunsGerms wrote:Are South Africa really better than Ireland and Wales? I'm not so sure.

We'll find out soon enough...

lostinwales wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Are South Africa really better than Ireland and Wales? I'm not so sure.

We'll find out soon enough...

Well Ireland arent playing SA again this year but I really think Wales should stuff them in Cardiff.

I am not sure about SA but OZ look like a better team to me now then when England toured there. They are playing with more confidence and structure.
SA on the other hand look to be in a bit of a pickle - low on confidence. Perhaps with Lambie pulling a few strings they will get a few results. Certainly all home nations will have a good crack at them - depending on how strong their fielded teams will be.