Wales v All Blacks Match thread, Poll, and Previews

[maestegmafia]

First topic message reminder :

So this week saw the fans calls for players unused the week before who are in form this season answered and we lost to Samoa, we also lost more players to injury.

So what next...?

Wales offered little in impetus yet again. Few of the form players made a difference against Samoa. Wales have to make a massive improvement in every aspect of their game for next weeks match vs the ABs but what are your suggestions...???

Wales team:
Leigh Halfpenny; Alex Cuthbert, Jonathan Davies, Jamie Roberts, George North; Rhys Priestland, Mike Phillips; Paul James, Matthew Rees, Aaron Jarvis, Bradley Davies, Luke Charteris, Ryan Jones, Sam Warburton (captain), Toby Faletau

Replacements:
Ken Owens, Gethin Jenkins, Scott Andrews, Aaron Shingler, Justin Tipuric, Tavis Knoyle, James Hook, Scott Williams


New Zealand team:
Israel Dagg, Cory Jane, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Julian Savea, Daniel Carter, Aaron Smith, Kieran Read, Richie McCaw, Liam Messam, Sam Whitelock, Luke Romano, Owen Franks, Andrew Hore, Tony Woodcock.

Replacements: Dane Coles, Wyatt Crockett, Charlie Faumuina, Brodie Retallick, Victor Vito, Piri Weepu, Aaron Cruden, Ben Smith.

[RogerLewis]

Nice to see Wales playing a 15man game for once

Wales deserve the match just for the 15 man lineout. Genius.

I have to admit its a tactic which is under used IMO.

I expect to see a 16 man lineout at the Liberty Stadium

[Guest]

The decision not to kick for goal is baffling, especially when Preistland twice turns those kickable penalties into AB scrums.

Put Hook on now.

Give it a break you are like a broken record ................ 1/2p takes the kicks and makes the decisions whether to go for goal, the unwrtten rule is the kicker i.e. 1/2p makes the decision to kick
Perhaps you should be looking at the non existant defending of Cuthbert and Faletau, and the dire defence for both tries

Is this another one of your fairy land unwritten rules? You know the place where the back-row is called the back 3? I thought the captain made those decisions anyway, but it was obviously Gatlands intent for them to get tries on the board so I suppose he instructed them to do so before the game.

Despite him trying to convince us otherwise, he is a Scarlets sympathiser. 1/2p being blamed for not asking to kick for goal is a new low for a Scarlet fan trying to justify Priestland's poor performance. Even I could kick a peno to touch.

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Dont attempt to say something I am not (Scarlet sympathiser) .........
I am not blaming 1/2p at all (when did I say that)........... I am just stating that two non kicks at goal is not blamed at one guy (Priestland) alone, the Welsh direction was clear.......... the coach, captain and main goal kicker makes the decision whether to kick for goarl or not

Come on mate, it's even quoted for you above. You said Halfpenny makes the decision, which is not true. He simply recommends whether he can make it, but it's the skipper's decision. That is basics. You know you lean towards the Scarlets too, despite the fact you're Scottish.

Risca
"wales606 wrote:
The decision not to kick for goal is baffling, especially when Preistland twice turns those kickable penalties into AB scrums.

Put Hook on now."

Risca
I was commentating on wales606 trying to say that RP turned down those kicks........... sorry it wasnt his decision and its below the belt to run a player down for something he has no conytrol over and then of course this Morgannwg chap makes yet another inflamatory remark from another previous thread" and then states as per usual I am "always wrong"......... this is a forum site which are posters opinions not facts (right or wrong). Its getting boring when a poster tries to inflame the situ every time

I am not biased towards the Scarlets, I think Hook should have started and I have said that on previous posts, I also think Ryan Jones should have played 8, and Bradley Davies should have started with Charteris. It was just amazing when you saw so many defensive errors and missed or even worse non tackles that all poster could comment on was Prieslands misfiring kicks

Fair enough FHF, I'm not like Morgs and couldn't pick a fight in an empty room. I didn't really see that post you've highlighted, so I'll apologise for that. I only noticed yours as it was part of a long winded quoting thing. I do think you lean to the Scarlets a wee bit though, but I do think you're credible for backing Hook to start (we need to try something new now). In my defence, I was on Salisbury Plain for a week and not allowed my phone and so I have missed a lot and have been skim reading. As I say, I'll rightly apologise for the quote you corrected re Priestland choosing to kick for touch.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Scoreline really wasnt that bad in the end all things considered

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Nice to see Wales playing a 15man game for once

Wales deserve the match just for the 15 man lineout. Genius.

I have to admit its a tactic which is under used IMO.

I expect to see a 16 man lineout at the Liberty Stadium

[disneychilly]

The All Blacks have been offside since about 1903...

How long have Wales been crap then?

Since the early 90's... excluding 5N, 6N of course. I blame league!

Oh that's right I forgot. They'll hark back to the glory days of the 70s when they still didn't beat South Africa or NZ...

Why are you being a Tinkywinky???

Hey everyone else is playing why can't I stir the pot?

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

PS Gatland is saying it was his guidance that they would chase tries rather than kick the goals.

[wales606]

[quote="Risca Rev"]

The decision not to kick for goal is baffling, especially when Preistland twice turns those kickable penalties into AB scrums.

Put Hook on now.

Give it a break you are like a broken record ................ 1/2p takes the kicks and makes the decisions whether to go for goal, the unwrtten rule is the kicker i.e. 1/2p makes the decision to kick
Perhaps you should be looking at the non existant defending of Cuthbert and Faletau, and the dire defence for both tries

Is this another one of your fairy land unwritten rules? You know the place where the back-row is called the back 3? I thought the captain made those decisions anyway, but it was obviously Gatlands intent for them to get tries on the board so I suppose he instructed them to do so before the game.

Despite him trying to convince us otherwise, he is a Scarlets sympathiser. 1/2p being blamed for not asking to kick for goal is a new low for a Scarlet fan trying to justify Priestland's poor performance. Even I could kick a peno to touch.

]

Dont attempt to say something I am not (Scarlet sympathiser) .........
I am not blaming 1/2p at all (when did I say that)........... I am just stating that two non kicks at goal is not blamed at one guy (Priestland) alone, the Welsh direction was clear.......... the coach, captain and main goal kicker makes the decision whether to kick for goarl or not

Come on mate, it's even quoted for you above. You said Halfpenny makes the decision, which is not true. He simply recommends whether he can make it, but it's the skipper's decision. That is basics. You know you lean towards the Scarlets too, despite the fact you're Scottish.

Risca
"wales606 wrote:
The decision not to kick for goal is baffling, especially when Preistland twice turns those kickable penalties into AB scrums.

Put Hook on now."

Risca
I was commentating on wales606 trying to say that RP turned down those kicks........... sorry it wasnt his decision and its below the belt to run a player down for something he has no conytrol over and then of course this Morgannwg chap makes yet another inflamatory remark from another previous thread" and then states as per usual I am "always wrong"......... this is a forum site which are posters opinions not facts (right or wrong). Its getting boring when a poster tries to inflame the situ every time

I am not biased towards the Scarlets, I think Hook should have started and I have said that on previous posts, I also think Ryan Jones should have played 8, and Bradley Davies should have started with Charteris. It was just amazing when you saw so many defensive errors and missed or even worse non tackles that all poster could comment on was Prieslands misfiring kicks

I didnt say that Preistland turns down the kicks? I said that he kicked dead from those penalties twice.

[thebluesmancometh]

By the trick plays, and general talk Ive heard it's clear Gatland is terrified of the AB's and easily concedes they are far better!!

What we needed today was to attack the basics, do simple things, efficiently and at pace!!! Not throw 13 men into a lineout.

[wales606]

Nice to see Wales playing a 15man game for once

Wales deserve the match just for the 15 man lineout. Genius.

I have to admit its a tactic which is under used IMO.

I expect to see a 16 man lineout at the Liberty Stadium

But Lee Byrne has gone?

The crowd are the 16th man - so if you take one player off, can you bring the entire crowd on for the lineout?

[Looseheaded]

Nice to see Wales playing a 15man game for once

Wales deserve the match just for the 15 man lineout. Genius.

I have to admit its a tactic which is under used IMO.

I expect to see a 16 man lineout at the Liberty Stadium

[Duty281]

The comedy series featuring the Welsh rugby team will be ending next week on the BBC. It started with Warburton saying that Wales can win all 4 games, before promptly being beaten at home by Argentina (recently battered by Ireland), Samoa, New Zealand (scoring less points than Scotland did) and will culminate in a hammering to the Aussies. A second series is commissioned for early 2013.

The Welsh rugby team - better comedy than Only Fools and Horses!

[gregortree]

for the Welsh lineout try, real determination & grit there.

[RogerLewis]

You could have the entire Ospreys crowd in the lineout and they still wouldn't win a Heineken cup quarter final.

[flyhalffactory]

The decision not to kick for goal is baffling, especially when Preistland twice turns those kickable penalties into AB scrums.

Put Hook on now.

Give it a break you are like a broken record ................ 1/2p takes the kicks and makes the decisions whether to go for goal, the unwrtten rule is the kicker i.e. 1/2p makes the decision to kick
Perhaps you should be looking at the non existant defending of Cuthbert and Faletau, and the dire defence for both tries

Is this another one of your fairy land unwritten rules? You know the place where the back-row is called the back 3? I thought the captain made those decisions anyway, but it was obviously Gatlands intent for them to get tries on the board so I suppose he instructed them to do so before the game.

Despite him trying to convince us otherwise, he is a Scarlets sympathiser. 1/2p being blamed for not asking to kick for goal is a new low for a Scarlet fan trying to justify Priestland's poor performance. Even I could kick a peno to touch.

]

Dont attempt to say something I am not (Scarlet sympathiser) .........
I am not blaming 1/2p at all (when did I say that)........... I am just stating that two non kicks at goal is not blamed at one guy (Priestland) alone, the Welsh direction was clear.......... the coach, captain and main goal kicker makes the decision whether to kick for goarl or not

Come on mate, it's even quoted for you above. You said Halfpenny makes the decision, which is not true. He simply recommends whether he can make it, but it's the skipper's decision. That is basics. You know you lean towards the Scarlets too, despite the fact you're Scottish.

Risca
"wales606 wrote:
The decision not to kick for goal is baffling, especially when Preistland twice turns those kickable penalties into AB scrums.

Put Hook on now."

Risca
I was commentating on wales606 trying to say that RP turned down those kicks........... sorry it wasnt his decision and its below the belt to run a player down for something he has no conytrol over and then of course this Morgannwg chap makes yet another inflamatory remark from another previous thread" and then states as per usual I am "always wrong"......... this is a forum site which are posters opinions not facts (right or wrong). Its getting boring when a poster tries to inflame the situ every time

I am not biased towards the Scarlets, I think Hook should have started and I have said that on previous posts, I also think Ryan Jones should have played 8, and Bradley Davies should have started with Charteris. It was just amazing when you saw so many defensive errors and missed or even worse non tackles that all poster could comment on was Prieslands misfiring kicks

Where did I state that? I said that when you're wrong you can't admit it. You are still adamant the back row is called the back three and that the kicker makes the decisions on whether to punt or kick for goal. You are wrong on both. And you are Scarlet biased despite being Scottish. I look forward to another one of your outbursts which will surely boil over soon.

"Can't admit you're wrong as always. Pathetic and bitter old man springs to mind."
THATS WHERE YOU SAID IT

By the way "Back 3" in relation to the scrum is a common term especially in the training enviroment and especially when I was playing the game. If you have ever played the game and listened on the training pitch on scrummaging techniques Back Three movement is common

[Guest]

The comedy series featuring the Welsh rugby team will be ending next week on the BBC. It started with Warburton saying that Wales can win all 4 games, before promptly being beaten at home by Argentina (recently battered by Ireland), Samoa, New Zealand (scoring less points than Scotland did) and will culminate in a hammering to the Aussies. A second series is commissioned for early 2013.

The Welsh rugby team - better comedy than Only Fools and Horses!

He said they were aiming to win 4 games, you inbred tw@t. Everyone aims to win all of their games.

[Duty281]

The comedy series featuring the Welsh rugby team will be ending next week on the BBC. It started with Warburton saying that Wales can win all 4 games, before promptly being beaten at home by Argentina (recently battered by Ireland), Samoa, New Zealand (scoring less points than Scotland did) and will culminate in a hammering to the Aussies. A second series is commissioned for early 2013.

The Welsh rugby team - better comedy than Only Fools and Horses!

He said they were aiming to win 4 games, you inbred tw@t. Everyone aims to win all of their games.

Oh dear, using personal insults to get your point across. Did I touch a nerve? Does the truth hurt?

[Guest]

The truth is fine. It's the twist of words to suit your own fantasies that get me swinging (and not in the same way as your mum and dad go swinging, before you say it).

[Morgannwg]

"Can't admit you're wrong as always. Pathetic and bitter old man springs to mind."
THATS WHERE YOU SAID IT

By the way "Back 3" in relation to the scrum is a common term especially in the training enviroment and especially when I was playing the game. If you have ever played the game and listened on the training pitch on scrummaging techniques Back Three movement is common

Yeah and I've just explained to you what I meant. Your tired media tactics of misquoting people are backfiring today. And you've misquoted Wales606 so how about an apology to him?

No back three is a term to describe the wingers and full back. I have never heard anyone refer to the back row as back three ever since I've played the game. Nobody else has either. If it was a term used in the 70s then it is my duty to tell you the game has moved on since then.

[Morgannwg]

The comedy series featuring the Welsh rugby team will be ending next week on the BBC. It started with Warburton saying that Wales can win all 4 games, before promptly being beaten at home by Argentina (recently battered by Ireland), Samoa, New Zealand (scoring less points than Scotland did) and will culminate in a hammering to the Aussies. A second series is commissioned for early 2013.

The Welsh rugby team - better comedy than Only Fools and Horses!

He said they were aiming to win 4 games, you inbred tw@t. Everyone aims to win all of their games.

Oh dear, using personal insults to get your point across. Did I touch a nerve? Does the truth hurt?

England can't put a try past Wales let alone beat them. Is this also a comedy I have not heard of? Please do tell.

[gregortree]

oh no, not Wales fans at civil war now ?

[HERSH]

To be fair Morgan we can put a try past anyone?

[Morgannwg]

You can put a fair few past Fiji but is that much to cheer about? Ireland's 2nd team did a better job.

[majesticimperialman]

Did Wales lose today because NZ was better and took the points when on offer?

Or was it the amount of injuries that Wales had in the first half make the difference?

Wales did look better in the last part of the second half than they did in the first half. But that is just my opinion.

[HERSH]

Very Good Morgan but do try to stay on topic.

Lets face it come the end NZ had most of their 2nd string on the field plus they gave up around the 50min mark.

[gregortree]

Wales looked better than the scoreline for a lot of the match.
But a combo of AB dirty play and AB sublime play did them in.

[Guest]

Did Wales lose today because NZ was better and took the points when on offer?

Or was it the amount of injuries that Wales had in the first half make the difference?

Wales did look better in the last part of the second half than they did in the first half. But that is just my opinion.

No Wales fans have blamed the injuries. We've all been consistent in our opinion that we made bad mistakes and out tackling was poor. At least on here. Not sure where you've been this evening though of course.

[Morgannwg]

Very Good Morgan but do try to stay on topic.

Lets face it come the end NZ had most of their 2nd string on the field plus they gave up around the 50min mark.

I didn't see a NZ second string all tour, that's the NZ Maori isn't it?

Wasn't as horrific as I thought it would be. Yet again we weren't good enough and the error count from us was ridiculous. But it was good to see some urgency and what looked like pride to be wearing the red jersey again. That was definitely lacking from the previous two tests. Too bad we have as many injuries as Australia do now.

[thebluesmancometh]

HERSH

If NZ had their 2nd string on by the end Wales had their 2nd string team on from the 1st minute, you know missing Jones, Mitchell, then Jarvis, AWJ, Evans then Davies, Hibbard, Lydiate thats an entire pack!!!!

When written down it does put things into a bit more perspective.

[anotherworldofpain]

Bluesman, you owe me a pint.

And it's the last time I take your advice on who will win, luckily I had a rush of common sense before the game kicked off and changed my prediction on the prediction thread.

[disneychilly]

Apologies from this corner for one of those injuries again. He may as well fly home now. Doesn't deserve to be anywhere near an AB shirt for that sort of behaviour.

[tatterd]

The comedy series featuring the Welsh rugby team will be ending next week on the BBC. It started with Warburton saying that Wales can win all 4 games, before promptly being beaten at home by Argentina (recently battered by Ireland), Samoa, New Zealand (scoring less points than Scotland did) and will culminate in a hammering to the Aussies. A second series is commissioned for early 2013.

The Welsh rugby team - better comedy than Only Fools and Horses!

Remind me how Engerland did today Dooty.

PS better get to bed - school for you on Monday

[anotherworldofpain]

DC, it was no worse than the Greyling incident, and to be fair the Welsh player was lazy running, so despite the high hit, it was "what he deserved" right?

If he gets more than Greyling's two weeks, it will be a continuation of the NZ v judiciary farce.

[Morgannwg]

All Blacks are just cheap shot thugs. End of.

[eirebilly]

DC, it was no worse than the Greyling incident, and to be fair the Welsh player was lazy running, so despite the high hit, it was "what he deserved" right?

If he gets more than Greyling's two weeks, it will be a continuation of the NZ v judiciary farce.

You never cease to amaze me

[tatterd]

DC, it was no worse than the Greyling incident, and to be fair the Welsh player was lazy running, so despite the high hit, it was "what he deserved" right?

If he gets more than Greyling's two weeks, it will be a continuation of the NZ v judiciary farce.

Awop fair do's you are priceless

[anotherworldofpain]

The truth is always priceless, tatterd.

[disneychilly]

Careful Morgan. Every country has some bad apples. Could go on about Andy Powell on McCaw here for an eg.

AWOP I don't give a stuff really about that. Two wrongs don't make a right. Hore should get four to six weeks. Of course Greyling should have had longer but new precedents have to be set to better deal with inconsistencies.

You have to start somewhere and invariably someone will be cheesed off.

[RogerLewis]

Rhys Priestland or Ryland off Xfactor to start against Australia?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Pal Joey]

Apologies from this corner for one of those injuries again. He may as well fly home now. Doesn't deserve to be anywhere near an AB shirt for that sort of behaviour.

Yeah, let's hope he changes planes in Singapore and heads to Darwin. Plenty of cattle rustling jobs up there under Keith Murdoch.

[PJHolybloke]

Hardly surprising you see it that way awop, what with it being a snide, cowardly, manless offence, so much in common...

Honestly, you're not even funny anymore, you're just a sad, whiney, moaning, mewling, deluded puke.

You're actually a caricature of yourself.

You're not quite clever enough to engage in an honest meaningful debate, and not quite stupid enough to be excused from it either.

[eirebilly]

PJ, tell us how you feel

[Guest]

Apologies from this corner for one of those injuries again. He may as well fly home now. Doesn't deserve to be anywhere near an AB shirt for that sort of behaviour.

No apology needed, but good of you anyway. Not your fault, or any NZ fans. We've all got players who have done things.

My main frustration was that the game started with such a buzz, great atmosphere, we seem really fired up, but the two injuries stopped the game so early and took the buzz out of it!

Never mind, these things happen. Well beaten, as I expected, so no complaints at all from me.

[majesticimperialman]

Another loss for Wales. And this time with Warren Gatland incharge.

Is that not 6 in a row now? Even if todays loss was against the best team in the World.

Oh well. It looks like it is up to England to put a stop to the All Blacks winning streak.

Now that would be worth a bet on. Dont you think?

[Morgannwg]

Another loss for Wales. And this time with Warren Gatland incharge.

Is that not 6 in a row now? Even if todays loss was against the best team in the World.

Oh well. It looks like it is up to England to put a stop to the All Blacks winning streak.

Now that would be worth a bet on. Dont you think?

Yeah. Please put your house on England winning maj. That way you lose your home so don't have internet access. Result.

[anotherworldofpain]

Careful Morgan. Every country has some bad apples. Could go on about Andy Powell on McCaw here for an eg.

AWOP I don't give a stuff really about that. Two wrongs don't make a right. Hore should get four to six weeks. Of course Greyling should have had longer but new precedents have to be set to better deal with inconsistencies.

You have to start somewhere and invariably someone will be cheesed off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6xxo75RkCw

Not without a history himself, this Bradley Davies. I put it to you that he knew just what he was doing approaching the AB ruck from the wrong side...

[glamorganalun]

I predicted 50+ victory to the AB's and it looked like it at half time but I felt the score was not a true reflection of the game even with a donkey at flyhalf. The second half was much better but Hook coming on at 65mins was 65mins too late to have any chance. I don''t think Wales missed Roberts as Scott Williams offers so much more also Liam Williams had a very good game. Shingler, Faletau and Warburton played well despite the ref making mistakes.

Next weeks game should be much closer but Wales are running out of second rows but North is likely to be fit.

[thebluesmancometh]

AWOP

Are you going to copy and paste the same tired argument on every thread

[anotherworldofpain]

Yes, Scott Williams looked very good, as did Liam. I think Wales actually improved without the bosh-bosh twins.

I've always said Cuthbert is Wales best running wing, unfortunately he needs to learn to come in field like Chris Ashton and Julian Savea.

[Morgannwg]

awop, someone just pointed out to you on another thread that your link is irrelevant. Plus it's not even a cheap shot from behind. Those are left to your players it seems. So why are you regurgitating your nonsense back over on this thread? You've been paranoid all year mentioning how people are going to start attacking the haka, etc.. I think this proves that you finally need to see a shrink.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Careful Morgan. Every country has some bad apples. Could go on about Andy Powell on McCaw here for an eg.

AWOP I don't give a stuff really about that. Two wrongs don't make a right. Hore should get four to six weeks. Of course Greyling should have had longer but new precedents have to be set to better deal with inconsistencies.

You have to start somewhere and invariably someone will be cheesed off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6xxo75RkCw

Not without a history himself, this Bradley Davies. I put it to you that he knew just what he was doing approaching the AB ruck from the wrong side...

That was just a clear out though....

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