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Post by Guest Wed 28 Nov 2012, 9:54 am

Task 3

The FA has recently opened St George's Park, England's new National Football Centre and home to 24 National teams and FA Learning (the FA’s educational department). St. George’s Park will provide a platform for the communication of The Future Game philosophy, which outlines a vision for the development of English football.

Your task is simple: give me your top three priorities for developing the English game. Whether it's changing the coaching at youth levels or making all stadiums standing-only, I want three top changes you would make through St George's Park that would have a long-term positive effect on the fortunes of out national side.

The deadline for this is 2359 on Thursday 6 December 2012 (my Birthday!).

Teams need to be mixed up following Olly's departure. So they are as follows:

Team Scholes:
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Zebs - CAPTAIN - FIRED
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Afro - FIRED

Team Wilshere:
Viva - FIRED
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Gregers - CAPTAIN

Good luck - may the force be with you. Please ask any questions you need to.


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Post by Guest Fri 30 Nov 2012, 8:04 pm

GSC will shadow Team Scholes, and I will shadow Team Wilshere.

Thanks to GSC for helping out.

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Post by Guest Wed 05 Dec 2012, 10:25 am

Azzrentice deadline is tomorrow night at 2359 people.

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Post by Trebs Thu 06 Dec 2012, 6:22 pm

TEAM SCHOLES SUBMISSION:


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Post by Trebs Thu 06 Dec 2012, 6:22 pm

Also, I will not be around at all tomorrow, ironically because I'm working at the U21 FA Cup Laugh

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Post by Gregers Thu 06 Dec 2012, 9:05 pm

Team Wilshere Submission:

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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 9:51 am

Azzrentice will start at 1030. Well done to both teams, particularly Team Scholes' two members clap

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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 10:32 am

Good morning Ladies and Gentlemen.

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Post by sodhat Fri 07 Dec 2012, 10:34 am

Morning Lord Azzy

Morning the rest of you cocksuckers

Laugh (please don't count that against me, I was joking)


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Post by Trebs Fri 07 Dec 2012, 10:36 am

Morning.azzy

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Post by Marky Fri 07 Dec 2012, 10:38 am

Morning Lord Azzy. Hope you had a terrific birthday.

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Post by FIFA Diva Fri 07 Dec 2012, 10:38 am

Morning Lord Azzy xx
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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 10:40 am

Your task was a very simple one this week. All you needed to do was give me three ideas on how best to improve the English game.

Let's look at how you did.

Team Wilshere - your captain was Gregers. Good captain? Does he know his tiki-taka from his tactics? I want to hear from you all about Gregers' leadership, who did what, and what you think of your teammates' contributions. You have until 1055.

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Post by sodhat Fri 07 Dec 2012, 10:43 am

Gregers was a good captain, he got the page up, opened the floor and then selected those he thought best. Everyone was then tasked clearly with what they had to do and the final presentation was well constructed. Importantly he also made clear who did what!

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Post by sodhat Fri 07 Dec 2012, 10:44 am

By the way, I'm out of office from around 11:00ish so may not be around for the second half of this.

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Post by FIFA Diva Fri 07 Dec 2012, 10:45 am

I think with a little encourangement and pushing Gregers did well, I just feel that he didn't really question us and took our first answers.
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Post by Hero Fri 07 Dec 2012, 10:47 am

I thought he was adequate but not exceptional, he wasn't about really until Tuesday to participate which was 4 days in to the task by which point I'd completed my section and despite instructions and warnings he still went ahead and added a 4th section about the female game that IMO opinion would have been better spent concentrating on the three points at hand.

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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 10:55 am

Thank you Team Wilshere.

Team Scholes - your captain was Zebs. Good Team Captain? I want to hear from the two of you by 1105 about what happened on this task.

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Post by Marky Fri 07 Dec 2012, 10:58 am

As you probably already know, Zebs didn't show up at all in the duration of the task, and while Trebs and I opened up the debate to prolong waiting for Zebs, it was left to Trebs and I to cobble something together yesterday just to make sure we even had a submission!

Zebs as a captain for this task: 0/10

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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:00 am

I'm going out at 1130, so this will be over by then FYI.

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Post by Trebs Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:05 am

Zebs didn't show up so me and marky showed iniyiative and worked together.

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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:05 am

Thank you to both teams. I've made my decision.

Team Wilshere - you were crippled by not receiving contributions from two team members. Before we go any further, I can tell you this:

Zebs - you're fired.
Afro - you're fired.

I appreciate you getting a submission together with half the people that the other team had. Your big plus point was referring to the Future Game Philosophy, which was crucial in this task.

You did however refer to me as 'Sir' Azzy, which I did not appreciate.

Team Scholes - thank you for your birthday wishes. You clearly played to people's strengths in this task. Hero did an okay job explaining his theories, Viva put together a small piece on psychology that didn't really solve the problem (if there even is one), and Soddy's piece on nationalism was okay. The bit about ladies football is worth exploring by the FA.

Based on this task, and the contributions from a team of 2 vs a team of 4, my decision is this:

Team Wilshere...

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Post by Afro Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:07 am

Darn, I didn't see that coming.

I would have had time to contribute next week as well Sad
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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:13 am

You have lost this task. Based on:

- it being 4 vs 2
- the other team reading the Future Game Philosophy
- their bit on the Development League, which is a good idea
- parts of your submission not being up to scratch.

Team Scholes - back to the house you two. Your treat is to write me a 100-word essay on why Robin van Persie's effort was NOT over the line.

Team Wilshere - start your fighting now. At 1130 I will fire one of you.

What I liked:

1. Good detail on youth coaching
2. National identity
3. Ladies football

What I didn't like:

1. Psychology
2. "We can't bring about a cultural shift for the entire nation, that is down to politicians (aside from being improbable, bordering on impossible); but we can use football and history as a motivator for young players still unsure of where their international aspirations may lie." - this is tripe, football can bring about a cultural shift within the game itself. This was your chance to show how it can be done.
3. If we implemented these three ideas, would English football be better off in 6-8 years' time?
4. Did Gregers actually do anything?

At 1130, it's sacking time.

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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:14 am

Maybe 1125, I really have to go at 1130 Laugh

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Post by Gregers Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:19 am

1) Psychology was Viva's idea, as Team Leader I agreed with it as I think it is true that the players coming through quite often are not prepared for the pressure of matches/constant media scrutiny.

2) I disagree on that Lord Azzy, the suggestions we put forward were to benefit football. Causing a cultural shift is nigh on impossible, as history shows us!

3) I believe that implementing these ideas would allow English Football to improve in 5 years time. Especially on the youth development we put into practice.

4) I can't answer that as it would be biased

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Post by sodhat Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:21 am

1. Psychology
Could have been better developed, but the idea behind it was sound I thought.

2. "We can't bring about a cultural shift for the entire nation, that is down to politicians (aside from being improbable, bordering on impossible); but we can use football and history as a motivator for young players still unsure of where their international aspirations may lie." - this is tripe, football can bring about a cultural shift within the game itself. This was your chance to show how it can be done.

I fail to see your point. That statement was about how different cultures aren't likely to be bound by football alone. It can help, but then it's explained how we would unite youngsters playing the game and how they would be motivated to play for England, of how we can make them feel an identity. That was the remit of the task, who cares if I want to have muslims and jews holding hands and skipping across Regents Park?

3. If we implemented these three ideas, would English football be better off in 6-8 years' time?

Possibly not, but then I suppose it's a long term commitment. I think coaching would have quicker impact.

4. Did Gregers actually do anything?

A bit harsh of a question, he put the piece together and added his blurb parts. He also directed us to do our individual bits.

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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:22 am

Tell me what you did then Gregers - was it just to agree to the three parts, then add on an unneccessary bit at the end? Or did you push your team, question them on what they wrote?

Viva's piece on psychology was poor:

"Gaining an advantage off the pitch is just as important as gaining an advantage on the pitch. The "This Is Anfield" is psychological warfare getting to the opponenets before the game."

You have more chance of achieving a cultural shift in football than of bringing psychological warfare to international football.

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Post by FIFA Diva Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:25 am

Gregers has to go he was poor leader, didnt expand things went for the first one he heard. If he was on more maybe we would have time to explore other venues but ht was happy to go with the firts thing we said. Poor leadership
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Post by Hero Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:26 am

In regards to the point about if it will benefit the game in 6-8 years time, then the answer is probably no, this is about changing the complete mindset of how our children are taught so were talking the kids who are currently under 8 being the ones predominately targeted, from that then you're looking at 10 years minimum.

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Post by Gregers Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:27 am

Once it became clear that we had, what I believed to be, three strong ideas I then asked for paragraphs on all of these. If any of them had not been what I was looking for I would have mentioned it there. I was tempted to extend on Viva's bit but felt this wouldn't have come across well given that I had agreed with it.

The "unnecessary bit" is subjective as I felt that it added to the piece and showed that we had considered something outside of the box.

For me Viva should be the one to go as his contribution was the part you didn't like and a tumbleweed smiley

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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:28 am

I've made my decision.

Gregers - you could have done this better. The three pieces were written but not quizzed, expanded, improved.

Hero - you wrote a good piece, as I'd expect. Was it too predictable? Were you the 'safe' option?

Viva - very disappointing piece, as the master of psychological warfare against horses of various sizes I expected better.

Soddy - nationalism is a difficult topic, you were going to lose regardless.

My decision is this...

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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:29 am

Hero, you're safe. Just. Step out of your comfort zone next time okay?

Soddy - you're safe too, as you just cannot win with a piece like that. Good job on attempting to cover it.

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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:29 am

Gregers...

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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:30 am

You did an average job as PM, considering the resources to hand...

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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:30 am

But...

Viva, with regret, you're fired heart xxx

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Post by FIFA Diva Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:30 am

The tumbleweed was to spur on my teammates as you seemed to lack the leadership quality and went missing more then Henry in cup finals.
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Post by Guest Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:31 am

Later today I'll post the next task, which is an awesome one The Azzrentice Week 3 3559488474

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Post by FIFA Diva Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:31 am

Thank you Lord Azzy and good luck to the rest of you guys xxx
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Post by Afro Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:39 am

The boss is out for a lot of next week, so was hoping to squeeze through, ready to put in a real effort next week.

I am prepared to sell my time and efforts to the team that bids the highest
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Post by FIFA Diva Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:40 am

No you're out of the competition Afro you can't lady of loose morals yourself.
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Post by FIFA Diva Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:41 am

All I know is in the past two finals of the apprentice I was on the winning side because of my contribution to the side we won. Ask Afro he'll tell you how I helped Gio thrash him in the final. Sweet victory, tasted like breats milk with a hint of honey.
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Post by Afro Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:44 am

Yes, I can. Where does it say I can't.

Viva has lost early in both Apprentices and then coincidentally been on the winning side in the final both times. Both finals have come down to one thing, and I cannot remember Viva's involvement in those particular elements
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Post by Marky Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:45 am

Afro, it wouldn't have taken much for you to make a minor/minimal contribution this week IMO, but I do think the sack was harsh.

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Post by Afro Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:49 am

I had quit last Thursday, so it would have been a bit unfair to suddenly change my mind and take part.

But in truth, I couldn't manage my runner things, let alone Azzrentice, and that is likely to be the case the week after next as well.

I did think about adding my two pennies worth yesterday evening and popped on to offer to type stuff up etc, but you were done by then.
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Post by FIFA Diva Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:51 am

What do you mean? The first final was doing the greatest English XI that Gio won and I did 9 out of the 11 players for him which clearly shows I smashed it.

The next one was doing an all time great XI and while the other team went for the obvious Cafu I made sure that we went for Carlos Alberto who is regarded the best Brazilian FB few others players too.

I am a big game player I have no time for the smaller rounds.
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Post by Afro Fri 07 Dec 2012, 11:59 am

Azzy shouldn't really have put me in a team when he knew I couldn't add anything. It made it lopsided
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Post by Afro Fri 07 Dec 2012, 12:01 pm

The other team went for Thuram instead of Carlos Alberto btw. The deciding factor was Baresi v Moore though

Gio won because he had Matthews ahead of Beckham - and it was Fan and Gio that championed Matthews.
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Post by FIFA Diva Fri 07 Dec 2012, 12:04 pm

You've got a preety good memory Afro.
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Post by Afro Fri 07 Dec 2012, 12:08 pm

I was in one final, and can still see the final task of the last Apprentice in the admin section
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