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Chris Robshaw will not be a Lion in 2013.

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Post by Driver Fri 30 Nov 2012, 7:44 pm

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Lions coach Warren Gatland has told England captain Chris Robshaw that he will not tour Australia with the Lions next year as he is not a natural 7. Robshaw who in his last two outings for England struggled against natural 7s in Michael Hooper and Francois Louw.

Here is the article from the Telegraph.

A bad week became worse for Chris Robshaw on Wednesday when the England captain felt his first cuff around the head by a Kiwi. It was delivered by Warren Gatland, who, in his role as Lions coach, revealed he would only consider specialist opensides for the tour to Australia next summer.
There goes Robshaw’s chances of captaining the British and Irish ­tourists, with Sam Warburton still the outstanding favourite. The Harlequins dynamo has many attributes but one of them is not a claim to be what Gatland calls “a genuine seven”. After having his national leadership widely questioned after the Springboks defeat last Saturday, Robshaw saw his suitability to his national position come under scrutiny as well.

“I feel England struggle for a ­genuine seven,” Gatland said. “Chris has been doing that role and people speak strongly of his leadership qualities. But I think at the moment you need genuine sevens going to Australia, who are competing hard on the ball and being effective. Because Australia don’t just have [David] Pocock, it’s [Michael] Hooper and [Liam] Gill as well. They are all ­quality sevens.”

Gatland believes Robshaw is a victim of the manner in which the Aviva Premiership is refereed. The ­attacking sides, he said, are favoured by the whistleblowers meaning “it’s difficult for a genuine seven to actually get himself in the game”. Listening to Gatland, Robshaw might suspect it will be difficult to actually get himself on the plane. Although, to be fair, Robshaw does have other problems to occupy his mind, with New ­Zealand visiting on Saturday.

Gatland is another with an overload of short-term negativity with which to deal. He must wonder at the moment which of his two hats is the more uncomfortable to don. After concentrating on his Lions duties for the first two autumn Tests, he resumed the reins as Wales coach last week to try to stop the alarming rot of defeats against Argentina and Samoa. And, despite an improved performance against the All Blacks, the statistics make concerning reading – ­whichever hat he is wearing.

Wales falling out of the world’s top eight is one thing, but from a Lions perspective consider the following. If the Millennium Stadium witnesses a fourth successive reversal and England fail to beat the world champions, this will be first time in 15 years when the home nations have failed to record at least one victory against the three southern hemisphere giants between them. But Gatland claimed not to have been shocked by the results, regardless of his own men’s standing as Grand Slam champions.

“The [Rugby Championship] teams have been together for a number of weeks and have come in a little bit sharper and better prepared,” he said. “They have played with an intensity week in and week out which has taken our home unions a little bit of time to get up to speed with. I’m not surprised by that really.

“Last week we had 73 per cent of possession and 57 per cent of territory in the second half – no team does that against the All Blacks. They are the most ruthless team out there. There are some things we need to address but collectively for the four home nations there are a lot of positives we can take from the autumn.”

Gatland is still evidently keen on Warburton, “genuine seven”, as his captain. “He was under a bit of pressure against the All Blacks but I though he was outstanding,” crooned Gatland. Yet there was also a caveat. “If it means picking what we think is the best team and leaving the captain out, I’ll be more than comfortable .”

The former hooker is renowned for playing it with a straight face, although surely it took all his poker prowess to overestimate the strength of this particular hand. “What I am still excited about is the potential a Lions team still has; particularly in certain areas,” Gatland said. “There are a few ­injuries but potentially we are strong in the second row, back row there’s a lot of competition, in the midfield as well and in the back three we have real options. We’re still lacking strength in depth in one or two areas.”

The half-backs are a concern as is the front row. Yet Gatland does not do overt panic and is adamant these are, as they say, early days. Gatland will name his backroom staff in two weeks’ time and, just as he did before this series of internationals sit down with “some key personnel to see what the squad would look like” and then repeat the process before and, for the final time, after the Six Nations.

“Nothing is crystallised at the moment,” said Gatland, speaking at the adidas launch of the Lions shirt. “We are looking at the players that have the form, reputation and pedigree, and seeing where they are, and then looking at the youngsters who are putting up their hands. The obvious example from last weekend is the Irish wing Craig Gilroy. He has put himself into contention.”

Have any players played themselves out of contention? Not in Gatland’s eyes, but you would have to be worried if you are Robshaw – or are ­playing for a French side. “At the weekend Mike Phillips was blowing after 52 minutes – we had to get him off. If the players go to France they take a risk that they won’t reach our standards and expectations.

“In France they tend to have one fitness coach who puts the programme up on the board and it is not monitored as heavily. That’s something we must look at. Are they in the best shape to compete at the highest level even though they might be playing quite well in France?” Questions, questions. All too soon, Gatland will have to supply the answers.
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Post by EngInAuck Sat 01 Dec 2012, 9:08 pm

viewtothegym wrote:
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viewtothegym wrote:Good to see Gatland want's a real 7 to tour for the Lions, who would want a hopeless player like Robshaw lingering around every ruck with his dopey bottom lip hanging to the floor.
Also to see the English press to suggest he will be captain is hilarious,he can't make the right decisions also we have grand slam winning Captain Warburton in the forefront.
I can also see a lot of Irish players joining the GrandSlam Welsh players for the Lions tour,
we will have to have the token English player to keep SKY rugby club happy.


...... Doh
Scotland would have put that fever ravaged NZ side to the sword, lets not forget how bad England played against teams without sickness


Just..... Please....stop.... I can't take anymore Yahoo rose rose
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Post by Poorfour Sat 01 Dec 2012, 9:09 pm

Gatland was pretty clear that he wanted a proper seven and that he doesn't think Robshaw is one. Leading your team to a record win over the world champions, featuring the leading 7 in the world over the last decade, is pretty much the best possible response.

Doubt it will stop Gatland making the mistake of not taking him, though. The man's mind is clearly made up.
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Post by Mad for Chelsea Sat 01 Dec 2012, 9:15 pm

I just hope Gatland doesn't make the mistakes Wooward made in 05...

Robshaw probably isn't a genuine 7, but if you look at his last two performances purely he's been magnificent, and at the moment would walk into a Lions squad, maybe even team.

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Post by yappysnap Sat 01 Dec 2012, 9:17 pm

Not a problem if he isn't picked, just means he gets more time with the England team prior to the next AI's.

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Post by fa0019 Sat 01 Dec 2012, 9:20 pm

Viewtothegym

Interesting point on the sickness issue... Interesting but utter rubbish.

So they may not be 100%... But I doubt it would have made a big diff and its only speculation anyhow... You don't even know which players suffered and which didn't... There were no selection changes so if any player was bad, they would have been swapped.

In 95 near 2/3s of the side were ravaged by sickness.... Yet they still didn't concede a try to SA and almost won... And that was real sickness... You even saw players vomiting on the pitch... Nothing compared this episode which I'm sure wouldn't convince any mum enough to let their kid off school for a day.

Mccaw probably plays half his season with broken bones anyhow so he's probably used to not being 100%.... Still nearly always good enough though.

Just sour grapes dude.

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Post by thomh Sat 01 Dec 2012, 9:23 pm

yappysnap wrote:Not a problem if he isn't picked, just means he gets more time with the England team prior to the next AI's.

As a Quins, England and Lions fan I want as many of our guys to go as possible, and I'm not sure how much the national sides benefit from their summer tours in Lions years anyway.

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Post by PJHolybloke Sat 01 Dec 2012, 9:59 pm

Laugh Robshaw will not be a Lion in 2013? OK

There will not be a Lion's tour in 2013 because the world will be ended? OK

There's two opinions.

Here's a fact.

Andy Powell was a Lion in 2009. Laugh

Here's another fact.

On that basis, I could be a Lion in 2013, FFS!

On a serious note, if Robshaw doesn't make the tour, I don't have a problem with that, as long as there isn't another "Andy one-trick-pony Powell" on the plane. thumbsup

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 01 Dec 2012, 10:00 pm

Tom Wood might be going..............

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 01 Dec 2012, 10:02 pm

viewtothegym wrote:Let's hope if Gats picks English players that the Aussies have food poising to even it out for them. Laugh

Like the All Blacks today you mean. Whistle

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Post by Driver Sat 01 Dec 2012, 10:04 pm

Robshaw was immense today , so good in everything he done.
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Post by Mad for Chelsea Sat 01 Dec 2012, 10:07 pm

thing is, Robshaw was immense last week too, apart from the penalty decision (which was in itself a response to the massively excessive criticism he received from the previous week's decision). Fact is, he's played really really well for England since last year's summer tour (he had a decent 6N, but has really stepped up since) and at the moment simply would have to tour...

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Post by thomh Sat 01 Dec 2012, 10:08 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
viewtothegym wrote:Let's hope if Gats picks English players that the Aussies have food poising to even it out for them. Laugh

Like the All Blacks today you mean. Whistle

I think that's exactly what view meant...

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Post by PJHolybloke Sat 01 Dec 2012, 10:15 pm

I suppose Gatts could pick a squad made up entirely of Wales internationals, after Wales' performance in the summer against Aus, and today's performance at home, who could blame him?


Joking aside, it's all about the blend and the game plan, on that basis alone I could disqualify 70% of the posters on 606v2 based on their ability to acknowledge either of those two aspects of the game. Yahoo
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Post by nathan Sat 01 Dec 2012, 10:25 pm

PJHolybloke wrote:I suppose Gatts could pick a squad made up entirely of Wales internationals, after Wales' performance in the summer against Aus, and today's performance at home, who could blame him?


Joking aside, it's all about the blend and the game plan, on that basis alone I could disqualify 70% of the posters on 606v2 based on their ability to acknowledge either of those two aspects of the game. Yahoo

I'm guessing you included yourself in that 70%! Yahoo

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Post by PJHolybloke Sat 01 Dec 2012, 10:35 pm

Err, no. Because here and now I am willing to nail my colours to the mast and say that Chris Robshaw will, barring injury, be touring with the Lions next year.

Where do you stand? Headscratch
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