Best chins in boxing today.

by Springer Sat 22 Dec 2012, 12:24 am

First topic message reminder :

Hi guys newb here

I wanted to know what peoples thoughts and opinions are on the top five (or ten)hardest chins in boxing in this current era that are active, mine is as follows...

1-Marquez
2-Vitali Klitschko
3-Oliver McCall
4-James Tony
5-Carl Froch

Ive picked Marquez first due to him having so many fights and never been stopped, yes he has been beat and dropped a fair few times but has always came back and showed true grit and determination to see the final bell, all the positions in my list are debateable even marquez but Imo think Ive chosen a solid top five.

cheers Springer

by **ShahenshahG** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 11:40 am

88Chris05 wrote:I'd like to ask everyone to kindly make sure they see the difference between 88Chris05 and sirtidychris.

Cheers!

Its like you're siamese twins, which side is your scar? You'll finally fulfil Hermans dreams by appearing topless

by **88Chris05** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 12:13 pm

That last bit was particularly fine work, Shah!

by Herman Jaeger Mon 24 Dec 2012, 12:38 pm

Its like you're siamese twins, which side is your scar? You'll finally fulfil Hermans dreams by appearing topless[/quote]

Now a lot of the stuff that is written on this forum goes over my head, including that joke so is that a reference to me or another Herman?

Anyway with me and Chris, yes I have a pop now and again, but there's no beef, he knows that. I have to now and again because if there's one criticism of Chris, who's been a fine contributor in what was a catastrophic year for the forum, it's that he sometimes like to get some group think going, and gets a bit angry if you disagree with him, especially if he feels strongly about the subject.

Merry Christmas lads RedWine

by **ShahenshahG** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 1:01 pm

Never really gotten that impression before herman - He tends to get angry if you accuse him of bias then dismiss anything he says because of the percieved bias. Disagreed plenty of times with him and all I got was an affectionate hug.

by Herman Jaeger Mon 24 Dec 2012, 1:12 pm

No problem shah. How are you spending the festivities?

by **ShahenshahG** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 1:15 pm

At work, with triple pay and a line of credit from dominoes

by Herman Jaeger Mon 24 Dec 2012, 1:29 pm

Triple pay sounds nice- shah-, do you think if I was nice to Chris he'd give me a Bombay roll?

by **ShahenshahG** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 1:34 pm

Herman Jaggery wrote:Triple pay sounds nice- shah-, do you think if I was nice to Chris he'd give me a Bombay roll?

Chris is an expert in boxing - i'm not sure how proficient he is in kamasutra.

by **88Chris05** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 1:58 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:
Herman Jaggery wrote:Triple pay sounds nice- shah-, do you think if I was nice to Chris he'd give me a Bombay roll?

Chris is an expert in boxing - i'm not sure how proficient he is in kamasutra.

I only spend time on the boxing board because there isn't (yet) a karmasutra one, Shah. Which I think speaks for itself........

Yeah.

by Herman Jaeger Mon 24 Dec 2012, 2:11 pm

I'm coming for you chris.

I want you at the City Ground. It has to be the City Ground. Middle of the night. Empty stadium. Right in the middle of the park. In the exact same spot Froch destroys Kessler, if the Dane shows he's got the cahonas to come to Nottingham.

by **88Chris05** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 2:26 pm

I can't believe I had that old 'Ceej the Gunslinger' account on Plenty of Fish when it's so easy to get some action right here on v2! Lesson to all young'uns - never look beyond what's right there in front of you.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon 24 Dec 2012, 2:57 pm

88Chris05 wrote:Victor, have you ever actually watched a Froch fight? To question whether or not he's ever had to take clean punishment to the head is pretty odd, to say the least.

When Taylor decked him, it was no flash knock down; 'Bad Intentions' hit him with a crisp combination (and let's remember, Taylor was boxing like the superstar many predicted he'd become after usurping Hopkins in the early stages of that bout) with each shot taking that little bit more from Froch's legs, eventually putting him over. However, though clearly buzzed, he was still up without ever looking as if he'd fail to do so.

Dirrell, when he finally decided to show what he could do, hit Froch with lefts, rights, hooks, uppercuts and everything else you can imagine between rounds seven and eleven, and still Froch remained unbowed.

The Pascal and Kessler fights were both slugfests in which both men were often wide open and taking clean shots. There's a reason why they were both 'Fight of the Year' contenders and let's be honest, it ain't because of Carl's slick, defensive boxing going away, is it?

Johnson hit him with far too many hard right hands over the top than he should have done, really; Froch soaked each one of them up and fired off two or three of his own in return. A cursory glance at his face after the Ward bout will tell you that Ward had little trouble in finding him. As for Buté, you need to take another look. Froch went all out and, as he marched his man down, had to take a few clean ones coming in - it's just that he could walk through them, whereas Buté was rocked to his boots every time Froch landed, and had all of the fight beaten out of him even a couple of rounds before the stoppage in the fifth.

You couldn't be any wider off the mark with your claim that he's taken no clean head shots if you tried, mate. On the contrary, he's taken heavy punches in just about every fight he's had at world level, Abraham and Mack aside.

Without question one of the tip-top chins in the sport today, and of the past few years, in fact.

I never said Froch has never taken a massive blow to the head I just asked if he had taken a bigger punch than vitali did against lewis and sanders.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon 24 Dec 2012, 3:00 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:
Lumbering_Jack wrote:Various reports online say Vitali was knocked out cold... Sure I've seen it but to be frank and don't have the desire to look for it as this Vitali love thread is boring.

Night everyone.

Quite ludicrous really isn't it, the over compensation the brothers are receiving now is silly.

Being told Wlad has a top 5 chin is probably one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this forum.

Wlads not been put on the canvas for coming up to a decade now so it is hardly that alarming. Good defence or good chin it is still nearly 10 years since he last went down.

Being told that an illegal grab and throw down should count as a knock down is far more ludicrous.

Or listening to someone adamently argue that Vitali was kicked in the jaw and knocked out when that person has never seen the video of that fight and Vitali says it was a kick to the leg.

by Lumbering_Jack Mon 24 Dec 2012, 3:12 pm

Wlad has not been down because he has a great defence. Not because he has a good chin because it is blatantly obvious to anyone with even he slightest bit of boxing intelligence that he does not.

by Lumbering_Jack Mon 24 Dec 2012, 3:12 pm

And numerous others have claimed he was ko'd by a kick to they'll jaw. Vitali is obviously going to deny it.

by **88Chris05** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 3:12 pm

victorgarco wrote:I never said Froch has never taken a massive blow to the head I just asked if he had taken a bigger punch than vitali did against lewis and sanders.

Come on now, Victor. Two direct quotes from yourself in this thread so far are:

"When has Froch been hit clean in the face by a massive punch?"

As well as:

"Froch never took any shots from Bute. And when did he take any massive shots on the chin from the others?"

If that's not questioning whether or not he's ever taken heavy punishment from the guys he's fought, then I don't know what is. And I'm simply astounded that anyone could even question this, as you don't have to have studied Froch's career to microscopic lengths to see that, quite obviously, his ability to suck up those big shots and stay on his feet in the face of heavy artillery is a big part of why he's been as successful as he has been.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon 24 Dec 2012, 3:15 pm

88Chris05 wrote:
victorgarco wrote:I never said Froch has never taken a massive blow to the head I just asked if he had taken a bigger punch than vitali did against lewis and sanders.

Come on now, Victor. Two direct quotes from yourself in this thread so far are:

"When has Froch been hit clean in the face by a massive punch?"

As well as:

"Froch never took any shots from Bute. And when did he take any massive shots on the chin from the others?"

If that's not questioning whether or not he's ever taken heavy punishment from the guys he's fought, then I don't know what is. And I'm simply astounded that anyone could even question this, as you don't have to have studied Froch's career to microscopic lengths to see that, quite obviously, his ability to suck up those big shots and stay on his feet in the face of heavy artillery is a big part of why he's been as successful as he has been.

I watched the bute fight live and i dont remember him taking any massive shots.Pease tell me a round and a time whhen he did.

And when did he take any massive shots on the chin from the others?

That quote of mine is a question hence the question mark. I am asking when he has taken a big shot from another boxer to compare with Vitalis. In fact why don't you tell me a fight a round and a time where he has taken a massive shot and I can compare to Klitschkos

by Lumbering_Jack Mon 24 Dec 2012, 3:22 pm

How big a shot may look does not mean it is delivered with extreme force. Uppercuts always look good because they snap the had back. Lewis had a better straight right than uppercut.

It is sometimes the unglamerous punches that can do the damage.

by **88Chris05** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 3:24 pm

The fact that you even need to ask that question is the point, Victor. Why do you need a precise time within each fight? If you'd seen the fights against Pascal, Taylor and Kessler in particular then you'd know that Froch took a lot of clean shots to the jaw in them. It really is that simple.

The comparison to the Lewis uppercut which Vitali took isn't the issue, and is pointless in any case (you'll note, I'm sure, that your second question quoted above wasn't liked to that anyway). Froch has got a superb chin and it doesn't need validation by comparing it to Vitali's, which is also excellent in its own right.

by **ShahenshahG** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 3:32 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkzGANiYro0

Sometimes the yanks come up with some utter Love sacks

by Champagne_Socialist Mon 24 Dec 2012, 4:36 pm

88Chris05 wrote:The fact that you even need to ask that question is the point, Victor. Why do you need a precise time within each fight? If you'd seen the fights against Pascal, Taylor and Kessler in particular then you'd know that Froch took a lot of clean shots to the jaw in them. It really is that simple.

The comparison to the Lewis uppercut which Vitali took isn't the issue, and is pointless in any case (you'll note, I'm sure, that your second question quoted above wasn't liked to that anyway). Froch has got a superb chin and it doesn't need validation by comparing it to Vitali's, which is also excellent in its own right.

Froch does have a great chin and you don't need to compare it to Vitali's to see it is great. But this thread is about who has the best chin so I thought it was neccessary to compare two fighters chins to see who has the best.

by bellchees Mon 24 Dec 2012, 6:27 pm

Just watched the highlights of Vitali vs Lewis again and that uppercut should have put Vitali's head in to the 2nd row.

Also found this highlight video of some shockingly one sided bias from that fight that made me laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BH6LvUS__M

by vxrandall Mon 24 Dec 2012, 7:49 pm

having a good chin has got fk all to do with not getting knocked down, its got everything to do with getting back up again. its about taking hard shots and still being able to continue. with the right timing, speed, power, angle, ANYONE can get knocked over.

Best chins in the business....

Froch
Vitali
Marquez
Glen Johnson

by Champagne_Socialist Mon 24 Dec 2012, 7:53 pm

vxrandall wrote:having a good chin has got fk all to do with not getting knocked down, its got everything to do with getting back up again. its about taking hard shots and still being able to continue. with the right timing, speed, power, angle, ANYONE can get knocked over.

Best chins in the business....

Froch
Vitali
Marquez
Glen Johnson

having a good chin has got everything to do with not getting knocked down. Valuev has got a better chin than marquez because he has never been knocked down, simples.

Getting back up again has more to do with heart and determination and recovery time rather than a good chin.

by John Bloody Wayne Mon 24 Dec 2012, 8:24 pm

Valuev hasn't been nailed on the chin by fighters of Pacquiao and Barrera's calibre.

Also, Marquez is hardly ever actually hurt. He might go down down against someone like Katsidis, but his eyes are clear and he's just as strong as he was before the knock down. I can't see what Valuev's done to get such a high ranking. The only puncher of any repute he's faced was Haye who had him on rubber legs from a shot in the 12th, not Haye's strongest round given that he's not an endurance fighter.

Pacquiao at 130 was a pure whirlwind of power and speed, but Marquez took everything he could offer, then took control.

Even Vitali spent most of the last two rounds trying to hold on against Lewis after being hurt.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon 24 Dec 2012, 8:36 pm

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Valuev hasn't been nailed on the chin by fighters of Pacquiao and Barrera's calibre.

Also, Marquez is hardly ever actually hurt. He might go down down against someone like Katsidis, but his eyes are clear and he's just as strong as he was before the knock down. I can't see what Valuev's done to get such a high ranking. The only puncher of any repute he's faced was Haye who had him on rubber legs from a shot in the 12th, not Haye's strongest round given that he's not an endurance fighter.

Pacquiao at 130 was a pure whirlwind of power and speed, but Marquez took everything he could offer, then took control.

Even Vitali spent most of the last two rounds trying to hold on against Lewis after being hurt.

Can't see how Marquez can be in a top 5 the guy has been down 10 times in his career including a knockdown in his last fight. If his chin was tough he wouldn't go down, simples.

by **hampo17** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 8:52 pm

You can't say Valuev has a great chin as the only time it's really been tested he did the chicken dance against Haye. The size difference he had over most of his opponents made landing flush and with power meant his chin remained untested.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon 24 Dec 2012, 8:54 pm

hampo171 wrote:You can't say Valuev has a great chin as the only time it's really been tested he did the chicken dance against Haye. The size difference he had over most of his opponents made landing flush and with power meant his chin remained untested.

I think it is because his chin is so good that he didn't go down. He was chasing Haye around for 12 rounds and was getting hit flush in the face all night so it is amazing that he managed to stay on his feet after getting hit flush in the chin in the 12th round of a very tiring fight.

by **hampo17** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 8:57 pm

It was thanks to the ropes that he didn't go down, he wobbled the full width of the ring and used them to steady himself.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:00 pm

hampo171 wrote:It was thanks to the ropes that he didn't go down, he wobbled the full width of the ring and used them to steady himself.

Key point being he never went down Smile

by **hampo17** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:04 pm

Actually key point is that he was wobbled by the only real power punch that has probably ever landed on his chin. There are so many better fighters with better chins but your top 3 of Vitali, Wach and Valuev seems to suggest you think heavyweights have better chins. I would suggest looking at Mosley, Malignaggi, guys who have been in wars and come out the other side before Wach and Valuev.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:17 pm

hampo171 wrote:Actually key point is that he was wobbled by the only real power punch that has probably ever landed on his chin. There are so many better fighters with better chins but your top 3 of Vitali, Wach and Valuev seems to suggest you think heavyweights have better chins. I would suggest looking at Mosley, Malignaggi, guys who have been in wars and come out the other side before Wach and Valuev.

I put Vitali because he has taken some serious blows from 2 massive punchers and stayed on his feet.

I put Valuev because he took so many blows from Haye in that fight and I mean serious blows(about 5 or 6 clean hard punches to the face EVERY ROUND) and stayed on his feet. Yes he was hurt in the 12th but it is amazing he never went down cos that left hook has knocked out so many people for Haye and Haye caught a very tired Valuev flush.

I put Wach based on the Wlad fight because the punishment he took was crazy.

Of course there are people in lower weight divisions who i respect and would put in my top 5. I mentioned earlier that Kell Brook would be in my top 5 because he showed against Carson Jones he has a strong chin.

And the thread asked for top 5 CURRENT greatest chins. Mosley has retired so that is why I never put his name down.

by SharkSoul Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:28 pm

Obviously by default the opening statement leads you directly towards the HW division because that is the weight class with the hardest punchers but those guys aside I would put these in.

Froch
JCC Jnr
Guerro
Martinez
Alvarez
Cotto
Rios

For those of you putting Kell Brook in I think you need to 're-assess' this because you can't come to that conclusion based on one fight with Carson Jones.

by **hampo17** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:33 pm

victorgarco wrote:
hampo171 wrote:Actually key point is that he was wobbled by the only real power punch that has probably ever landed on his chin. There are so many better fighters with better chins but your top 3 of Vitali, Wach and Valuev seems to suggest you think heavyweights have better chins. I would suggest looking at Mosley, Malignaggi, guys who have been in wars and come out the other side before Wach and Valuev.

I put Vitali because he has taken some serious blows from 2 massive punchers and stayed on his feet.

I put Valuev because he took so many blows from Haye in that fight and I mean serious blows(about 5 or 6 clean hard punches to the face EVERY ROUND) and stayed on his feet. Yes he was hurt in the 12th but it is amazing he never went down cos that left hook has knocked out so many people for Haye and Haye caught a very tired Valuev flush.

I put Wach based on the Wlad fight because the punishment he took was crazy.

Of course there are people in lower weight divisions who i respect and would put in my top 5. I mentioned earlier that Kell Brook would be in my top 5 because he showed against Carson Jones he has a strong chin.

And the thread asked for top 5 CURRENT greatest chins. Mosley has retired so that is why I never put his name down.

Mosley is rumoured to be fighting next year and has fought more recently than Valuev who you had no issue with putting in.

by as1079 Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:34 pm

victorgarco wrote:
hampo171 wrote:Actually key point is that he was wobbled by the only real power punch that has probably ever landed on his chin. There are so many better fighters with better chins but your top 3 of Vitali, Wach and Valuev seems to suggest you think heavyweights have better chins. I would suggest looking at Mosley, Malignaggi, guys who have been in wars and come out the other side before Wach and Valuev.

I put Vitali because he has taken some serious blows from 2 massive punchers and stayed on his feet.

I put Valuev because he took so many blows from Haye in that fight and I mean serious blows(about 5 or 6 clean hard punches to the face EVERY ROUND) and stayed on his feet. Yes he was hurt in the 12th but it is amazing he never went down cos that left hook has knocked out so many people for Haye and Haye caught a very tired Valuev flush.

I put Wach based on the Wlad fight because the punishment he took was crazy.

Of course there are people in lower weight divisions who i respect and would put in my top 5. I mentioned earlier that Kell Brook would be in my top 5 because he showed against Carson Jones he has a strong chin.

And the thread asked for top 5 CURRENT greatest chins. Mosley has retired so that is why I never put his name down.

You seem to be coming to an awfully big conclusion on the basis of one fight, with regard to Valuev, Brook and Wach. Valuev was very rarely, throughout his entire career, hit by a clean punch by a power puncher. The one time he was, and that too by a small heavyweight, he was all over the place. Wach took some whacks from Wlad but, if the rumours are to be believed, may well have dabbled in some kind of PED.

To suggest Brook has a top-five chin seems more than a little premature. Yes, he took some good shots from Carson Jones but Jones failed to put a dent in Dean Byrne, who himself has been stopped by a journeyman French boxer with a very average KO record.

by **hampo17** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:36 pm

SharkSoul wrote:Obviously by default the opening statement leads you directly towards the HW division because that is the weight class with the hardest punchers but those guys aside I would put these in.

Froch
JCC Jnr
Guerro
Martinez
Alvarez
Cotto
Rios

For those of you putting Kell Brook in I think you need to 're-assess' this because you can't come to that conclusion based on one fight with Carson Jones.

To get a fair reading on this sort of subject you have to look at it in the same was the P4P rankings and imagine that it is an equal playing field. No point discussing it otherwise.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:46 pm

as1079 wrote:
victorgarco wrote:
hampo171 wrote:Actually key point is that he was wobbled by the only real power punch that has probably ever landed on his chin. There are so many better fighters with better chins but your top 3 of Vitali, Wach and Valuev seems to suggest you think heavyweights have better chins. I would suggest looking at Mosley, Malignaggi, guys who have been in wars and come out the other side before Wach and Valuev.

I put Vitali because he has taken some serious blows from 2 massive punchers and stayed on his feet.

I put Valuev because he took so many blows from Haye in that fight and I mean serious blows(about 5 or 6 clean hard punches to the face EVERY ROUND) and stayed on his feet. Yes he was hurt in the 12th but it is amazing he never went down cos that left hook has knocked out so many people for Haye and Haye caught a very tired Valuev flush.

I put Wach based on the Wlad fight because the punishment he took was crazy.

Of course there are people in lower weight divisions who i respect and would put in my top 5. I mentioned earlier that Kell Brook would be in my top 5 because he showed against Carson Jones he has a strong chin.

And the thread asked for top 5 CURRENT greatest chins. Mosley has retired so that is why I never put his name down.

You seem to be coming to an awfully big conclusion on the basis of one fight, with regard to Valuev, Brook and Wach. Valuev was very rarely, throughout his entire career, hit by a clean punch by a power puncher. The one time he was, and that too by a small heavyweight, he was all over the place. Wach took some whacks from Wlad but, if the rumours are to be believed, may well have dabbled in some kind of PED.

To suggest Brook has a top-five chin seems more than a little premature. Yes, he took some good shots from Carson Jones but Jones failed to put a dent in Dean Byrne, who himself has been stopped by a journeyman French boxer with a very average KO record.

I think you need to re watch the haye Valuev fight (try not to falla sleep because it is very boring) but Haye was landing clean punches all night on valuev and they had no affect apart from a massive hook in the last round which to valuevs credet he stayed on his feet.

Have the Peds been conformed yet? And was Gordy right that it was Klitschko who snuck into Wach's hotel room and planted the peds in wachs food and drugged him?

by **hampo17** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:48 pm

Most of Hayes punch weren't landing flush as he was trying to get out as soon as he landed. The only time he stood his ground he wobbled him, not rocket science.

by as1079 Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:57 pm

victorgarco wrote:
as1079 wrote:
victorgarco wrote:
hampo171 wrote:Actually key point is that he was wobbled by the only real power punch that has probably ever landed on his chin. There are so many better fighters with better chins but your top 3 of Vitali, Wach and Valuev seems to suggest you think heavyweights have better chins. I would suggest looking at Mosley, Malignaggi, guys who have been in wars and come out the other side before Wach and Valuev.

I put Vitali because he has taken some serious blows from 2 massive punchers and stayed on his feet.

I put Valuev because he took so many blows from Haye in that fight and I mean serious blows(about 5 or 6 clean hard punches to the face EVERY ROUND) and stayed on his feet. Yes he was hurt in the 12th but it is amazing he never went down cos that left hook has knocked out so many people for Haye and Haye caught a very tired Valuev flush.

I put Wach based on the Wlad fight because the punishment he took was crazy.

Of course there are people in lower weight divisions who i respect and would put in my top 5. I mentioned earlier that Kell Brook would be in my top 5 because he showed against Carson Jones he has a strong chin.

And the thread asked for top 5 CURRENT greatest chins. Mosley has retired so that is why I never put his name down.

You seem to be coming to an awfully big conclusion on the basis of one fight, with regard to Valuev, Brook and Wach. Valuev was very rarely, throughout his entire career, hit by a clean punch by a power puncher. The one time he was, and that too by a small heavyweight, he was all over the place. Wach took some whacks from Wlad but, if the rumours are to be believed, may well have dabbled in some kind of PED.

To suggest Brook has a top-five chin seems more than a little premature. Yes, he took some good shots from Carson Jones but Jones failed to put a dent in Dean Byrne, who himself has been stopped by a journeyman French boxer with a very average KO record.

I think you need to re watch the haye Valuev fight (try not to falla sleep because it is very boring) but Haye was landing clean punches all night on valuev and they had no affect apart from a massive hook in the last round which to valuevs credet he stayed on his feet.

Have the Peds been conformed yet? And was Gordy right that it was Klitschko who snuck into Wach's hotel room and planted the peds in wachs food and drugged him?

Take another look at the punch which resulted in Valuev grabbing the ropes to stay up. Haye is off balance and doesn't connect directly onto Valuev's chin. Hardly a massive hook.

The positive drug test hasn't been confirmed as such, no. However, given the fact that it was Team Klitschko who claim they were informed of a positive test by the German Federation, I'm sure you'll have no problem in believing it.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon 24 Dec 2012, 9:59 pm

hampo171 wrote:Most of Hayes punch weren't landing flush as he was trying to get out as soon as he landed. The only time he stood his ground he wobbled him, not rocket science.

Are you making things up now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfeBasCNnRc

first big punch is about 3 mins 55 and again at 4:30 in and there are loads more of those punches throughout the whole fight.

by **hampo17** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 10:06 pm

No, I'm not making things up I'm offering my opinion. Haye used raiding tactics during that fight, getting in and out very quickly and never planting his feet. Because of this he didn't get the same power in to his punches as he did against Ruiz for example. The punches may land but I find it hard to believe they had the full force behind them.

by PPVxHOTTY Mon 24 Dec 2012, 10:15 pm

Lucas Mattyhsse has a very underrated chin along with Chavez Jr but have to say Vitali has the best chin in boxing today.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon 24 Dec 2012, 10:17 pm

hampo171 wrote:No, I'm not making things up I'm offering my opinion. Haye used raiding tactics during that fight, getting in and out very quickly and never planting his feet. Because of this he didn't get the same power in to his punches as he did against Ruiz for example. The punches may land but I find it hard to believe they had the full force behind them.

I posted a link and gave 2 examples of solid punches landing flush which had no affect. I could post more examples if you want there are plenty of them.

by PPVxHOTTY Mon 24 Dec 2012, 10:19 pm

Best chins of all time imo has to be Marvellous Marvin Hagler, Human Windmill Harry Greb and Jake La Motta.

by **hampo17** Mon 24 Dec 2012, 10:22 pm

victorgarco wrote:
hampo171 wrote:No, I'm not making things up I'm offering my opinion. Haye used raiding tactics during that fight, getting in and out very quickly and never planting his feet. Because of this he didn't get the same power in to his punches as he did against Ruiz for example. The punches may land but I find it hard to believe they had the full force behind them.

I posted a link and gave 2 examples of solid punches landing flush which had no affect. I could post more examples if you want there are plenty of them.

You're missing my point. While the shot looks good there is no way of knowing how much power is actually in it. Anyway on that note merry christmas.

by Herman Jaeger Thu 27 Dec 2012, 6:17 am

Artur, King Artur hasn't had as many shouts as I thought he might on this thread. Certainly one of the best.

by TopHat24/7 Thu 27 Dec 2012, 11:35 am

bellchees wrote:Just watched the highlights of Vitali vs Lewis again and that uppercut should have put Vitali's head in to the 2nd row.

Also found this highlight video of some shockingly one sided bias from that fight that made me laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BH6LvUS__M

Hahaha yeh, pretty sure some loon posted that before whilst momentarily taking their tongue out Vitalis jacksie. Have a feeling it was VickyG actually too....

A 'highlight' real from a Russian fan-boy (note numerous hammer and sickles) that shows 'that' uppercut and then every shot Vitali threw in the entire fight. Some people really are pathetic.

by TopHat24/7 Thu 27 Dec 2012, 11:39 am

victorgarco wrote:
hampo171 wrote:Actually key point is that he was wobbled by the only real power punch that has probably ever landed on his chin. There are so many better fighters with better chins but your top 3 of Vitali, Wach and Valuev seems to suggest you think heavyweights have better chins. I would suggest looking at Mosley, Malignaggi, guys who have been in wars and come out the other side before Wach and Valuev.

And the thread asked for top 5 CURRENT greatest chins. Mosley has retired so that is why I never put his name down.

Valuev is retired you donut, retired a few days after Haye jellied his legs.

by Imperial Ghosty Thu 27 Dec 2012, 12:47 pm

Valuev had a fine chin but when you stand at 7 feet and weigh over 350lbs then you shouldn't really be troubled by some light punching 220lbers as well as the fairly heavy handed Haye. The one big punch he took from someone with a bit of pop had him on queer street.

by Champagne_Socialist Thu 27 Dec 2012, 4:37 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
bellchees wrote:Just watched the highlights of Vitali vs Lewis again and that uppercut should have put Vitali's head in to the 2nd row.

Also found this highlight video of some shockingly one sided bias from that fight that made me laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BH6LvUS__M

Hahaha yeh, pretty sure some loon posted that before whilst momentarily taking their tongue out Vitalis jacksie. Have a feeling it was VickyG actually too....

A 'highlight' real from a Russian fan-boy (note numerous hammer and sickles) that shows 'that' uppercut and then every shot Vitali threw in the entire fight. Some people really are pathetic.

My tongue is usually up your mums jacksie not vitali's

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