The Hull Kingston Rovers Thread

[Luke]

First topic message reminder :

The title of the thread says it all.

[Kenny]

Mickey Paea to leave at the end of the season

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Blow-Hull-KR-Mickey-Paea-confirms-s-leaving-club/story-19292775-detail/story.html#axzz2WIBs92lW

Disappointed as he has played well this season after having a very forgetful first season , the thing i find annoying about this is his agents comments about how he should of been at a club higher up the ladder ....well none of those clubs offered him a contract Rovers did and in his first season he was imo lazy in games yet now his contract is up he is showing how he can play in order to garner a move . Maybe that isn't the type of player you want at your club .

[Kenny]

Hull Kingston Rovers are resigned to losing star forward Mickey Paea to their city rivals Hull FC.
The Tonga international has told Robins chairman Neil Hudgell that KC Stadium chiefs have offered and he has decided to sign a substantial contract.
"To blame uncertainties at the club is the easy way out, convenient and lacking in logic. If Mickey genuinely hadn't signed anywhere else, surely the fact our coach had recently re-signed puts to bed any such concerns."

Paea, 27, was also linked with Wigan and a possible return to the National Rugby League in Australia but Hudgell has revealed the second row is set to move to their near neighbours at the end of the season.
Hudgell was furious when Paea's agent Darryl Mather blamed continuing uncertainty over KR's long-term ownership for his client deciding not to commit to a new deal at MS3 Craven Park.
He told Hull's Daily Mail: "Mickey has told the club that he has signed, in his own words, 'a deal too good to turn down' at Hull FC two weeks ago.
"Consequently, what his agent has said is nonsense and I'm mystified by his comments. To blame uncertainties at the club is the easy way out, convenient and lacking in logic. If Mickey genuinely hadn't signed anywhere else, surely the fact our coach had recently re-signed puts to bed any such concerns.
"We both know he's gone for the bigger deal, and who can blame him? It's a short career and he needs to get out of it what he can. We made him an offer to reflect his value, Hull topped it by a significant amount and that's how it pans out from time to time, which I have no problem with.
"We won't pay beyond our means for any player. We assessed the worth of Mickey to the club, and he was able to do far better. The fact we have known about this for a while has enabled us to close in on a quality replacement elsewhere, which we expect to announce shortly."



I agree with Hudgell , as things are we should stick to the pay structure the club is more important then the player . As i said before Paea has only shown how well he can play in the last 10 or so games imo , and as far as his agent well i can't say what i want as the swear filter will change it .

To any FC fan wanting to gloat i would just say FC is his 17th choice club as he would of joined any NRL side given the chance

[Luke]

More worrying rumors, salford are still chasing Dobson. 

Worse St Helens have apparently tabled 2 year deals for Ritchie Beaumont and Keal Carlile.

[Kenny]

Squad to face Catalans .................Paterson back from suspension , Gleeson could make his debut . Withers and Mika both out injured

The squad in full is:

Liam Salter

Jason Netherton

Adam Walker

Sean Gleeson

Evarn Tuimavave

Jordan Cox

Con Mika

Travis Burns

Graeme Horne

Alex Brown

Craig Hall

Mickey Paea

David Hodgson

Rhys Lovegrove

Michael Dobson

Cory Paterson

Greg Eden

Keal Carlile

Josh Hodgson

[Luke]

It's 85% certain that Mickey Paea will be wearing black & white and playing on the other side of the river Hull from next season.

Which has made me think, why don't Rovers try and get Jay Pitt from FC. He's young, cheap and would be bursting to play you would think. Ideal for Rovers.

[Kenny]

Yes i'd agree with that tiger , my mate at the club says we will be signing two new props with one announced next week maybe

[Luke]

Signing for next year should be intresting Kenny.
Quite a few if the decent players signed on for a while, a few astute signings and we could be challanging, a few dud ones and we could be struggling. 
But not sure prop is what we need most, definitely think we need a ball playing second row and a loose forward.
Do you know what Paterson's situation is know that Sandercock staying Kenny?

Going to be in Hull monday morning to get tickets for the Saints game next week, and wouldn't you know Saints are turning the corner just as we're about to play them. We were going to lose anyway ( my dad and brother also going so that was a given with there record).

[Kenny]

We usually do well v Saints but your right they have hit form just at the wrong time for us .

Paterson was signed on a 2 year contract with an option for a further year , he would of become a free agent IF Sandercock had left but now he is staying that doesn't apply so he is under contract for at least next season . I have heard he is happy in the area and isn't looking to push for a move .................but i have also heard that two clubs have offered him a huge rise on his wages so who knows ... the one good thing is we would get a transfer fee if he did go now .

Langley and Walker have been mentioned along with a NRL second rower ( though that is being kept very quite , can't get him to tell me who )

Langley would add size but i would rather Lovegrove go into the front row ( he makes more metres then anyone when playing there ) and Walker is Adam Walkers brother so that might be the link there ( he did play well against FC lastnight though )

I think we need a genuine loose forward and we would have a decent side dependant on departures

[Luke]

What a great win against Catalan (who we have a decent record against at there ground, and they usually do well at ours), think it's going to be tight for the bottom of the 8, but wins like this can only help our course.

Kenny, agree about Lovegrove (though I think he would be an excellent SR forward), and like i said on the RL news thread don't really want Langley (though I also think he'll stay at Bradford), agree we need a LF, but would still like to see Hall given ago there.
Personally think we are half/3/4's of the way to a decent side. Just need a defence coach.

[Kenny]

Great win lastnight , we showed real fight and defended well so i'm told from my cousin who went to the game .

A win against Saints next weekend would really set us up for the end of the season so lets hope you see a win for a change

[Kenny]

8 games left in the normal season

St Helens   away
Salford   home
Warrington   away
Wigan    away
Hull fc    home
Leeds     away
Widnes    away
London    home



i think we could win 4 of those , and knowing us it will be the 4 we aren't suppose to win .

Will that be enough for a top 8 place ?

[Kenny]

on a side note

I have just watched the highlights of the Catalans game from saturday

we missed 46 tackles !

also seeing as it wasn't a Sky game if we had been playing anyone else other then Catalans away we would probably lost this game as Catalans had 3 tries disallowed by the video ref ( Catalans have video ref for their home games due to an agreement with french tv ) so if it had been anyone else away those probably wouldn't have all been disallowed .

[Luke]

8 games left in the normal season

St Helens   away
Salford   home
Warrington   away
Wigan    away
Hull fc    home
Leeds     away
Widnes    away
London    home



i think we could win 4 of those , and knowing us it will be the 4 we aren't suppose to win .

Will that be enough for a top 8 place ?

I think 3 we should win (though Widnes will be hard), 3 were in with a good chance (Saints, Hull & Leeds), 2 we should definitely lose. Still think the top 8 will go to the last game.

[Kenny]

If we carry on playing like we have in the last few weeks then i think we can beat Fc which is a must win game for so many reasons after what has gone on this season

[Luke]

Apparently Rovers have told Salford that if they pay a fee that matches there valuation then they can have Dobsin, because he is refusing to sign a contract extension with a year left on his contract.

[Kenny]

not heard that directlly from my mate at the club i do know they were suppose to be talking to him at the end of the season regarding an extension to his deal , but if it's true that he wont sign then as much as i would hate to lose him then ...yes sell him while we can get a fee .
Sandercock has been impress with Danny Nicklas since he signed but i would hope we would be bringing in an experienced scrum half if/when Dobbo leaves.
 
Like i said on the League thread it would surprise me to see Dobbo and Chase in the same team as they both only attack on the left hand side of the field so couldn't see that working . When Cookie came we tried switching Dobbo onto the right but he just couldn't play there , and the same with Chase he looks far less effective going right then when he is going left and i think Chase is their ' Big Name ' signing

[Luke]

To be honest Kenny, if we get a decent fee I'd sell him. We have back up, the club needs money. But I'd be fairly suprised that he'd want to go to Salford (no offence to any Salford fans), as in my opinion there not bigger than Rovers, so it would be a sideways move.

[Kenny]

This is in todays Hull Daily Mail

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Cory-Paterson-asks-leave-Hull-KR-Salford-Michael/story-19384871-detail/story.html#axzz2X51FNIyW


Spoke to my mate lastnight who did mention this about Paterson and Dobson , Paterson will be allowed to go back to Australia ( it is a family issue ) whether a fee would be involved is debatable in these circumstances . Dobson again can go back to Australia but if he stays in Superleague and doesn't sign an extension then he will be sold and as Rovers rate him a lot higher then they did Blake Green i would expect a higher fee then Greens £100,000 .

Mate also said if he does go we will look at bringing in a replacement but are also considering Hall or Eden for a regular halfs place .

[Luke]

Would like to see Eden there, as it highlights his strengths of pace, passing ability, backing up and kicking. And nullifys his weaknesses more ie his ability under the high ball. Hall would be an ideal FB as he's stronger at those parts of the game. Then could sign a proper LF.

Shame about Paterson,  as I think he was going to get better,  but nothing you can do about things like that.

But with Paterson, Paea, Beaumont & Carlile (who have apparently agreed deals with Saints), no guessing where we will be looking with regards recruitment.

[Kenny]

The Paterson family issue is more his girlfriend/wife they have a baby and she wants to stay in Australia .
Sandercock has done well with signings so i would expect him to bring another couple of players in who you have never really heard of but who do well .
We need to bring some more youngsters through who wont count a lot on the salary cap ,I would expect us to look at the Championship aswell for new recruits .

[Kenny]

Neil Hudgell has decided to stay on as chairman of Hull Kingston Rovers after previously announcing he would step down at the end of the season.

The Hull-based lawyer told BBC Radio Humberside: "We have a formula for the club going forward and as part of that, people want me to stay involved."

The club's financial position is expected to improve next season when the new north stand opens.

And Hudgell said: "Hull KR is a strong brand and a great club."

The Robins lie seventh in Super League following Saturday's one-point win over the Catalans Dragons and remain on target to achieve their aim of qualifying for the end of season play-offs.

Hudgell continued: "We just need to crack some of the historic issues and debt we have,

"I think we sit and we look at our own positions and to some extent what I've said over the last few months has been a little bit distracting and it's important we have stability."

[Kenny]

injury doubts for friday

Graeme Horne disclocated finger
Sean Gleeson food poisoning ........but expected to be ok

[Luke]

Just got back from Langtree.   Fantastic performance by the boys. Completly dominated the game, defence was solid. Kicking game at times was inventive.  Fully deserved the win. Although all the boys were good, got to say Mickey Paea was immense when taking the ball up.
Saints were terrible, dropping the ball often and just looking aaverage with the ball.

Glad that Dobson's got a chance in the NRL, hope he takes it this time. Paea move is dissapointing (though not suprising), and he was booed by some fans at the start tonight.

[Kenny]

Really good win under the circumstances with the news of Dobbo and Paea leaving .

Lets hope that we don't let all this good work slip up at home to Salford next weekend

[Luke]

It was a fairly easy win Kenny, Saints were dire, Rovers comfortable affter there blistering start.

Was thinking on the train back, perhaps part of Sandercocks problems is that every off season he has to pretty much start again. As we lose more than a few, and have to bring more than a few. And quite a few are people he probably would like to keep. If you look at this seasin, 3 of our top players leave. Though would rather Burns with either Eden or Hall were the halfs next year.

[Kenny]

I know there are talks going on to bring someone in , but i wouldn't mind Burns with either Eden or Hall in the halfs .

Sandercock for all the negatives has had it twice if not three times harder then Morgan had what with all the player changes and the reduction in budget , just think how good we could be

[Luke]

I know there are talks going on to bring someone in , but i wouldn't mind Burns with either Eden or Hall in the halfs .

Sandercock for all the negatives has had it twice if not three times harder then Morgan had what with all the player changes and the reduction in budget , just think how good we could be

That's true, under Morgan it was pretty much the same squad year in year out, with only a few changes season in season out, plus he had a full salary cap.
Sandercock has done reasonably well considering what he's had to deal with, and to be fair we play at times a very attacking style.

Would really prefer Hall FB, Eden & Burns half. Add Hodgson hooker, bring in a proper LF and you looking at a good spine there, we have the centers, could do with a couple SR (cox's looks good just needs experince), and we're not far off a good team.
We really do need to beat Salford (though results went our way over the weekend), given the 4 games after are Wigan, Warrington away, Hull home, Leeds away. A couple of points v Salford puts us in a comfortable position.

[Kenny]

I'm having a few beers with a few lads involved tomorrow night , i will see if i can get any info out of them

[Luke]

It's being rumoured that Rovers are intrested in Lance Hohaia, after Saints have agreed to let him go halfway through his contract.

I really hope this isn't true.

Enjoy your drinks with the lads Kenny.

[Kenny]

tiger

Did you see the Superleague Show on monday night ? Interesting interview with Travis Burns , seems like he feels settle in now and is happy with his rugby ..even saying he would happily stay at Rovers for the rest of his career .

[Kenny]

interesting night , seems Benny could be on his way back to Rovers

[Luke]

No, I didn't see it Kenny, but heard about the interview. Let's hope he does stay at least as long as Dobson.

Apparently we've had a bid turned down by Wakefield with regards Cockayne. While I hope he does come back to Rovers, am surprised by this move as I would have thought we are after forwards, and Hodgson. Already plays in his position. Be interesting if we do re sign him with regards to were we are going to play him.

[Kenny]

I think the Cockayne re-signing if it happens is more about giving the fans a favourite back (with Dobbo going ) a bit of pr

[Kenny]

A win is a win , we looked disjointed today .... let Salford play far to much and it took us mid way into the second half to look like a decent side .

but like i said a win is a win

week off before the next game away to Warrington which should give us time to get everyone fit after the bug that went around the squad last week

[Luke]

From what I've read we were lucky, didn't play well for most of the game, and it was thanks to Dobson that we did win.

But agree Kenny, a wins a win. And an important win to back up the wins against Huddersfield,Catalan & Saints. And to be honest at this stage of the season it dosn't matter how you win, just that you do.

Week off has probably come at the right time for us, and than its Warrington & Wigan away, Hull home, Leeds & Widnes away. That's a testing run at any time of the season, let alone this, when teams are trying to get momentum going.

[Kenny]

Paterson could be out for upto 6 weeks with an acl knee injury , it's a loss but Lovegrove proved he can play in that role on the left so hopefully we can cover that .

[Luke]

Keal Carlile is expected to sign a new 2 year contract with Rovers (turning down the Saints offer). This is good as we can get rid of Withers freeing up some money, and Hodgson & Carlile would be our hookers both are young and are different enough to course quite a few problems.

Also pleased with Graeme Horne signing his new 2 year deal, he's not outstanding, but is a solid graffter who's utility value is good.
Was thinking, our signings may not need to be numerous or expensive, given that we have some ready made replacements at the club, Lovegrove for Paterson, Burns for Dobson with Eden or Hall taking Burns position, which hast to help the club money wise.

[Kenny]

Looks like we will be bringing at least 1 ( possibly 2 ) Newcastle Knights players in next season with a offer on the table for Neville Costigan and a as yet un-named back

[Luke]

David Hodgson has signed his option of a 3rd year for 2014. Really glad he's staying, as he's a great try taker, and his defence is better than people give him credit for.

[Kenny]

yes glad he is staying , if only we could get our first choice team on the park i think we could beat anyone

[Luke]

Rovers along with Clubb, O'Meley (why?), and Henry (again Why?). Are also being linked with Wakefield forward Kyle Amor. This would be an excellent signing in my opinion, and one we really should be looking at rather than the other 3 mentioned.
Though he's still under contract at Wakey, so would imagine some sort of fee would have to be involved.

[Kenny]

From what i have heard the Henry thing is mostly coming from his side , Amor would be a good signing Wakey might have to do some deals despite what they are saying right now .
I sure there would be a lot of interest in him if they do decide to sell players but Danny Kirmond has impressed me this season as well

[Kenny]

Hull KR have signed Australian prop Michael Weyman from St George-Illawarra on a two-year contract from 2014

[Luke]

Rovers have confirmed that Neville Costigan will be joining them on a 2 year deal from 2014. In my opinion this and the Weyman deal are both quality signings for Rovers.
In the latest which Aussie half back is being linked to the club even though we already got 2 good players to replace Dobson with. Canterbury's Kris Keating is the star of this week's installment.

And so of Rovers expected defeat to Warrington yesterday. Apparently the first half was good, with Rovers unlucky not to be at least level after some harsh decisions went against us, in the 2nd half we have to many penalties away. And against quality sides like Warrington you can't do that and get away with it.
So this week, another week off before Wigan away.

[Kenny]

these weeks off really haven't done us any good imo , it has derailed all the momentum we had got going .

Hopefully 2 wins from the the last 3 games will see us into the play offs

I like the two signings so far , Sandercock does seem to have an eye for a player and they all seem to rate him as a coach and want to play for him .

[Luke]

Rovers are thought to be close to the signing of Kris Keating from Canterbury. Keating can play hooker, scrum Half & off Half.

[George Hotel1895]

Rovers are thought to be close to the signing of Kris Keating from Canterbury. Keating can play hooker, scrum Half & off Half.

I honestly don't rate him. Probably won't take up a lot of the salary cap as i can't believe any NRL clubs would be interested in him, and few Super League clubs.

[Luke]

Rovers are thought to be close to the signing of Kris Keating from Canterbury. Keating can play hooker, scrum Half & off Half.

I honestly don't rate him. Probably won't take up a lot of the salary cap as i can't believe any NRL clubs would be interested in him, and few Super League clubs.

To be honest George, I don't know anything about him.
And as Kenny & I have said previously, we already have players (Hall,Eden,Nicklas), who can play stand off, and move Burns to Scrum Half so I don't know why we bothering.

[Kenny]

Keating deal should go ahead this weekend , like tiger i don't see the point of it but he could turn out to be a star in Superleague who knows ?

[Luke]

So the expected defeat at Wigan happened last night. Though in the bits I saw thought we played well, and were perhaps a bit unlucky to lose.
With Hull thrashing Widnes last night, sets things up nicely for next week's derby game (which I'm working).

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