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POS	Aviva Premiership	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Leicester Tigers	19	15	1	3	484	420	+64	53	39	0	3	65
2	Harlequins	19	13	0	6	496	459	+37	54	48	3	5	60
3	Gloucester	19	13	0	6	492	443	+49	56	45	3	4	59
4	Newcastle Falcons	19	11	1	7	474	441	+33	50	41	1	7	54
5	Sale Sharks	19	11	0	8	484	455	+29	52	46	2	8	54
6	Northampton Saints	19	10	1	8	476	459	+17	50	47	2	7	51
7	London Irish	19	10	0	9	479	465	+14	51	46	2	8	50
8	London Welsh	17	8	3	8	446	433	+13	47	42	0	8	46
9	Bath Rugby	19	9	0	10	449	462	-13	44	49	0	8	44
10	Saracens	19	4	1	14	393	479	-86	34	52	0	7	25
11	Worcester Warriors	19	3	1	15	411	465	-54	36	51	1	9	24
12	London Wasps	19	3	0	16	378	481	-103	33	54	0	12	24

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.

Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.

Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million

If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

by prop_lyd Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:14 pm

I know quite a few meek's. Haha should be fun then, I'm starting at loosehead as normal so will look forward to turning him inside out!!

by Guest Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:15 pm

Edinburgh play Scott at 13 how
Does he do there in a dreadful
Side ?

Anyone seen halfpenny signed for Cardiff again ?!

Must be worth so much to French and ap teams.

by Guest Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:20 pm

prop_lyd wrote:I know quite a few meek's. Haha should be fun then, I'm starting at loosehead as normal so will look forward to turning him inside out!!

Rugby in that part of world is awful. It's a minority sport.

Look at the forest there is not many people yet so many good clubs . Football dross here.

Reverse in ilford. The guy I interviewed was wheezing after I lead him up 1 flight of stairs for interview. He sweated so much untrue.

He said he scored 3 few weeks before and was smelly. Yet he was near 20
For the season!!! Front row never score 20 lol

Essex not a rugby heartland

by Guest Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:20 pm

prop_lyd wrote:I know quite a few meek's. Haha should be fun then, I'm starting at loosehead as normal so will look forward to turning him inside out!!

Stomper meek ?

by Guest Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:25 pm

Savage so good again. Rumours
He will be glos skipper next year. Great player who only learned rugby 3 years ago.

His hit on Quins winger amazing. He did not move

by **Ozzy3213** Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:42 am

Chiefs go marching on in Super Rugby. Good win against the Blues. Kahui looked rusty coming back from injury and was blowing a it second half, but grabbed himself what turned out to be the decisive try.

Big game now for the Brumbies against the Bulls.

by Fluxy Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:48 am

I wish I could stay up and watch the Brumbies, got my eye on a few lads. But really need the sleep.

Canes, Kings match was peculiar. Canes were better but couldn't prevent silly mistakes and penalties, which meant they couldn't pull away and maintain a gap in the scores.

Savea and TJ looked very lively, as was Vito. He looks to be in good form.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:01 am

You've not missed much with Brumbies vs. Bulls so far, been a poor game.

by Guest Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:37 am

Ozzy3213 wrote:Chiefs go marching on in Super Rugby. Good win against the Blues. Kahui looked rusty coming back from injury and was blowing a it second half, but grabbed himself what turned out to be the decisive try.

Big game now for the Brumbies against the Bulls.

Was Kahui any good. ?

He was great in the half he played last week. Been out about 9 months

by **Ozzy3213** Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:51 am

Did some good things and his quality game through, but not quite match sharp so just off with other bits and looked a bit leggy second half.

by Guest Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:54 am

Hope he stays fit. Be good to have him for my run in.

Have Newcastle and Sale away and would like to get a home semi but think it may be beyond me.

Always tough this time of year targetting whether to go full tilt at league or HC

by **Ozzy3213** Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:23 am

Ridiculous play from the Bulls. 13-20 down, 2 minutes on the clock and the score a breakaway try which Morne converts to tie things up at 20-20. Brumbies kick off and the siren goes for full time while the ball is in the air. Bulls secure it in their own half and instead of kicking it put and taking the draw, they chuck it inside and try to run it out, then get pinged for holding on. Brumbies pen, straight in front of the posts and the Bulls lose the game.

by Guest Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:51 am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/9961828/Leicesters-Tom-Youngs-relishing-his-Premiership-duel-with-England-and-Lions-rival-Dylan-Hartley.html

Interesting battle.

I am defo in Hartley camp. Tasty game today

by Steven_Sharks Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:52 am

Fascinating discussion about Maa Nonu on Super Rugby extra. Claiming that Nonu a bad player to have at your region but turns it on for NZ. Lynagh agrees with it.

by Guest Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:53 am

Yeah I am watching that Steve. Always been seen as a bad apple but can't disagree with how he plays for NZ

by dammit_chris Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:02 pm

The Saints v Tigers game has some great potential Lions match ups in it today Croft v Wood, Parling v Lawes, Youngs v Hartley. Should be a cracking game.

Saints pack has been impressive over the last month, but they really need to start using their backs more, Pisi has looked off the boil in recent weeks, they need a big performance from him against Tuilagi.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:10 pm

Saints are too pack reliant, if they don't get total control they don't have a plan B.

Lawes hasn't been very good for a while, be more interested to see him up against a proper 4 in Slater who's been on fire.

by dammit_chris Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:11 pm

Lawes has been good for Saints, as he showed last week against Wasps - he destroyed us. Just wasn't good for England apart from the Ireland game.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:17 pm

I don't think he's been very good, in fact I think he's went backwards.

A lot of Welsh posters always state he's overrated and I'm inclined to agree. Past the odd big hit on a back he doesn't actually add that much.

I'd like us to look at other options for England as Lawes just doesn't have the grunt for top flight rugby.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:23 pm

http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/rugby/news/article/-/16477959/jonny-wilkinson-says-teammates-support-helped-him-continue/

Wilko signs on for another season, came close to retiring apparently

by dammit_chris Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:26 pm

Ok ignoring the fact he's one of the best defensive locks around, he's dynamic and athletic, good in the rolling maul, clears out the breakdown, good line out jumper, especially on opposition throw...

The one thing I criticise him for is that he isnt a ball carrier, when his size and athleticism should make him a very good one. Think he's a perfect impact sub for England.

Wouldn't really read anything into what the Welsh say on the main boards - we're quite lucky that Prop isn't like them!

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:31 pm

We have dynamic & athletic already in Launchbury(and much better)

I just don't think Lawes has kicked on at all, he just looks underpowered for the engine room.

Time to start looking at some grunt locks to give us a different option. I'd like to see Slater, Matthews, Attwood looked at over the summer.

by prop_lyd Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:33 pm

Aww cheers Chris! Just got to Ilford so time to beat up some English boys on the pitch Wink

by dammit_chris Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:55 pm

Your not playing Ilford Wanderers by chance are you? Played them a few weeks ago.

by Guest Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:58 pm

Atwood is not a grunt player in anyway its his failing.

England need to take a look at savage at 6. He is very very good and improves every week

by dammit_chris Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:10 pm

The trouble England seem to have is that we missed quite a few years of producing world class players in the front five where we currently don't have anyone aged 27-32 or so in that top class bracket.

But now we have a load of youngsters coming through, but still don't see anyone around who you could say is better than Lawes at present and don't think we will for quite a while, after all he's only 22 or so.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:15 pm

Lawes is 23.

I can think of many locks who offer more grunt and that is what we miss and Lawes doesn't give.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:26 pm

Lawes does appear to have stalled a bit if I am honest. He is a very athletic guy, but was touted as England's saviour at 4. He is not good enough scrummaging there to be considered a proper number 4, and whilst he is a very good lineout jumper, I don't think he's the sharpest tack in box, so don't see him as ever being able to be considered a top class international lineout leader.

At present he strikes me as trying to be all things to all men, enforcer, lineout jumper, big tackler etc, but isn't excelling in any area.

He needs to work out what he is an hone those skills and become a specialist at something rather than a jack of all trades who sometimes moonlights on the blindside as well.

The good thing is that he is still young enough to do this.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:30 pm

Agree with that Pete, he's not looked good in an England shirt for a long long time.

by dammit_chris Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:02 pm

Pete, I dont think there is a need for him to specialise in those areas, as his athleticism and power can effectively let him be all of that - my issue for him is that he needs to improve his work in the grittier side of the game, making hard yards with the ball carrying, doing the work at the breakdown.

Last time he looked good for England was the Ireland game, just needs to play consistently like that and not get knocked out.

Thing I like about him is that he's one of those players that can put in huge hits and when you have someone like that it can really impact the opposition, especially the no10 if you know he could get you!

Pooly saw you mention Slatter, but I don't think he's an England international really, but wouldn't say that Attwood or Matthews are the grunt type player, which modern rugby in England seems to be moving away from!

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:08 pm

Slater isn't an Int but has attributes we miss and Lawes doesn't give. Attwood also adds a lot more grunt than Lawes.

Past the odd mismatch hit(Lawes doesn't tackle forwards with impact) and been solid in the lineout he just isn't a lock.

I just don't think Lawes is currently good enough to be playing Int rugby.

by stnick88 Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:26 pm

Agree pooly. Iv seen nothing from lawes to suggest he is better than attwood, savage and garvey

by Guest Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:32 pm

Lawes done very little good for ages.

I think his lack of brain hinders him. I agree with Pete.

Good impact sub maybe but not kicked on. Savage better at 6 than 4.

Lawes more grunt than attwood but not the same carrying

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:04 pm

Foden looking poor again.

Almost laughed when he tried to go high on Manu for try

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:05 pm

Hartleys throw suffering

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:29 pm

Manu, Cole & Youngs quality today.

Slater has been immense, his carrying in tight is top draw. He's certainly outplayed Lawes who bar one hit has been poor.

Hartley having a stinker in set piece, throw is awful.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:36 pm

This is embarrassing, Saints awful.

Croft tearing them to shreds, Salvi v good on deck. Ford comes on a misses a sitter....typical!

by stnick88 Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:41 pm

Slater, cole, croft and Manu superb

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:46 pm

Slater has looked like the only Int 4 on the park, Lawes has been poor.

Croft motm, Slater & Manu ran close.

by Fluxy Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:52 pm

Haha, I had been saying that Lawes shouldn't be near the match-day 23 during the Six Nations. Glad I'm not the only that it sees that he isn't offering what was once thought of him.

Like I said at the time, I'd prefer to see some one like Kruis or Savage given a go for now, they offer some better options and cover the basics that Lawes should offer.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:55 pm

Totally agree Flux, he just wonders around looking to bully halfbacks. He looked a real talent at one point but has never bulked up(looks like he's lost weight).

Launchbury/Parling don't offer grunt, we need a plan B.

by Fluxy Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:01 pm

Grunt isn't necessarily the asnwer though, its not a method that will change the game late on really. Australia have survived without any real source of grunt for a while.

Launch does a lot of grunt work, we need some more support for his work around the field.

by Driver Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:13 pm

I'd play George Kruis if i was a England selector. Blokes seems to have it all about him. Phenomenal athlete.

by Guest Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:19 pm

Slater was fairly anonymous
Today apart from last 25 minutes of game .

Ben youngs got caught in possession so
Many times it was embarrassing. Leicester did not
Organise their guards but that is youngs job to tell them. He was caught 6 times in possessions and is playing himself out of lions contention.

Salvi croft Morris thompstone and Manu outstanding. Leicester lineout went so much better once Tom youngs and is shaky darts went off.

To be fair on paper Leicester are better than Northampton man for man.

Dowson wood and manoa is not a Backrow that is going to scare opposition. Lacks carrying.

Hartley had great first half and then unravelled. Leicester looking powerful

by Guest Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:19 pm

Castro not off to Toulon now. Please glos sign him

by stnick88 Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:38 pm

No chance Matt!

by Guest Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:42 pm

stnick88 wrote:No chance Matt!

I know but i can hope !! If he is too expensive for Toulon glos could not afford his food bill!

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:55 pm

Slater anonymous, you def watch that game?

Hartley was poor throughout, awful in the 2nd.

by Guest Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:04 pm

First half he was anonymous and then had a cracking last 25-30 where he was everywhere.

by Fluxy Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:40 pm

Might be late in predicting.

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