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2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 - Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 - Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish
POS | Aviva Premiership | PLAYED | WON | DREW | LOST | P F | P A | P D | T F | T A | TBP | LBP | POINTS | |
1 | Leicester Tigers | 21 | 17 | 1 | 3 | 542 | 460 | +82 | 60 | 43 | 1 | 3 | 74 | |
2 | Harlequins | 21 | 15 | 0 | 6 | 550 | 499 | +51 | 60 | 50 | 3 | 5 | 68 | |
3 | Gloucester | 21 | 14 | 0 | 7 | 546 | 488 | +58 | 63 | 50 | 4 | 5 | 65 | |
4 | Newcastle Falcons | 21 | 13 | 1 | 7 | 530 | 485 | +45 | 56 | 45 | 1 | 7 | 62 | |
5 | Sale Sharks | 21 | 12 | 0 | 9 | 536 | 508 | +28 | 58 | 52 | 2 | 9 | 59 | |
6 | London Irish | 21 | 11 | 0 | 10 | 532 | 517 | +15 | 57 | 52 | 3 | 9 | 56 | |
7 | Northampton Saints | 21 | 11 | 1 | 9 | 526 | 511 | +15 | 55 | 53 | 2 | 8 | 56 | |
8 | London Welsh | 21 | 9 | 3 | 9 | 495 | 484 | +11 | 53 | 48 | 0 | 9 | 51 | |
9 | Bath Rugby | 21 | 9 | 0 | 12 | 487 | 519 | -32 | 46 | 56 | 0 | 8 | 44 | |
10 | Saracens | 21 | 5 | 1 | 15 | 437 | 528 | -91 | 39 | 57 | 0 | 7 | 29 | |
11 | Worcester Warriors | 21 | 3 | 1 | 17 | 452 | 516 | -64 | 39 | 57 | 1 | 11 | 26 | |
12 | London Wasps | 21 | 3 | 0 | 18 | 419 | 537 | -118 | 37 | 60 | 0 | 13 | 25 |
Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.
Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.
Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.
Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.
Transfers wrote:
- Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.- Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.- Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.
Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation
Compensation will be paid as follows
£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other
If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.
In addition, each team must have the following:-
At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.
At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.
All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).
Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.
If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.
Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.
Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.
Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.
£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.
AP finishing positions.
Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m
Heineken Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million
Amlin Challenge Cup
Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million
Anglo-Welsh Cup
Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million
If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.
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Ozzy3213- Moderator
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"A great example of his hard yards was against nz in June in the second test where he was man of match along with healey."
You don't often have 2 Motm's.....Healy was motm in that game. Heaslip put in an average shift.
You don't often have 2 Motm's.....Healy was motm in that game. Heaslip put in an average shift.
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The following players will be released from Newcastle Falcons at the end of the season;
(Available for price in brackets)
Clement Ric (7m)
Brad Thorn (13m)
Chris Masoe (10m)
Jimmy Cowen (5m)
Luke Burguss (9m)
Colin Slade (10m)
Players already leaving are
Tom Croft , Luke Cowen Dickie and Raymond Rhule will join Gloucester.
Maurie Fa'asavalu and Charlie Sharples will join us.
(Available for price in brackets)
Clement Ric (7m)
Brad Thorn (13m)
Chris Masoe (10m)
Jimmy Cowen (5m)
Luke Burguss (9m)
Colin Slade (10m)
Players already leaving are
Tom Croft , Luke Cowen Dickie and Raymond Rhule will join Gloucester.
Maurie Fa'asavalu and Charlie Sharples will join us.
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To quote
8. Jamie Heaslip – 8
The proud recipient of a 50th cap was close to his brilliant best. Heaslip was the cornerstone for a more direct, combative running game and made the hardest yards in town. Tackled his heart out too, which was all the more impressive given that he fractured his right index finger mid-way through the second half. Absence will be palpable next week.
Main point about lions Backrow will be balance.
We can assume warbs will be 7 so its about getting the balance right with him.
8. Jamie Heaslip – 8
The proud recipient of a 50th cap was close to his brilliant best. Heaslip was the cornerstone for a more direct, combative running game and made the hardest yards in town. Tackled his heart out too, which was all the more impressive given that he fractured his right index finger mid-way through the second half. Absence will be palpable next week.
Main point about lions Backrow will be balance.
We can assume warbs will be 7 so its about getting the balance right with him.
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Ben Williams and Jaque Fourie will also be free to find other clubs.
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Schmitt new Ireland coach.
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O Connor of Leicester to be Leinster coach apparently. Good appointment for Ireland is Schmidt
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Lads can I have a bit of feedback on my current team for next year....
1 Mtawrira
2 Strauss / Rees
3 Mujati / BJ Botha
4 Percival
5 Muller / Wyn-Jones
6 Denton
7 Rennie
8 Beattie
9 Kerr-Barlow
10 Lambie / Trinh-Duc
11 Strettle
12 Godwin / Barkley
13 Bastereaud
14 Maitland / Short
15 Armitage
Where do people think I need to look at strengthening?
1 Mtawrira
2 Strauss / Rees
3 Mujati / BJ Botha
4 Percival
5 Muller / Wyn-Jones
6 Denton
7 Rennie
8 Beattie
9 Kerr-Barlow
10 Lambie / Trinh-Duc
11 Strettle
12 Godwin / Barkley
13 Bastereaud
14 Maitland / Short
15 Armitage
Where do people think I need to look at strengthening?
stnick88- Posts : 5345
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I would say depth at hooker and back. 3.
Short is on loan in national divisions and Strauss can on occasion go wrong lineout wise.
Good strong side. Think centre depth could be improved at. 12
Maybe a good utility back would really help a ben smith TNW Kahui type player
Short is on loan in national divisions and Strauss can on occasion go wrong lineout wise.
Good strong side. Think centre depth could be improved at. 12
Maybe a good utility back would really help a ben smith TNW Kahui type player
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I would say depth at hooker and back. 3.
Short is on loan in national divisions and Strauss can on occasion go wrong lineout wise.
Good strong side. Think centre depth could be improved at. 12
Maybe a good utility back would really help a ben smith TNW Kahui type player
Short is on loan in national divisions and Strauss can on occasion go wrong lineout wise.
Good strong side. Think centre depth could be improved at. 12
Maybe a good utility back would really help a ben smith TNW Kahui type player
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Godwin has looked tidy for the Force but yeh I am looking at 12.
Hooker I'm not too fussed about, happy with Rees and Strauss for now.
Short went off the boil, strange one as he was quality for Sarries not too long ago.
Hooker I'm not too fussed about, happy with Rees and Strauss for now.
Short went off the boil, strange one as he was quality for Sarries not too long ago.
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Agree with Matt. Reckon a SH hook needed to add a bit of depth there. Godwin looks a prospect but can be improved on in foreigns
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http://www.planet-rugby.co.za/story/0,25883,16024_8680239,00.html
Team of heino from PR
Team of heino from PR
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ERC Player of the Year shortlist
Wilko, Fofana, Sivivatu, Heaslip, Bonnaire
Wilko, Fofana, Sivivatu, Heaslip, Bonnaire
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Hope Fofana gets it , Surprised Faz isn't up there.
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Steven_Sharks wrote:ERC Player of the Year shortlist
Wilko, Fofana, Sivivatu, Heaslip, Bonnaire
Heaslip's shoite though!
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Bit of feedback on this side for next season gents.
1.Tonga'uhia
2.Best
3.Franks
4.Slater
5.Kruger
6.Brown
7.McCaw
8.Read
9.Youngs
10.Flood
11.Cuthbert/Bowe
12.Williams/Marshall
13.Pitutau
14.Sharples
15.Goode
1.Tonga'uhia
2.Best
3.Franks
4.Slater
5.Kruger
6.Brown
7.McCaw
8.Read
9.Youngs
10.Flood
11.Cuthbert/Bowe
12.Williams/Marshall
13.Pitutau
14.Sharples
15.Goode
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Pooly's not going to like Heaslip being nominated!
Got to be between Wilko and Fofana - hasn't Wilko got every point for Toulon since the QF? I really hope he makes the Lions tour, was reading an article earlier today that said Gatland has been so unimoressed with Farrell in the pressure games that he is considering Priestland as an option!
Got to be between Wilko and Fofana - hasn't Wilko got every point for Toulon since the QF? I really hope he makes the Lions tour, was reading an article earlier today that said Gatland has been so unimoressed with Farrell in the pressure games that he is considering Priestland as an option!
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I hope this Lions series doesn't turn into Wales vs Australia.
The Dan Lydiate call up is a joke if it happens. If i was Tom Wood i'd refuse to even go as a replacement if this happens.
The Dan Lydiate call up is a joke if it happens. If i was Tom Wood i'd refuse to even go as a replacement if this happens.
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12 is an obvious spot to improve mate, but don't you have young Marshall? Also where's AAC? Would look into replacing Tonga maybe.
Tempted in Barritt for some EQ in return?
Tempted in Barritt for some EQ in return?
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Hoping to use AAC as my rotation player , Struggling to fit JOC in tbh.
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JOC at fullback? Goode alright to fill EQ but not a great attacking threat
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Fofana should get it. But never know.
Gatland's 38 man squad. Who I reckon he will take not who I would. I don't believe he has been stupid enough to ignore Robshaw and Wood for Croft and Lydiate. He can't be that stupid.
Healy
Jenkins
Mako
Best
Hibbard
Hartley
Jones
Cole
Ross
Evans
Hamilton
Gray
AWJ
Parling
Robshaw
Wood
SOB
Warbs
Tipuric
Heaslip
Beattie
Faletau
Phillips
Youngs
Laidlaw
Sexton
Farrell
Biggar
Roberts
Manu
BOD
Davies
North
Cuthbert
Zebo
Halfpenny
Kearney
Hogg
Gatland's 38 man squad. Who I reckon he will take not who I would. I don't believe he has been stupid enough to ignore Robshaw and Wood for Croft and Lydiate. He can't be that stupid.
Healy
Jenkins
Mako
Best
Hibbard
Hartley
Jones
Cole
Ross
Evans
Hamilton
Gray
AWJ
Parling
Robshaw
Wood
SOB
Warbs
Tipuric
Heaslip
Beattie
Faletau
Phillips
Youngs
Laidlaw
Sexton
Farrell
Biggar
Roberts
Manu
BOD
Davies
North
Cuthbert
Zebo
Halfpenny
Kearney
Hogg
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dammit_chris wrote:Pooly's not going to like Heaslip being nominated!
Got to be between Wilko and Fofana - hasn't Wilko got every point for Toulon since the QF? I really hope he makes the Lions tour, was reading an article earlier today that said Gatland has been so unimoressed with Farrell in the pressure games that he is considering Priestland as an option!
Fofana by a mile. Heaslip is "dire" ha ha ha ha.
Pooly would win ERC comedy act
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Croft will tour also offers back up second row. Wood needs to go for me. Robshaw I can understand not taking
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Doesn't mean he will play there though, didn't okay there in '09. I'd rather take an extra lock tbh.
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Heaslip?!?! Mental call that one, he's been garbage bar one game
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Heaslip must be token nod to Amlin, complete joke.
Wood & Robshaw over Croft & Lydiate surely, both superior players by a mile
Wood & Robshaw over Croft & Lydiate surely, both superior players by a mile
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Pitua does not play 13 so bad call. Decent pack maybe replace tiny as he has had his day and barcella been poor until crocked again.
Apart from that good side
Apart from that good side
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Who would people see as a better option in these positions;
12. Scott Williams , Luke Marshall , James O'Connor
13. Charles Pitau , Francis Sailia , George Lowe
Adam Ashley - Cooper i know is rated hence why he's not there.
I'v got my eyes on a few players from both within this league and outside.
12. Scott Williams , Luke Marshall , James O'Connor
13. Charles Pitau , Francis Sailia , George Lowe
Adam Ashley - Cooper i know is rated hence why he's not there.
I'v got my eyes on a few players from both within this league and outside.
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Saili can play 12 and play well. Think he is potential ab.
Marshall looked good
For Ireland but needs to be regular first choice for ulster
For
Me saili or Marshall at 12 AAC 13.
JOC defends dreadfully at 12 and with flood you would get targetted
Marshall looked good
For Ireland but needs to be regular first choice for ulster
For
Me saili or Marshall at 12 AAC 13.
JOC defends dreadfully at 12 and with flood you would get targetted
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Does anyone have Madagan? If not I think he could be my first transfer target.
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Kahui injured his shoulder again, possibly out for season:
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/more-shoulder-problems-for-chiefs-kahui/tabid/91/newsid/105607/default.aspx
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/more-shoulder-problems-for-chiefs-kahui/tabid/91/newsid/105607/default.aspx
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Been looking at Le Roux quite seriously. Could be my Nacewa replacement.
Lions day!
Lot of nervous English blokes woke up this morning.
Lions day!
Lot of nervous English blokes woke up this morning.
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Theres a few I am considering. Madigan is one. Le Roux possibly another.
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Stevens lol. Got dessroyed by Sheridan last week.
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Tbf Stevens has played out of his skin lately.
Lydiate is a awful call.
No Wilko , Robshaw , Best , Wood.
Lydiate is a awful call.
No Wilko , Robshaw , Best , Wood.
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Yeh Mako deserves it.
Wood and Best are the biggest surprises to be missing out.
When do they name stand bys?
Wood and Best are the biggest surprises to be missing out.
When do they name stand bys?
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They don't officially i think.
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Matt flipping Stevens?! Going to provide the party essentials I guess...
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I have an suspicion about this squad. The first injury to a back will see JW flown out. Gatland wants squad to fly out together and won't go back on his word, but two 10's is ridiculous, espcially when there is no Laidlaw who at least has experience as an international 10.
Wood a shocking call. Best and Robshaw surprises.
Wood a shocking call. Best and Robshaw surprises.
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I was surprised there was no Laidlaw or Hook, or even Madigan tbh.
No Lions bolter is sad as well
No Lions bolter is sad as well
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Stevens is about a much of a bolter as can be imagined! 5 England front row forwards!
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Quite intrigued to see the England squad for Argentina now. Need to look at some new hookers obviously, will see Paice guarantee to go almost for experience. Excited to see who might get a chance to put a hand up for a shirt.
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I like the 2nd rows picked. Perhaps would have taken Hines or Hamilton.
Can't fathom the Lydiate selection apart from he being a Gatland favourite. He is slower than Robshaw!
Can't fathom the Lydiate selection apart from he being a Gatland favourite. He is slower than Robshaw!
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