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POS	Aviva Premiership	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Leicester Tigers	21	17	1	3	542	460	+82	60	43	1	3	74
2	Harlequins	21	15	0	6	550	499	+51	60	50	3	5	68
3	Gloucester	21	14	0	7	546	488	+58	63	50	4	5	65
4	Newcastle Falcons	21	13	1	7	530	485	+45	56	45	1	7	62
5	Sale Sharks	21	12	0	9	536	508	+28	58	52	2	9	59
6	London Irish	21	11	0	10	532	517	+15	57	52	3	9	56
7	Northampton Saints	21	11	1	9	526	511	+15	55	53	2	8	56
8	London Welsh	21	9	3	9	495	484	+11	53	48	0	9	51
9	Bath Rugby	21	9	0	12	487	519	-32	46	56	0	8	44
10	Saracens	21	5	1	15	437	528	-91	39	57	0	7	29
11	Worcester Warriors	21	3	1	17	452	516	-64	39	57	1	11	26
12	London Wasps	21	3	0	18	419	537	-118	37	60	0	13	25

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.

Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.

Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million

If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Apr 2013, 4:55 pm

why does playing in lots of positions make May good positionally?

by dammit_chris Sun 21 Apr 2013, 5:03 pm

With May I think it helped him understand the reading of the game, and gets him into the right places, especially in defence. But then again most wings who played a fair bit at fb early on get that.

Would like to see May and Wade get a chance, but probably not in the same team. I'd also like to see Foden back involved, I know he's in my team etc, but I still think he's our best fb and he's played pretty well last 2-3 games.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Apr 2013, 5:04 pm

He might get in the right place but he can't tackle!

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Apr 2013, 5:04 pm

Mays handful of games at centre make little difference to his defence imo

by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 5:30 pm

If
You play full back Etc you learn the game better and have a better understanding of the game.

Deans agrees with this re folau also http://m.news24.com/sport24/Rugby/Super15/Deans-impressed-by-Folau-20130420

It's also why they stated Johnny wilko at centre originally.

by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 5:34 pm

Interesting article on may here http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/apr/19/gloucester-rugby-jonny-may

by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 5:37 pm

Bath vs Leicester was tremendous just finished it. Ap at its best. That was some piece of work from youngs for that try.

His kicking was dreadful but when you can do that it makes up for it. Sublime bit of play.

Louw was good and how much of
A monster was David Wilson in the scrum. Did not expect bath to dominate the scrum

by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 5:40 pm

Apparently Suarez has bitten someone in the football. He makes
Headlines that lad

by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Apr 2013, 5:44 pm

No idea what goes through his head. His brain must be a psychiatrists wet dream!

by dammit_chris Sun 21 Apr 2013, 5:45 pm

Yeah Suarez took a little nibble at Ivanovic I think - in rugby you'd get a year ban, in football I reckon he'll play again before the end of the season.

All the diving and swearing at the ref these days is disgraceful. And to think most make more money than a rugby player in two weeks than a rugby player will a season!

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Apr 2013, 5:59 pm

Wilkinson was great one on one but not a good defensive 12.

May needs to play a few more positions if this helps your defense

by Fluxy Sun 21 Apr 2013, 10:32 pm

Just to warn you all next few weeks might see me limited in time as I finish off my dissertation and do my last few assignments. Should get team in, and might be around to take my mind off the tedious work!

by LukeLovesLuka Mon 22 Apr 2013, 10:15 am

I'll take top spot as my bday present from you lot cider

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 22 Apr 2013, 10:32 am

Well Falcons have signed their kicking 10.....Phil Godman.

Fraser McKenzie any good Steve?

by Steven_Sharks Mon 22 Apr 2013, 11:44 am

I rate him Pooly. Was in Scotland squad before he got injured.

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 22 Apr 2013, 12:46 pm

Thank god for that, not too happy about Godman but he'll do.

Macleod has been outstanding for us, is he a lump or more athletic?

by Steven_Sharks Mon 22 Apr 2013, 12:50 pm

he is more an enforcer really.

I'd happily have him at Sale next season. I'd be surprised if you weren't happy with him as he won't demand huge wages

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 22 Apr 2013, 12:55 pm

Pretty happy then Steve. Macleod is a cracking 5, much better than Hudson but he's a little lightweight. Del Fava is quality but misses quite a few games.

Decent pack we've got now tbh

by stnick88 Mon 22 Apr 2013, 1:01 pm

Whats your first choice pack Pooly?

by LukeLovesLuka Mon 22 Apr 2013, 1:04 pm

Leinster replace Nacewa with Kirchener.

And Henson off to Bath....

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 22 Apr 2013, 1:42 pm

We've got a decent 1st choice Nick, backup is as good really which will help us. On paper it's still a bottom half pack without doubt.

1. Golding - Shiells
2. Lawson - Thompson/Vickers
3. Brookes - Tomas
4. Del Fava - McKenzie
5. Macleod - ?
6. Welch - Wilson - ?
7. Saull - Welsh - Robinson
8. Hogg - York

Couple more to come in I reckon

by Guest Mon 22 Apr 2013, 1:45 pm

LukeLovesLuka wrote:Leinster replace Nacewa with Kirchener.

And Henson off to Bath....

Sa fans will be happy they cannot stand Kirchner

by stnick88 Mon 22 Apr 2013, 2:06 pm

Remember when a lot of people were calling for Golding to be in the England squad!

by Fluxy Mon 22 Apr 2013, 2:27 pm

Was a solid LH nick. Much like Wood of glos

by prop_lyd Mon 22 Apr 2013, 2:28 pm

J.p off to Japan

by stnick88 Mon 22 Apr 2013, 2:43 pm

wouldnt of said he was ever as good as Wood.

It was when Hayman was awesome, so Falcons scrum was strong making Golding look better. He is a solid prop but never England quality.

by Driver Mon 22 Apr 2013, 3:30 pm

Wilson was LH when Hayman was at Falcobs, Golding had the worrk ethic of a back rower and give out a lot of stuffings. Remember him taking Castro to cleabers a while back.

Happy with Godman, good player and was 10 when Blair was 1st choice for jocks

by stnick88 Mon 22 Apr 2013, 3:33 pm

Golding and Hayman definitely played together at Falcons. For a season at least.

I have to admit I was one who wanted him in the England squad when Sheridan was injured!

by prop_lyd Mon 22 Apr 2013, 4:08 pm

If anyone wants a laugh watch the video!!
http://www.wru.co.uk/eng/club/swalecleagues/26553.php#.UXVR8rU3upI

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 22 Apr 2013, 4:19 pm

Golding looked better with Hayman, he got injured and has struggled a bit since. He was a top prop but prob not England class really. His tackle stats are fantastic though, not many better.

I don't think Nick Wood is that great either, just a solid AP prop. He's too small for Int.

by stnick88 Mon 22 Apr 2013, 4:22 pm

Agree Pooly Wood isn't international class, definitely not in the same league as Corbs and Mako. But is a top AP prop like Mullan.

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 22 Apr 2013, 4:22 pm

No def not in that class, Mullen could still be a better prop, the move to Wasps will be the making of him I reckon.

by stnick88 Mon 22 Apr 2013, 4:46 pm

yeh could well do.

interested to see how wasps get on next year.

losing jones and vunipola is a blow. Goode and Mullan are good signings but not sure if Goode can take Wasps to the next level. Rhys Thomas is leaving too wonder if Lindsay will be regular starter now.

On paper Wasps pack is decent but they seem to be really struggling of late.

by Guest Mon 22 Apr 2013, 4:46 pm

To be fair to nick wood he has been nominated for ap player of the year twice and is a solid scrummager and great around the park.

He deserved an England cap a few years ago but that chance has gone.

Consistently one of the best props in the league and miles better than golding.

Mullan has potential to be good but is not as good as wood currently and has no history of being better than wood.

Wood has been there bought the tshirt. Mullan has hinted at it but generally been injured and not delivered on his promise.

I really like Mullan and think he has potential to be Around England set up. However he has never done it over long enough period so is kind of an unfulfilled talent. Wasps may well be the making of him

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 22 Apr 2013, 6:24 pm

I think Mullen should be better than Wood, Wood is just a solid AP prop.

by Steven_Sharks Mon 22 Apr 2013, 7:27 pm

Not sure we can be calling Mako a international class prop quite yet

by Fluxy Mon 22 Apr 2013, 8:29 pm

Mako is still developing, but shown in the past few weeks that he cracking around the park for someone his size. Just needs to work on the set piece.

by Guest Mon 22 Apr 2013, 9:14 pm

Mako has come on more than I expected. I still
Think marler will come out the other side as a top international he is just in a rough patch. Great options moving forward.

Wood is probably the best prop to not get a full England cap. Very highly thought of by fellow pro's hence all nominations from them.

When you think of all the caps victor ubogu etc got it shows how bad our props used to be.we have been good for front row the last 10-15 years. An area of strength in English rugby traditionally

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 22 Apr 2013, 9:31 pm

Wood is too small for Int rugby, just a good AP prop like Golding etc.

I think Mako looks the better prospect than Marler, set piece is arguably better now and his work around the park is fantastic. Just needs fitness.

I'm not really seeing much in Marler tbh

by Guest Mon 22 Apr 2013, 9:49 pm

If you think how many England squads wood has been in or as cover to not get a cap its crazy.

He was even in the squad before the latest win over nz as cover.

He must get so frustrated

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 22 Apr 2013, 9:53 pm

To see Tim Payne picked ahead of you must be the worst

by Fluxy Mon 22 Apr 2013, 9:55 pm

John Barclay has gone to Scarlets

by Guest Mon 22 Apr 2013, 10:17 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:To see Tim Payne picked ahead of you must be the worst

Tim Payne was a lion on the last tour. Very underrated player. Had some great scrummaging games for England. Not the most mobile but did a job many a time for club and country

by Guest Mon 22 Apr 2013, 10:18 pm

Definitely not lions quality though meant to add

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 22 Apr 2013, 10:27 pm

Can't recall Payne playing for the Lions, awful player. Worst Lion ever!!

by dammit_chris Mon 22 Apr 2013, 10:35 pm

Payne got called up after Sheridan got injured in 2009 - don't think he got a cap, he was always a decent enough scrummager, but was a penalty machine and a half. Just flopped onto any ruck, and tried to bring down every maul.

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 22 Apr 2013, 10:51 pm

Soooo bad in the loose, Mullen is a serious step up

by Guest Tue 23 Apr 2013, 7:31 am

Payne definitely played on the lions tour I was at the game in Cape Town. It was a midweek game with rain lashing down vs emerging springboks.

Not sure if he was on the bench for 3rd test which we won either.

There have been plenty worse lions than Payne .

Peter wright the Scottish prop the stand out dreadful one for me. Could play both sides terribly.

Somebody actually started a campaign to raise money to fly him home early as a joke and it actually got a lot of donations.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 23 Apr 2013, 8:19 am

At least he's not a proper Lion then, makes it a bit easier to take

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 23 Apr 2013, 8:22 am

He didn't make the bench in the 3rd, John Hayes was

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